World of Tanks creative director fired for publicly supporting Russian invasion

[kiwigraeme]

For those of us who roam around leftists circles I can confirm: the parade of tankies (For the uninitiated, Salinist USSR supporters, to a fault) supporting Putin is almost as long as the 65km convoy invading Ukraine the last couple days.

Here's a newsflash for both regular people and "leftists" that always refuse to listen to anarchists: You can oppose both US/NATO Imperialism AND Russian Imperialism at the same time. Is almost like the problem is these mega powerful States regardless of prior and current economical characteristics or religious bent.

I upvoted this - Europe and America - have been very imperialistic in the 20th century, imposing /interfering/meddling/killing - exerting economic domination ( eg read about the carve up of South America ). As specifically NATO imperialism - yeah probably an overreach - as it's a peaceful defense umbrella - with no land grabs like Russia is doing .
However my upvote was based on the idea - that things are not binary - you are either this or that as well .
Not all European countries have raped developing countries - most of the big ones have

 

[Axle Grease]

People are getting harmed though. It takes a special kind of evil I wouldn't want to work with either to say those things. That's the beauty of freedom of speech, you can say what you want, just be prepared to be accountable for what you said. Freedom of speech isn't a free pass to say bomb on a plane for instance. Actually you can say it, go and try it, see what happens.

Your understanding of freedom of speech is piss poor. Freedom of speech doesn't encompass speech that incites violence nor endangers others. Causing a panic on a plane does exactly that, which I would've thought was patently obvious.

 

[Puiu]

He's very very wrong, but he should not have been fired for expressing a view even if it is a morally repugnant one. No one got harmed.

Wrong, people do get harmed, not just physically by the war, but also psychologically from the affects of the war AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT IT.

How is a company who employs Ukrainians supposed to react? That one single employee would completely damage the reputation of the company (with customers, sponsors and other employees).

 

[Faelan]

I support the Russian invasion of the Ukraine because I believe that the behavior of my own country is contrary to basic American values and has created a Neo-Nazi nation in the Ukraine.

That has got to be the biggest load of garbage I’ve seen on the Internet today.

Let me guess… you also believe the earth is flat, right?

 

[QuantumPhysics]

I support the Russian invasion of the Ukraine because I believe that the behavior of my own country is contrary to basic American values and has created a Neo-Nazi nation in the Ukraine.

From the very start, we should not have aided the violent overthrow of the democratically-elected government in the Ukraine in 2014. If we support democracy as a form of government, which is a basic American value, there is no room for contrary behavior where there was no actual threat or military conflict with us and a democratically-elected government.

Further, we should not have supported nor continue to support Neo-Nazis. We have directly and indirectly supplied weapons to the Azov battalion and other Neo-Nazi military groups in the Ukraine. We have turned a blind eye to public parades in the Ukraine which have included hundreds of actual former Nazis from World War II who wore their Nazi uniforms during those parades. Our support of the Ukrainian government effectively supports a major political party in the Ukraine, the "Right Sector," which espouses Neo-Nazi ideology.

Our U.S. support for this Neo-Nazi nation has resulted in several thousands of deaths and mass burials of ethnic Russian citizens of the Ukraine. Early on, the ethnic Russians in the breakaway republics effectively defended themselves against two major offenses by the Neo-Nazis and surrounded them. That resulted in the Minsk agreements brokered by Russia, France and Germany and allowed the Neo-Nazis to live. Since then--eight years since then--the Minsk agreements have never been fulfilled, and France and Germany have never done anything about it, and yet they now complain about Russia's actions instead of taking responsibility for their own inaction.

Instead of supporting the Minsk agreements, the U.S. has repeatedly pumped weapons into the hands of the Neo-Nazis and effectively supported the continued sporadic shelling and murders of ethnic Russians. Very recently, the $200 million dollars of military equipment that the U.S. supplied to the Ukraine again resulted in the shelling of ethnic Russian civilians. Russia finally acted to protect ethnic Russian civilians in the only way it could.

If my own country can't find and live up to its American values, I honor Russia for doing what needs to be done. I honor Russia for living up to my values as an American.

Your comment is flawless.

I will copy paste it

 

[Axle Grease]

Wrong, people do get harmed, not just physically by the war, but also psychologically from the affects of the war AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT IT.

How is a company who employs Ukrainians supposed to react? That one single employee would completely damage the reputation of the company (with customers, sponsors and other employees).

The war may psychology affect people and those who support it. Spouting crap in support of Putin's war doesn't. It will offend people, but it does not psychology harm them unless they are mentally unstable to begin with.

How is a company who employs Ukrainians supposed to react? Why should a company react at all? It's the Ukrainians that would take offense, not the company. So the question should be - What does a Ukrainian do if offended by Burkatovskiy? Either nothing because he's a joke. Laugh at him, or ridicule him. Or, offer a rebuttal if you think he's worth the time and effort. And no, he wouldn't damage the reputation of his employer. Anyone with even just half a brain knows that Burkatovskiy speaks for himself. However, for the benefit of those with less than half a brain (e.g., those aligned with the cancel culture mob), his employer can simply issue a statement disassociating itself from Burkatovskiy's remarks. No harm done. No one gets fired. Burkatovskiy humiliates himself. Fin.

 

[Puiu]

The war may psychology affect people and those who support it. Spouting crap in support of Putin's war doesn't. It will offend people, but it does not psychology harm them unless they are mentally unstable to begin with.

How is a company who employs Ukrainians supposed to react? Why should a company react at all? It's the Ukrainians that would take offense, not the company. So the question should be - What does a Ukrainian do if offended by Burkatovskiy? Either nothing because he's a joke. Laugh at him, or ridicule him. Or, offer a rebuttal if you think he's worth the time and effort. And no, he wouldn't damage the reputation of his employer. Anyone with even just half a brain knows that Burkatovskiy speaks for himself. However, for the benefit of those with less than half a brain (e.g., those aligned with the cancel culture mob), his employer can simply issue a statement disassociating itself from Burkatovskiy's remarks. No harm done. No one gets fired. Burkatovskiy humiliates himself. Fin.

You are so wrong on this topic that it hurts.

 

[captaincranky]

Not all European countries have raped developing countries - most of the big ones have

Well, you know what they used to say, "the sun never sets on the British Empire".

Sorry for mentioning that, but I was patriotically bound to do so. As you've probably noticed, I often refer to myself as living in "The Colonies", particularly when engaging with my valued ANZAC brethren.

We got ourselves another Russian Trollski ( sorry I know that is Polish )
Most of the educated Russians are not buying those lies - you can even show proof of your ethnic cleaning,

Ya think? I've been pondering whether or not FSB wannabes have infested this forum. I doubt they're its actual operatives, since Techspot doesn't have anywhere the scope of influence of "FaceBunk". TS most likely isn't worth their time. But, then again?

For your listening pleasure presantamos Al Stewart, prog/folk rocker/ historian from the 70's, with his take on India's breakaway from the empire (Churchill rants, Mountbatten supplicates)

 

[captaincranky]

When they failed to push the Russian collusion lie in order to oust Trump they teamed up with Big Tech to try and steal the election (and most likely succeeded).

Are we back on this fantasy, "stolen election", thing again? It's oxymoronic to imagine you get get the truth out of a pathological liar such as Trump.

Trump only backed away from kissing Putin's a**, after he realized he couldn't build "Trump Tower Moscow" while in office, He can't now, since he's a pariah here, and the Russian banks from which he'd beg for the loans are closed. Oops.

 

[captaincranky]

Here's a newsflash for both regular people and "leftists" that always refuse to listen to anarchists: You can oppose both US/NATO Imperialism AND Russian Imperialism at the same time. Is almost like the problem is these mega powerful States regardless of prior and current economical characteristics or religious bent.

Well sure, if there were actually any "NATO imperialism", going on, we'd oppose it.

 

[Bobbydpue]

He's very very wrong, but he should not have been fired for expressing a view even if it is a morally repugnant one. No one got harmed.

He represents the company, though. I wouldn't keep a guy on my team if he supported Nazi groups.

 

[Axle Grease]

You are so wrong on this topic that it hurts.

Stellar argument, man. Just stellar!

 

[Axle Grease]

He represents the company, though. I wouldn't keep a guy on my team if he supported Nazi groups.

He's not representing the company. He's speaking for himself. You don't represent your company with the content you write on this forum or any other forum. The legion of social media twits don't represent whoever employs them when they pollute the net with inane drivel. None of us are speaking on behalf of our employer.

 

[Puiu]

Stellar argument, man. Just stellar!

And yet I'm not wrong. I just said the truth. I already explained once, I won't repeat myself just because you have a different opinion from what everybody else has here.

But since you insist, here let me show you just how wrong you are again:

FYI everything you do in your personal life can and will be used against you including for getting fired by the company you work for. He wasn't arguing about whether there should be apples instead of bananas for lunch, it's a serious matter that affects everybody in that company.

Just like him, I'm risking of never working with russians and their allies because of my public opinions. This could mean fewer job opportunities and fewer clients for my current workplace.

 

[captaincranky]

He's not representing the company. He's speaking for himself.

News Flash....When you're the president of a company, you tacitly surrender the right to, "speak for yourself". The company line, becomes, "the party line", and its leader needs to "toe it", period.

Not to mention the fact that he should have had the to common sense to keep his opinions to himself, on a "hot button issue", with this much gravitas..

Next you'be telling us that after he announced his feelings on the world stage, ,that his "privacy was violated"

 

[GamerNerves]

Why everybody should be forced to hold a single opinion? The west has a serious issue of forcing opinions on others. This is not constructive and will certainly not solve the war situation. Maybe if we could perhaps view this war from both sides, then peace would be attainable sooner. Is peace even a goal when people take sides?

 

[Squid Surprise]

Why everybody should be forced to hold a single opinion? The west has a serious issue of forcing opinions on others. This is not constructive and will certainly not solve the war situation. Maybe if we could perhaps view this war from both sides, then peace would be attainable sooner. Is peace even a goal when people take sides?

You can have any opinion you want... but when you have a position of responsibility, you cannot EXPRESS an opinion contrary to the organization you represent!

 

[gamerk2]

He's very very wrong, but he should not have been fired for expressing a view even if it is a morally repugnant one. No one got harmed.

That's not how it works when you are an employee of a corporation. You can be fired for publicly stating any views which can bring embarrassment to said corporation. That's been par for the course for a *very* long time now.

 

[gamerk2]

My USA, NY media is blanketed with anti-Putin propaganda and I have yet to hear his reasoning or his side.

Putins side is quite simple: "We must liberate the Russian speaking people living in Ukraine"

The media won't talk about the coup in 2014 in Ukraine nor will they talk about NATO threatening of the Russian borders anymore than they'll talk about what America is doing in Venezuela to Maduro's government with Guaido.

Lets go through those 1 at a time, shall we?

1: The 2014 coup happened because the Ukrainian populace was sick and tired of dealing with what was essentially a "Democracy in name only".

2: Negotiations between Ukraine and NATO are none of the business of Russia. And the reason countries like the Ukraine and the Baltics are looking to join NATO are specifically because of continued Russian aggression (see: Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, etc.)

3: Are you *really* going to stand on the Venezuela hill? Or are you conveniently *forgetting* how Maduro banned pretty much all opposition parties from running in the 2018 election?

 

[gamerk2]

For those of us who roam around leftists circles I can confirm: the parade of tankies (For the uninitiated, Salinist USSR supporters, to a fault) supporting Putin is almost as long as the 65km convoy invading Ukraine the last couple days.

Ironic, since I haven't heard from a single liberal who's supported Putin's actions. At most, it's the much more reasonable "we shouldn't be getting involved".

 

[Puiu]

Why everybody should be forced to hold a single opinion? The west has a serious issue of forcing opinions on others. This is not constructive and will certainly not solve the war situation. Maybe if we could perhaps view this war from both sides, then peace would be attainable sooner. Is peace even a goal when people take sides?

Nobody is forced to hold any opinion, but if you want to voice it then you have own up to the consequences.

I live in Romania, do you even know how many Ukrainians are taking refuge here now? Even in the capital, Bucharest, which is far from the northern border with Ukraine.

What russia is doing now is similar to nazi germany, this is a fact, not an opinion.

 

[Puiu]

I upvoted this - Europe and America - have been very imperialistic in the 20th century, imposing /interfering/meddling/killing - exerting economic domination ( eg read about the carve up of South America ). As specifically NATO imperialism - yeah probably an overreach - as it's a peaceful defense umbrella - with no land grabs like Russia is doing .
However my upvote was based on the idea - that things are not binary - you are either this or that as well .
Not all European countries have raped developing countries - most of the big ones have

Russia didn't rape developing countries, they just trampled them, destroyed everything they had and pissed on their graves. There is a good reason why countries that are "allied" with russia or are under russia's influence are and will always be the poorest countries in the world.

As for the "NATO imperialism" comment, it's so ironic hearing you say this when it is russia acting like it is an "empire" right now. Sorry to burst your bubble but the USSR is gone no matter how much you don't want to admit it. All that's left is a country so poor and corrupt that they stopped trying to hide their corruption a long time ago.

 

[Dimitriid]

Ironic, since I haven't heard from a single liberal who's supported Putin's actions. At most, it's the much more reasonable "we shouldn't be getting involved".

Liberals are good at just following the DNC line and whatever the Biden admin says that's where they align.

It's mostly the GOP types and some of the authoritarian left (Marxist-Leninists of various types) that have started to lean heavily towards Putin's side of the coin. This is what many quickly call "Leftist in-fighting" but I always maintain that I do not consider Red Fascists part of "the left" just because they use Marxist language to perpetuate structural oppression and States, which ironically enough Putin's Russia is not even linked at all other than historically since it's not even just State Capitalism it's just a Capitalist nation with lots of weapons, just like the US.

 

[Squid Surprise]

...which ironically enough Putin's Russia is not even linked at all other than historically since it's not even just State Capitalism it's just a Capitalist nation with lots of weapons, just like the US.

Putin's Russia - like all previous "Russias", is simply a dictatorship. Over the centuries, Russia's (or the USSR's) leaders have used different "excuses" for their rule (Monarchy, Communism, President, Premier, etc)... but the actual system has remained the same.

 

[gamerk2]

Putin's Russia - like all previous "Russias", is simply a dictatorship. Over the centuries, Russia's (or the USSR's) leaders have used different "excuses" for their rule (Monarchy, Communism, President, Premier, etc)... but the actual system has remained the same.

Pretty much this; Russia has always been ruled by strongmen. The justification for rule might change, but the system remains the same.