2016's $400 GPU vs. 2019's $400 GPUs: GTX 1070 vs. RTX 2060 Super vs. Radeon 5700 XT

loki1944

TS Maniac
Maybe I'm a bit confused, but to my knowledge the GTX 1070 was never just "50 to 60% faster than the GTX 770 4GB". That title would have gone to the GTX 970. As far as my memory serves me, the GTX 770 was roughly equivalent to a GTX 960 or GTX 1050 ti. Whereas the GTX 1070 was around the performance of a stock GTX 980 ti - easily double the performance of a GTX 770. I'm not sure where the numbers on this one came from, but I have to respectfully disagree with you guys here. Value went from a near doubling of performance per dollar from Maxwell to Pascal, to almost regression and certainly stagnation in the value of a new Nvidia GPU.
Spot on. My 2080Ti's performance vs my 1080Ti is underwhelming to say the least vs my 1080Ti upgrade from 980Ti and 980Ti from 780Ti. Definitely the poorest showing in the past 6 years.
 

krizby

TS Addict
Spot on. My 2080Ti's performance vs my 1080Ti is underwhelming to say the least vs my 1080Ti upgrade from 980Ti and 980Ti from 780Ti. Definitely the poorest showing in the past 6 years.
Really depends on what you are looking at, rasterization performance 2080Ti is only 40% faster but for Ray Tracing 2080 Ti is easily over twice as fast as 1080 Ti. 2080 Ti even get higher fps with RTX on than 1080 Ti with RTX off.



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Contact

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This seems a little biased in favor of AMD. The 2060 super is repeatedly looked down on because it is "only" 35% faster then the 1070, while the 5700xt is 48% faster and gets the authors praises.

The 5700xt is shows as a better example of 3 years of progress. This ignores that the 2060 super is built on a 1.5 year old arch, not a 6 month arch like the 5700xt. The 2060 super is evidence of how far the arch came in 2 years, not 3 and a half years. If the author had doen this comparison in june, AMD would have been in a far worse place, as all they had were Poor Vega cards (which I use in my system).

Just seems a little slanted to me.
Following your logic; if this article had been written 5 years ago it would be comparing different architectures and if it had been written 10 years ago it would be different still... it's been written now so what is your point exactly?
 

Robertrogue

TS Booster
That's great your AMD has less 'quirks'.
The RTX is the better buy for the same price.


I actually liked the Radeon VII, but to make up for all its shortcomings AMD needed to price it about $50-$100 cheaper, this was also stated by many reviewers who tested it , and that's why it flopped.


Unfortunately , AMD's reputation for having more issues, less polish and an inferior overall package is true, and that's why you have the Steam results and discrete market GPU share you have today at every price point. It's been pretty common knowledge for the better part of 10 years. Are things different lately? Is it a much closer comparison then it used to be?
Perhaps.
I need to get back into gaming myself, look into online forums with various builds like overclock.net and see if things are starting to change. As we speak right now, its still a 75/25 discrete GPU domination, and about 80-90% of Steam users have Nvidia GPU's, at every price point.

I don't care who you are, what build you have, or what you think is correct.
If you truthfully believe AMD's GPU's have been as good, with the same amount of issues or similar, with comparable features/stability, why in the world are they getting COMPLETELY OWNED? Because [them being as good] that's not true, or at the least, it hasn't been true for a LONG TIME.
If things change, great.
But until they actually and truthfully do, you WILL NOT SEE a change in discrete GPU share or Steam results. Nothing I say or anyone else says in the comments is going to change what is, and what has been for a long time.
Not saying change is not in the air or that it won't happen, but for now, until I see otherwise, 80% market share and 90% of steam users at all pricing layers ENDS ALL ARGUMENTS, THE END.
Good point on the 75/25 market share, but AMD years ago did make some mistakes and over compensated for lack of progress in the market. The CEO made serious miscalculations and underachieved. Then AMD decided to do what Intel and Nividia did and changed their scope to go after the console line. Now with great improvements and more stable drivers, they are looking at a drastic change in the console market. This will send the message to the gamers that buy discreet cards for the home machines to consider the AMD over the Nvidia. My guess is if all goes well, we will see a shift to a 60/40 in the next 4 years to even a 75/25 shift in 10 years to AMD in the discreet market, unless Nvidia changes their market strategy to show a more stable product that withstands 4-5 years of stable improvements as AMD seems to do with their products. I am just glad the pricing is coming out of the mining craze finally so I can build me a new rig next year. My rig is FX/R9 heavy with ddr3 and it is way past its usefulness in gaming.
 

JimboJoneson

TS Booster
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I don't care who you are, what build you have, or what you think is correct.
If you truthfully believe AMD's GPU's have been as good, with the same amount of issues or similar, with comparable features/stability, why in the world are they getting COMPLETELY OWNED? Because [them being as good] that's not true, or at the least, it hasn't been true for a LONG TIME.
If things change, great.
But until they actually and truthfully do, you WILL NOT SEE a change in discrete GPU share or Steam results. Nothing I say or anyone else says in the comments is going to change what is, and what has been for a long time.
Not saying change is not in the air or that it won't happen, but for now, until I see otherwise, 80% market share and 90% of steam users at all pricing layers ENDS ALL ARGUMENTS, THE END.
When all you have to make your point is useless unverified rhetoric to support fanboi alignments ... this is what happens folks, not one piece of evidence or even an anecdote, just rhetoric. Don't let that happen to you.

Look kid, I don't make my purchasing decisions around what "other people" might be doing or how much money some company makes (could be just a value for how much they like to rip off their consumers). I don't make purchasing decisions on some rhetoric I "heard", or that I wanted to believe. While this might work for amateurs, like yourself perhaps, it doesn't work for people who actually guide their life with their critical thinking abilities.

I have never had a single problem with any of the AMD products I have ever owned, nor do I know anyone that has. This is reality, not a "steam survey" (lol ... steam survey (double facepalm)), not some rhetoric some fanboi whipped up, this is facts based on reality, not some, "I heard from my dogs, brother's owner's friend that AMD products aren't good" BS - which is all you seem to be able to come up with ... not surprising.

AMD cards right now perform better for the same price, or cost less for the same performance, by a margin that does make a difference. Full stop.

How you choose to evaluate things and make buying decisions is your prerogative, but do note that it only says things about you, and says nothing about anyone else and their decisions. Try not to make yourself look so bad, its not nice, you deserve better from yourself.
 
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JimboJoneson

TS Booster
Nvidia drivers do not include any sort of OC features or monitoring which is a shame because even for regular people adjusting the fan curve and knowing temps is helpful.
Wow ... AMD has had all that for almost a decade built into their driver utilities ... really? NVidia gives you no hardware tuning tools at all? ... I find that hard to believe ...

I'm also quite convinced that 99% of the stooges who keep going on about how AMD drivers and "ecosystem" are riddled with bugs, probably never actually owned an AMD gpu and they are just regurgitating something that aligned with their emotions.

I've never had a single issue with any of my AMD products ... and I've been doing this for a while. My first CPU was a Thunderbird 1000. I'm sure most people on this forum don't even have a clue what that is, lol.
 
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Lew Zealand

TS Evangelist
Wow ... AMD has had all that for almost a decade built into their driver utilities ... really? NVidia gives you no hardware tuning tools at all? ... I find that hard to believe ...
Short answer is: no Nvidia doesn't.

As a GFX card noob 2.5 years ago, I bought as Nvidia 1060 as it was the best option for me at the time as the mining craze was ramping up.

Looking online about how to overclock, etc, all roads pointed to MSI Afterburner. Not a Nvidia product, and in the past 2.5 years I've not heard of a Nvidia tool that does anything like Afterburner. Perhaps it exists but I have still not come across it in my searches. Afterburner does everything I need and maybe there could be a tool out there that's easier to use but frankly AB does a great job undervolting and/or overclocking my 1050Ti, 1060 and 1080.
 

amstech

IT Overlord
I have never had a single problem with any of the AMD products I have ever owned, nor do I know anyone that has.
That's awesome.

This is reality, not a "steam survey"
The reality is that a good portion of steam users are PC gamers that, for the most part have a decent to very good understanding of gaming hardware and performance, what is more reliable and what is better, at running old, modified and new games.
This is why 90% of Steam gamers use Nvidia products, which is without question the best showing of what hardware works the best across a variety of custom systems and platforms.
Trying to say with a straight face this has no correlation to what product is better is the definition of biased brand loyalty and ignorance.

AMD cards right now perform better for the same price, or cost less for the same performance, by a margin that does make a difference.
AMD used to play the card where they acknowledged their product was not as polished and stable overall, and they did well. When they try to battle Nvidia head to head, they lose badly.
If AMD has truly righted the ship on their execution, well, that's great frickin news. But until they do, they need to price their cards cheaper to make up for the shortcomings.
Until then 75% of the discrete market share and 90% of steam users promptly and utterly stomps any garbage you choose to spew about AMD Radeons being just as good overall. They are not, and its pretty common knowledge.
It's OBVIOUSLY not just about raw performance.
75% discrete market share...these are aftermarket GPU's people purchase and put into their systems. 90% of Steam users, these are users who just game and know what they are getting.
 
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JimboJoneson

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Short answer is: no Nvidia doesn't.

As a GFX card noob 2.5 years ago, I bought as Nvidia 1060 as it was the best option for me at the time as the mining craze was ramping up.

Looking online about how to overclock, etc, all roads pointed to MSI Afterburner. Not a Nvidia product, and in the past 2.5 years I've not heard of a Nvidia tool that does anything like Afterburner. Perhaps it exists but I have still not come across it in my searches. Afterburner does everything I need and maybe there could be a tool out there that's easier to use but frankly AB does a great job undervolting and/or overclocking my 1050Ti, 1060 and 1080.
After Burner used to be RivaTuner - MSI bought it from the developer and rebranded it for themselves -- if there's any older enthusiasts like me you should remember RivaTuner.

I used to use RivaTuner back when I had an NVidia card in my main rig many moons ago ... and haven't needed it since I switched to AMD.
 

loki1944

TS Maniac
Really depends on what you are looking at, rasterization performance 2080Ti is only 40% faster but for Ray Tracing 2080 Ti is easily over twice as fast as 1080 Ti. 2080 Ti even get higher fps with RTX on than 1080 Ti with RTX off.



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Ray tracing runs like dogsh*t, and 99.999⁹% of games use it not at all. For non-gimmick gaming for me @3440x1440 the bump is miniscule in comparison to going from a 980Ti to a 1080Ti.
 

krizby

TS Addict
Ray tracing runs like dogsh*t, and 99.999⁹% of games use it not at all. For non-gimmick gaming for me @3440x1440 the bump is miniscule in comparison to going from a 980Ti to a 1080Ti.
Let overclock every card and compare shall we. 980Ti and 2080Ti have much more overclocking headroom compare to 1080 Ti so comparing stock vs stock is quite misleading

Hm, last I check the best games of 2019 such as Control, Metro Exodus and COD Modern Warfare use RTX (I finished both Control with Metro Exodus, they are really good and having RTX is really nice). BF5 and SoTR suck so yeah no dice there. Personally I'm waiting for Mech Warrior 5 and Cyberpunk 2077.

And well Ultra settings in most game don't offer noticeable visual improvement anyways, I would rather play games with High presets + High RTX.
 
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Shadowboxer

TS Maniac
Average frame rates only tell half the story. Nvidia cards are superior to AMD cards in quality, features and driver support, I’d pick the 2060 over the 5700 every single day of the weak. (Also where I live the 2060S is a bit cheaper)

My experience with AMD cards is a lot of heat, noise, poor driver support and strange issues and glitches. I say this as someone who’s been building for 20 years and have probably had slightly more Radeon cards than GeForce.

The fanboys won’t like this comment but it’s the truth.
 
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JimboJoneson

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I may have to eat a few of my words back there ... the new Radeon software suite has some issues.

The fan curve editor doesn't work properly - it keeps intermittently blasting the fans at full speed for no reason., so I had to leave that on auto.

But I guess maybe I shouldn't complain, at least there's options for GPU, VRAM and fan tuning - the ability to adjust GPU and RAM frequency, and voltages for both, for each individual boost state, etc. Streaming, full access to all controls in gaming, etc.

BTW my RX 580 hits 76C at 100% load and makes almost no noise at all. I don't what most people would call "hot" and "noisy" but for a video card, I'd say that's not it. Painting with broad general brushes of rhetoric is often used as a replacement for actual discernment.