ADSL and cable gateways - need to share local store

Phr3d

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We've had DSL for the business side since '98. When the kids and general entertainment improved to be worth it, we added cable to serve stream/game/house entertainment store & wifi chores as DSL is 5Mbs at best (but nearly bullet-proof connection).

What I would -like- to be able to do is to access the 'entertainment' stores while on the DSL side and occasionally vice-versa. I bought a dual-WAN ASUS which seemed as though it would accomplish this, but I apparently misunderstood - our fail-over is clunky but bullet-proof source-switch to cable-side for internet if DSL ever fails (< once a year). Cable is -garbage- for web, we get 'looking up' DNS issues on an hourly basis, stream, games and wifi have No connection issues, hard to understand.

Anyway, I'm network illiterate, both my routers were nearly plug-in and go, so I am probably asking for more than I can figure out (find nothing on the web, clearly not asking the right question).

So is it likely that I can copy / read / watch files on the entertainment LAN easily, or should I just continue to SD-sneakernet the files that I want, lol.

Thanks!

(P.S. if anyone has an idea why the work computers -when forced to use cable when DSL goes down- experience this irritating "looking up" the website in question -browser hang- for up to 60 seconds when the TV/xbox/non-work 'puter(s)/phones@wifi do Not, I'd appreciate those pointers as well)
 
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I believe you are suggesting this hookup:

Code:
    ISP#1 ==== router ==== ISP#2
or
    ISP#1==== router#1 - - devices
                  ^
                  |
                  V
    ISP#2==== router#2 - - devices
 
The latter looks to be the case, as the routers are already here and doing the modem duties.
Being able to browse and copy from the alternative storage is the basic need. Not that important, but mass moves (BD-Rips) can be painful at best.
 
Before we get into network fail-over design, imo we ought to address a few issues.

How are you connected to allow devices on one router to access/share with devices on the other - - or is this the primary issue you seek to solve?

Before we couple a good network to a poorly performing one, we ought to solve this FIRST or otherwise your whole network could suffer when we do couple them.
suggest you perform these steps on any system attached to the problematic router (and which service is that?)
  • get a command prompt and enter
  • IPCONFIG /ALL >myTcp.txt
  • open it, copy the content and paste in a follow-up
  • .
  • also run PATHPING www.google.com >netPing.txt 2>&1
  • it will run for about 3 minutes
  • open netPing.txt, copy & paste that also in a follow-up

btw: option one in the diagram (one router with two WAN ports) requires a BGP capable router like these and they are the professional implementation - - albeit, expensive.
 
Brisk background - switched 7 businesses from heavy-iron to PCs back in the nineties, opened my own business, Y2K scared me to close(most clients lawyers), med probs followed - network knowledge was obviously insufficient, could get away with more then (most customers were Happy with Win3.11 and RG58, lol).

Now we telnet three contracts positions, all run on DSL due to it Never dropping and sufficient speed to work online.

Problem network is the 'new' cable, 100Mbs, works well for entertainment, drops 2-12 times a week, no help from company (list of interactions is long). I thought it would be somewhat simple to offer the local LAN to the DSL side, as Most of our storage is purposefully separate from the work side, but my work computer is the one that gets saddled with 'chores, and it takes forever to establish it on the local LAN so I can send a BD-Rip to the XBox attached storage, for example, so I SD card it.

It sounds like I want to dig in deeper than my remaining neurons will allow, but IF you can spot the problem on the cable side regarding web connection time-outs, it would be Greatly appreciated, as I am unable to convey what the problem is to the Many that I have talked to about this: On DSL all web sites comes up instantly, when we switch the full-time DSL work computers to the cable side, for whatever reason, link timeouts are Frequent to crippling. Here are the requested files
(if eliminating the local addresses is a problem, I will re-run it. FWIW it took six minutes to complete the pathping, done immediately after switch-over to cable, both files are cable Only, as we have no issues with the DSL side).

myTCP (BT and wifi are not used):

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : NUC-i5
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection 4:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Network) #4
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 80-19-34-E7-31-0E
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection 3:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport Adapter #2
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxx
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection 2:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxx
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxx
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) Ethernet Connection I218-V
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxx
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::c51d:9a29:ca35:xxx(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.xxx(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:53:24 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, January 20, 2017 9:46:28 PM
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : fe80::2ca:e5ff:fec8:xxx
192.168.0.xxx
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.xxx
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 348143573
DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-16-DF-63-51-14-DA-E9-4A-72-93
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 2602:3f:e630:1300::1
97.64.168.12
97.64.183.165
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.{0C93217A-190A-41D3-A654-E3F6890B6EE0}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter isatap.{B588B8EA-16F5-4EE2-A14A-0959FD99DA19}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #2
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter isatap.{EBCD4F80-5B63-4522-A0A1-4BF18BFC2B47}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #3
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter isatap.{B226D15F-42DA-482B-9B6F-4F9FDFEB966C}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #4
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter isatap.{01855367-0EB7-4059-8F98-3F192444AEA6}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #5
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

--------------------

Netping-cable:


Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : NUC-i5
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection 4:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Network) #4
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 80-19-34-E7-31-0E
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection 3:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport Adapter #2
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxx
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection 2:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxx
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxx
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) Ethernet Connection I218-V
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxx
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::c51d:9a29:ca35:xxx(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.xxx(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:53:24 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, January 20, 2017 9:46:28 PM
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : fe80::2ca:e5ff:fec8:xxx
192.168.0.xxx
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.xxx
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 348143573
DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-16-DF-63-51-14-DA-E9-4A-72-93
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 2602:3f:e630:1300::1
97.64.168.12
97.64.183.165
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.{0C93217A-190A-41D3-A654-E3F6890B6EE0}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter isatap.{B588B8EA-16F5-4EE2-A14A-0959FD99DA19}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #2
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter isatap.{EBCD4F80-5B63-4522-A0A1-4BF18BFC2B47}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #3
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter isatap.{B226D15F-42DA-482B-9B6F-4F9FDFEB966C}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #4
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter isatap.{01855367-0EB7-4059-8F98-3F192444AEA6}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #5
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes


Thanks for offering your time and trouble, happy to donate to a cause of your choosing, just lemme know.
 
You pasted the Config info twice :) need the netPing.txt to look at network reliability

Secondly, you have lots of tunneling which is unnecessary. Go to Networking & Sharing->Change Adapter settings;
now disable these:
Tunnel adapter isatap.{0C93217A-190A-41D3-A654-E3F6890B6EE0}:
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Tunnel adapter isatap.{B588B8EA-16F5-4EE2-A14A-0959FD99DA19}:
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #2
Tunnel adapter isatap.{EBCD4F80-5B63-4522-A0A1-4BF18BFC2B47}:
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #3
Tunnel adapter isatap.{B226D15F-42DA-482B-9B6F-4F9FDFEB966C}:
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #4
Tunnel adapter isatap.{01855367-0EB7-4059-8F98-3F192444AEA6}:
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #5​


"when we switch the full-time DSL work computers to the cable side, for whatever reason, link timeouts are Frequent to crippling."

How do you effect this change??
 
Hmm can't find the dual-WAN ASUS online; what is the model number please
 
While we're looking,
  • your version of Windows?
  • make/model of ALL routers
Please confirm, all family devices are connecting to router#2, the Cable ISP - - through which router?
 
I am -such- an ijut (correct spelling results in ****, lol) and This after having to track down that cmd dumps output into system32 dir.

Netping-cable.txt

Tracing route to www.google.com [216.58.219.100]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 NUC-i5 [192.168.0.xxx]
1 10.144.230.1
2 172.30.5.25
3 68-66-72-101.client.mchsi.com [68.66.72.101]
4 68-66-72-41.client.mchsi.com [68.66.72.41]
5 68-66-73-122.client.mchsi.com [68.66.73.122]
6 72.14.215.212
7 209.85.246.96
8 216.239.50.236
9 209.85.142.200
10 209.85.142.199
11 72.14.233.235
12 mia07s25-in-f100.1e100.net [216.58.219.100]

Computing statistics for 300 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 NUC-i5 [192.168.0.xxx]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 9ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 10.144.230.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 9ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 172.30.5.25
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 9ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 68-66-72-101.client.mchsi.com [68.66.72.101]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 16ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 68-66-72-41.client.mchsi.com [68.66.72.41]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 16ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 68-66-73-122.client.mchsi.com [68.66.73.122]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 16ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 72.14.215.212
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 17ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 209.85.246.96
0/ 100 = 0% |
8 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 216.239.50.236
0/ 100 = 0% |
9 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 209.85.142.200
0/ 100 = 0% |
10 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 209.85.142.199
0/ 100 = 0% |
11 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 72.14.233.235
0/ 100 = 0% |
12 51ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% mia07s25-in-f100.1e100.net [216.58.219.100]

Trace complete.

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"when we switch the full-time DSL work computers to the cable side...
-- How do you effect this change?? "
I have a cat6 A/B switchbox that selects which router currently


Windows Home Prem 7-64 (CMD reports ver 6.1.7601)

Dual WAN ASUS is RT-AC68U, but it is hooked up as a wifi hotspot, no router duties as I was unable to get it to link the LANs - it has been in service for ~60 days and I seem to have followed your instruction set as it has caused no additional probs, all cable problems have been the case since install 2 years ago (multi drops per week, 'looking up' web site hangs and time-outs).

DSL router is the thing that CenturyLink gave me, no problems, if lackluster perf.

Cable Router is a Motorola SurfBoard, DOCSIS 3.0, can't read the model number., This is the Family Router, serving the ASUS above for wired/wifi family connections to XBox/phones/lappy etc.
(Not to confuse things, but have a new-in-box Netgear C6300 router purchased when cable thought my modem was broken when it was, again, their problem -- last night it was down for 3 hours, 15-ish min drops each of the previous 5 days)


RE the tunneling connections for removal - probably more dumb me, but I do not show the connections that you listed, and all connections except the wired Intel I-218V are disabled in the adapter settings window. Disconnected ports I show are BT,wifi1-intel, wifi2-MS virt miniport and wifi3-MS virt miniport.
Could the tunnel pertain to our eMule backup session that was running? Only other thing that occurs to me was my Giganews VPN experiment a couple years ago.
 
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The Netping-cable.txt result is good - - I was afraid your access to the internet was unreliable
and suffering major timeouts - - it is not.

The 0/100 almost everwhere says 0% packet loss to most nodes and the
8 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 216.239.50.236
0/ 100 = 0% |
9 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 209.85.142.200
0/ 100 = 0% |
10 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 209.85.142.199
0/ 100 = 0% |
11 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 72.14.233.235
are not timeouts, but systems where the routers are configured to not respond to ping;
success is on the last line
12 51ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% mia07s25-in-f100.1e100.net [216.58.219.100]

as that is what we were seeking: Tracing route to www.google.com [216.58.219.100]

after having to track down that cmd dumps output into system32 dir.
Huh? are you saying running one of these causes a system dump?

let's remove old TMP files and dumps to be sure next time it is related
  • cmd prompt and enter CLEANMGR
  • when the result choices appear, click Clean System Files

Let's also test access to your DNS servers; timeouts there make browsers crawl or respond
"page not found"

you dns servers are:
97.64.168.12
97.64.183.165

so cmd prompt and enter
pathping 97.64.168.12 >dns1Ping 2>&1
pathping 97.64.183.165 >dns2Ping 2>&1

paste both of those results please


Like to make some internal networking changes on at least one of your systems:

* no lan in the world needs IPv6, so disable it
see ChangeSettings.jpg to get to deleteIPV6.jpg
follow the pictorials to UNCHEK TCP/IPv6​
2-ChangeSettings.jpg 3-deleteIPv6.jpg
* improve network traffic by reducing tcp noise
save TcpSACKopts_Regedit_file.REG.TXT
rename by removing the .TXT at the end
copy TcpSACKopts_Regedit_file.REG.TXT \windows\temp\
you need to be logged in as admin so,
runas /user:administrator cmd
give the password
you will get a new window located at \windows\system32
enter EXPLORER ..\TEMP
find TcpSACKopts_Regedit_file.REG
dbl-click to launch, there's a prompt Are YOu Sure? click YES​
 

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Just to be clear:
dsl-ISP====CenturyLink--+

    • ^
    • |
  • goes to A/B switch---ASUS is RT-AC68U--family devices
    • |
    • V
Cable-ISP==Motorola SurfBoard--+
 
RE system32 output - that is where the output from the command in elevated cmd window lands. I just figured I was not remembering where standard output from elev cmd window went, lol (been a while). EDIT, I use an icon for elev cmd, command line is system32\cmd.exe.

The A/B switch is between the motorola and the centurylink routers, the ASUS is linked from port one of the motorola to be in the living room for better wifi coverage (if that is different than what you described).

dns1ping:

Tracing route to iadmanxc01.mcomdc.com [97.64.168.12]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 NUC-i5 [192.168.0.xxx]
1 10.144.230.1
2 172.30.5.29
3 iadmanxc01.mcomdc.com [97.64.168.12]

Computing statistics for 75 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 NUC-i5 [192.168.0.xxx]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 7ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 10.144.230.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 172.30.5.29
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% iadmanxc01.mcomdc.com [97.64.168.12]

Trace complete.



dns2ping

Tracing route to mospanxc02.mcomdc.com [97.64.183.165]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 NUC-i5 [192.168.0.xxx]
1 10.144.230.1
2 172.30.5.29
3 68-66-72-101.client.mchsi.com [68.66.72.101]
4 68-66-72-114.client.mchsi.com [68.66.72.114]
5 mospanxc02.mcomdc.com [97.64.183.165]

Computing statistics for 125 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 NUC-i5 [192.168.0.xxx]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 7ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 10.144.230.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 172.30.5.29
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 68-66-72-101.client.mchsi.com [68.66.72.101]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 22ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 68-66-72-114.client.mchsi.com [68.66.72.114]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 22ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% mospanxc02.mcomdc.com [97.64.183.165]

Trace complete.


I have, so far, not experienced the web site hang/timeout today, would it be informative to run this When it does occur?
Should I do a restart for the IPV6 and regedit changes?
Thanks.
 
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The complete network wiring is:
work -- centurylink DSL router to gigabit 8-port switch to A/B switch to my primary work computer
Fam -- Motorola DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem (port 4) to A/B switch to my primary work computer
port one travels 50ft cat6 to living room to port one on the ASUS. XBox wired to ASUS, all other fam traffic ASUS 5GHz wifi (as Panasonic microwave Blasts all 2.4 GHz traffic, lol).

clear as mud?
 
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Well, I -tried- to run the command during a hang (refresh this page results in 'looking up' message at bottom for 30 seconds)

The result looks the same:

dns1ping-2:

Tracing route to iadmanxc01.mcomdc.com [97.64.168.12]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 NUC-i5 [192.168.0.xxx]
1 10.144.230.1
2 172.30.5.29
3 iadmanxc01.mcomdc.com [97.64.168.12]

Computing statistics for 75 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 NUC-i5 [192.168.0.xxx]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 7ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 10.144.230.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 9ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 172.30.5.29
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% iadmanxc01.mcomdc.com [97.64.168.12]

Trace complete.


dns2ping-2


Tracing route to mospanxc02.mcomdc.com [97.64.183.165]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 NUC-i5 [192.168.0.151]
1 10.144.230.1
2 172.30.5.29
3 68.66.72.101
4 68.66.72.114
5 mospanxc02.mcomdc.com [97.64.183.165]

Computing statistics for 125 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 NUC-i5 [192.168.0.151]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 10.144.230.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 172.30.5.29
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 68-66-72-101.client.mchsi.com [68.66.72.101]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 23ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 68-66-72-114.client.mchsi.com [68.66.72.114]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 23ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% mospanxc02.mcomdc.com [97.64.183.165]

Trace complete.


ir-rrrrrr-ritating, it is, lol (looking up techspot, looking up google fonts, looking up google apis,etc, etc, ~45 sec later, 'done' and this on a Refresh) I'd blame scriptblock, but it never happens on the DSL side, so..
 
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I have, so far, not experienced the web site hang/timeout today, would it be informative to run this When it does occur?
Should I do a restart for the IPV6 and regedit changes?
Thanks.
All the traces are perfect, so Yes on the reboot and rerun these when experiencing the problem:
  • ipconfig /all >myTcp.txt
  • tracert 97.64.168.12 >dsn1Trace.txt 2>&1
  • tracert 97.64.183.165 >dsn2Trace.txt 2>&1
 
You mention the use of both 8-port and 4-port switches - - flip some of the connections, move slot-1 to 2 and replug 2 into one.
I've seen switches fail.
 
Your descriptions cry out there's timeouts in the DNS lookup; the testing denies that is occurring.
Motorola DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem (port 4) to A/B switch to my primary work computer
for sanity, bypass the A/B and directly cable the work computer to the Cable side and retest.
 
Kind of grasping for straws here, but just maybe ...
on our first day of internet service, there was only one computer and it was wired to the modem. like all things, this expanded into more devices and the necessity of a router. the day the router was plugged in, we lost service. fussed and fumed, call the help desk and we discovered "Oh, your service was conditioned for xx:yy;zz device". I told them I knew how to proceed and dropped the call.
The ISP uses Physical Address Conditioning to ensure only subscribers get service. With the router between the modem and the computer, xx:yy;zz was no longer seen and instead the Mac Address of the Wan side of the router was.
The solution was to use the Masquerade feature in my router wherein the router presents itself to the ISP as xx:yy;zz

Attached is a screen shot of that page in my router

Code:
Motorola DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem (port 4) to A/B switch to my primary work computer
port one -- to port one on the ASUS
my concern is "which device does the cable modem see first; the asus or the work computer?"
masquerade.jpg
 
Thanks for all your efforts, sir, you are a help. I'm gonna bail out of this, following:

The restart had no bad effect upon DSL (none was expected) and no effect upon the cable-lost-its-way-again issues.

DSL since 1998, no issues through 3 mergers, final centurylink one has been a royal PITA, but still 97%. Cable was added coming up on 3 years ago. Given our telnet-work situation, we decided to keep the two gateways completely separate. I went on a BD buy spree and wanted to transfer all LotR/Hobbit rips to the family storage, as it would be a few 64GB SD trips, lol.
I simply moved the DSL cat6 to the Motorola, and over an hour, win7-64 just couldn't seem to locate the shares that were available to everything on the motorola. I gave up and SD'd it. The A/B switch was added so I could watch an occasional netflix when I was backing up a ton off-site, it did that duty well. The ASUS -might- have joined the LANs, but it definitely added top ac 5GHz wifi rates which improved my standing as entertainment provider in chief. As you've mentioned, the additions have added complication, but I have gone back to basics fairly easily to re-test, as no one else is 'wired' to the motorola any longer and the ASUS is a simple unplug.

I have chased this since we installed cable, always having problem that the one computer wired to the motorola Never did. So the MAC address makes a sort of sense, as I never connected to the motorola until ~4 months after it was installed, it was -n wifi and the other wired computer, then added the XBox (no probs). So when I get my tired butt after it, I may renew this (if that is ok) when I retire the motorola and install the netgear router. I'll leave the ASUS disconnected at the outset and see if there is a difference, but I kinda' doubt it -- cable jus' don' Like me, lol.

Send a PM if I can send along a donation to a cause of your liking, it would be my pleasure.
 
I had an epiphany last night -- see if it fits.

When you need to swap via the A/B switch, you flip the switch and just keep trying to work - - most specifically, you do not reboot. Yea/Nea?

if so, here's what's going on
  • the system already has a complete IP configuration so it looks like a static assignment to the new subnet
  • the existing settings don't match the new subnet
  • worse still, the existing routing tables interfere
  • and the DNS cache is not helpful either
The existing work (browser & telnet) get effect too.

The simplest correction is to shutdown the system BEFORE toggling the A/B and then to restart the system so as to get all the changes needed for the above
 
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Yep I do, and Yep, that sounds key -- I have rebooted at switch and didn't notice a change, tried shutting down the router as well to clear it. I'm-lost-again still occurs, but frankly I was so disappointed that I may not have given it enough time. Reboot here is pretty miserable as many files are in progress and I must make a note of them prior so as to return to the same condition (tried a program that did that, it was about 50% successful). Which is to say, I reboot at project completion, ~45 days, lol (and something the superior minds at Microsoft won't allow in Win10, so I'll be on this system until I keel over).

I will keep it in mind though, with planning, I should be able to accommodate a clean router/PC ('ll testbed techspot as it is easily one of the most-harmed as I track articles and posts).
 
The reboot is needed at the PC; the router doesn't care

The MANUAL alternative to rebooting is
  1. login as admin
  2. ipconfig /flushdns
  3. net stop "dns client"
  4. ipconfig /release
  5. THROW THE A/B HERE << NOTE UPDATE
  6. ipconfig /renew EN*
then verify you have the correct settings IPCONFIG
and ROUTE PRINT
which should look similar to
Code:
$ route print
===========================================================================
Interface List
 18...64 27 37 6a 04 28 ......Dell Wireless 1502 802.11b/g/n
 17...00 02 72 1f 4a 81 ......Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Network)
 13...24 b6 fd 17 2b 97 ......Realtek PCIe FE Family Controller
  1...........................Software Loopback Interface 1
===========================================================================

IPv4 Route Table
===========================================================================
Active Routes:
Network Destination        Netmask          Gateway       Interface  Metric
          0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0      192.168.0.1      192.168.0.5     20
        127.0.0.0        255.0.0.0         On-link         127.0.0.1    306
        127.0.0.1  255.255.255.255         On-link         127.0.0.1    306
  127.255.255.255  255.255.255.255         On-link         127.0.0.1    306
      192.168.0.0    255.255.255.0         On-link       192.168.0.5    276
      192.168.0.5  255.255.255.255         On-link       192.168.0.5    276
    192.168.0.255  255.255.255.255         On-link       192.168.0.5    276
        224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0         On-link         127.0.0.1    306
        224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0         On-link       192.168.0.5    276
  255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255         On-link         127.0.0.1    306
  255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255         On-link       192.168.0.5    276
===========================================================================
Persistent Routes:
  None
 
"The reboot is needed at the PC; the router doesn't care" Ni-ice to know, not sure where I got the impression that the router needed to be cleared - guessing the cable company.

No reboot is news excellente! I presume I can batch that?
 
Note where the A/B gets toggled(I edited the post) - - but yes you can batch that and run under admin, and run the last manually.
 
Btw; it's not a bad idea to power off the router prior to toggling A/B
 
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