$400 GPU King: Radeon RX 5700 XT vs. GeForce RTX 2060 Super

krizby

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Well, now that you said it Nvidia now officially has worse drivers than AMD as of today. He said it!
Yeah it's funny when some guy declare something without any proof, one quick look at the new Radeon Driver release note one can quickly realize the mess that Navi is in.



Yes Radeon driver can be better, if you are not using Navi that is, then it just shuttering everywhere lol.
Now on the release note on nvidia latest driver, 440.97



Usually when I install Nvida driver I just install the driver and PhysicX, but the recently introduced freestyle sharpening is so good that I installed GFE, had no problem so far using freestyle image sharpening in PUBG, Control and The Outer Worlds. ShadowPlay has also been flawless. Maybe I could try to stream game to my TV via GFE.

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treetops

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hmm...do I hear some animosity for simply pointing out that there are 2060Super model out there that compete neck to neck with 5700XT at stock settings ? HUB test like what ? 10 different 5700XT models and 1 2060 Super model ?
Navi is new tech, RTX reviews were done last year when they came out. They probably tested multiple models? idk. In my experience, AMD drivers are worse then Nvidia, most games work as expected. The one game I can't seem to fix is Chivalry Medieval Warfare. I've tested over 20 games just to see how they run. I have 6 months of xbox beta pc game pass etc, so I put it to use. Not to mention my steam library. Got it free with my 2600\5700. Although don't mistake me saying this is a incentive to buy AMD, the game pass doesn't even work on Windows 7. Most of the games are single player, maybe all of them? They couldn't even throw a FPS multiplayer in the mix.

Igors lab clearly shows the 2060 S gets smoked by the 5700 XT OC vs OC. AMD drivers will only get better, performance will increase. What do you expect, Nvidia refuses to lower it's prices below MSRP. They never have and probably never will.

The reason you have that new sharpening tool is because AMD RIS is open source. AMD needs to dump a bunch of money into their drivers department. /agree on that
 
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mcbrided

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Where does Steam tell you how much which GPU has sold? Right now RX 5700 offers similar performance to RTX 2060 Super and it's cheaper (about $50?), so if I was buying a new GPU I would opt for the RX 5700. Drivers and everything else matters little. Now not everyone does this, I was speaking for myself. Most people buy products without informing themselves or they just like the brand.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

It's great you inform yourself. The reality is that while amd drivers are great in many ways, they are currently running through a rough patch. Many owners of an RX 5700 XT, including myself, find it nearly unusable.

For example: https://community.amd.com/thread/243837
 

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m3tavision

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Yeah it's funny when some guy declare something without any proof, one quick look at the new Radeon Driver release note one can quickly realize the mess that Navi is in.



Yes Radeon driver can be better, if you are not using Navi that is, then it just shuttering everywhere lol.
Now on the release note on nvidia latest driver, 440.97



Usually when I install Nvida driver I just install the driver and PhysicX, but the recently introduced freestyle sharpening is so good that I installed GFE, had no problem so far using freestyle image sharpening in PUBG, Control and The Outer Worlds. ShadowPlay has also been flawless. Maybe I could try to stream game to my TV via GFE.

Edit: fixed broken image link

Awwww are you upset that People are telling you the truth..?

Again, why don't you use Videocardz.com driver page to see the driver notes for each..? You will see that you are wholly biased and have no clue that nvidia's drivers over the last year, have been crappy, compared to AMD.

And not just the drivers, but the whole experience of installing, or upgrading drivers. AMD's Adrenalin drivers a much better than the Geforce Experience drivers. Most gamers don't even use the "Geforce Experience", they manually download and install the graphic drivers. That should tell you all you need to know.


There is no arguing this, if you maintain and install drivers on both types of machines, anyone will tell you. The fact you don't know this, or trying to sell it the other way means you've never used AMD drivers and worked with them.

Nvidia has fallen to second place... and no amount of you recounting the past, will make up for today.
 
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Ravalo

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Lol if price to performance is the most important then explain how the GTX 1060 sold 10x that of RX 580 according to Steam.
There was a time when the rx 580 was impossible to find because of the cryptomining apocalypse

I personally never had much problems with my rx 560 (unless I OC’d it too hard), and managed to get a 10% OC on a mini itx version of the card.
 

m3tavision

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Steam will put out a new survey after the first of the year. I won't take it on my laptop, but use my PC instead this time.... since so many geeks think they understand steam surveys.

It is not 100% of users, not even 50% of users. But you will see a massive uptick in RDNA used gpu in Steam within the next 4 months.
 

markrb

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Lookie here we have the Palit 2060 Super JetStream that is actually faster than a 5700XT at stock settings.
Palit 2060 Super Jetstream
What is the difference between the Palit and MSI ? just the power limit, MSI has a PL of 175W while the Palit is 215W (same as Gigabyte Gaming OC model). With the way Navi and Turing are boosting their clocks, simply having higher PL increases performances a few percent. The fact remains that the 5700XT Red Devil HUB is testing has a higher PL than reference 5700XT while the MSI 2060 Super Gaming X has the same PL as reference (and only 185W maximum PL while the Palit allows for 250W maximum).
The Palit Jetstream has a boost clock of 1830Mhz vs the 1665Mhz boost clock on the MSI Super Gaming.

As per the last paragraph of the TechPowerUp review that you quoted, the Palit Jetstream is also 7.5% more expensive than the 5700 XT entry level, and thus 7.5% more expensive than a standard 2060 Super. The same price uplift on the 5700 XT gets you from the standard 1905MHz boost clock to 2010Mhz on the Sapphire Nitro, negating the parity that you think the Palit card has.

This whole discussion is a bit moot anyway, since anyone with sense in this mid-range segment is doing this:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/flashing-amd-radeon-rx-5700-with-xt-bios-performance-guide/
 
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markrb

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Awwww are you upset that People are telling you the truth..?

Again, why don't you use Videocardz.com driver page to see the driver notes for each..? You will see that you are wholly biased and have no clue that nvidia's drivers over the last year, have been crappy, compared to AMD.

And not just the drivers, but the whole experience of installing, or upgrading drivers. AMD's Adrenalin drivers a much better than the Geforce Experience drivers. Most gamers don't even use the "Geforce Experience", they manually download and install the graphic drivers. That should tell you all you need to know.


There is no arguing this, if you maintain and install drivers on both types of machines, anyone will tell you. The fact you don't know this, or trying to sell it the other way means you've never used AMD drivers and worked with them.

Nvidia has fallen to second place... and no amount of you recounting the past, will make up for today.
Agreed.

The other thing to note - when you are looking at Nvidia's commitment to their users - is that they only give a rat's behind about Windows users. Their Linux drivers have always been crummy. Famously:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/linus-torvalds-says-f-k-you-to-nvidia/

I, like many Linux users, game on both Windows and Linux, so I see more of the picture than most. Then there's Apple . . .

Apple were using Nvidia GPUs until the usual Nvidia arrogance and now Apple have banned Nvidia drivers for their hardware and only ship AMD and Intel graphics hardware. Another interesting read:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/01/18/apples-management-doesnt-want-nvidia-support-in-macos-and-thats-a-bad-sign-for-the-mac-pro

So, as soon as you stop looking at Windoze, in isolation, you really see how crappy Nvidia's software support and partner relationships really are.
 
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krizby

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The Palit Jetstream has a boost clock of 1830Mhz vs the 1665Mhz boost clock on the MSI Super Gaming.

As per the last paragraph of the TechPowerUp review that you quoted, the Palit Jetstream is also 7.5% more expensive than the 5700 XT entry level, and thus 7.5% more expensive than a standard 2060 Super. The same price uplift on the 5700 XT gets you from the standard 1905MHz boost clock to 2010Mhz on the Sapphire Nitro, negating the parity that you think the Palit card has.

This whole discussion is a bit moot anyway, since anyone with sense in this mid-range segment is doing this:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/flashing-amd-radeon-rx-5700-with-xt-bios-performance-guide/
Yeah I figured almost everyone who bought the 5700 would be doing the bios flash, that why there is no entry for the 5700 in the October Steam Hardware Survey, while the 5700XT get the same percentage as the 2060 Super (0.16%).
So yeah 5700 + 5700XT get the same sales as the 2060S alone. Though that is not a bad place to be for AMD.

The Nitro is barely 3% faster than the stock 5700XT, that makes it 2% faster than the Palit 2060S Jetstream ?



As for me though I would just buy the cheapest 2060S there is, flash it with the highest PL bios (Gigabyte Gaming OC version with 300W PL) then do some overclocking which beats any reviewer's overclocked results anyways.
 
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m3tavision

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Yeah I figured almost everyone who bought the 5700 would be doing the bios flash, that why there is no entry for the 5700 in the October Steam Hardware Survey, while the 5700XT get the same percentage as the 2060 Super (0.16%).
So yeah 5700 + 5700XT get the same sales as the 2060S alone. Though that is not a bad place to be for AMD.

The Nitro is barely 3% faster than the stock 5700XT, that makes it 2% faster than the Palit 2060S Jetstream ?



As for me though I would just buy the cheapest 2060S there is, flash it with the highest PL bios (Gigabyte Gaming OC version with 300W PL) then do some overclocking which beats any reviewer's overclocked results anyways.

Cheapest 2060 SUPER is $534
Cheapest 5700xt is $524
Cheapest 5700 is $289
 

Rsndetre

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I should right now go and pick a discounted RX 5700 XT that I have ordered and arrived.
But I'm not going to do that.

I was in doubt and looking for recent reviews and so I got here. Half of the people here are just fanboys that can't put forward arguments that will convince someone to buy. Not when contradicting most of the reviews out there.

My opinion after spending days on the subject:
1. Drivers are bad.
2. Some games still have issues.
3. Runs hot and loud unless you buy a top implementation, which btw will negate any price advantage over cheaper 2060S/2070S models.
4. Encoding quality is far worse.
5. Doesn't have RT.
6. It does not match RX 2070S. Is rather closer to 2060S.

Considering this, I will pass 5700xt. A model 40 euro cheaper than 2060S. I have a water cooling kit for gpus and that's why I was considering it.
But even so is not worth the hastlle for 40 euro.
 

m3tavision

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I should right now go and pick a discounted RX 5700 XT that I have ordered and arrived.
But I'm not going to do that.

I was in doubt and looking for recent reviews and so I got here. Half of the people here are just fanboys that can't put forward arguments that will convince someone to buy. Not when contradicting most of the reviews out there.

My opinion after spending days on the subject:
1. Drivers are bad.
2. Some games still have issues.
3. Runs hot and loud unless you buy a top implementation, which btw will negate any price advantage over cheaper 2060S/2070S models.
4. Encoding quality is far worse.
5. Doesn't have RT.
6. It does not match RX 2070S. Is rather closer to 2060S.

Considering this, I will pass 5700xt. A model 40 euro cheaper than 2060S. I have a water cooling kit for gpus and that's why I was considering it.
But even so is not worth the hastlle for 40 euro.

Most of you points are based on opinion.

1. Drivers are bad, for what games?
2. What games still have issues..? For who Nvidia, or AMD..? Because my RTX2080 driver's are causing problems with some games I am playing right now.
3. There is no price advantage for the 2060s/2070s, because they are more expensive, not cheaper like you erroneously suggested above.
4. Who is encoding on a 5700 series? (Or even a 2060 Super..?)
5. AMD's Navi can do ray tracing, just like Nvidi'as GTX can do ray tracing.
6. More games are written for RDNA, than Turing. RDNA cards will get more efficient over time. And the 5700 series being nearly $100 cheaper, the end-user can afford to get a better cooling solution and get more stable frames for their resolution. (note: The 2060 never punches above the 2070, but 5700 does.. once and a while.)

You've spent days on this subject..?