AMD CEO hints that high-end Navi GPUs and ray tracing may be coming to Radeon cards

QuantumPhysics

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The 2080 Ti isn't affordable in any sense of the word and it will never be on the same level as the 1080 Ti, which provided a far larger boost in performance for much less money.

It's not like people are paying "cash money" for these things.
On average, these products are being purchased on credit card orusing student loans.

I crosshopped the 2080, 2080 Super and 2080Ti and I went with the 2080Ti simply because I didn't want to ever feel like I should have just spent more and bought the better one.

"affordable" is a weasel word.

People afford what they want and what they are willing to save for or "waste" money on.
 

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Squid Surprise

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It's not like people are paying "cash money" for these things.
On average, these products are being purchased on credit card orusing student loans.

I crosshopped the 2080, 2080 Super and 2080Ti and I went with the 2080Ti simply because I didn't want to ever feel like I should have just spent more and bought the better one.

"affordable" is a weasel word.

People afford what they want and what they are willing to save for or "waste" money on.
Got any numbers on that? Or is that just coming out of your @ss?

Saying that, "affordable" means different things to different people. If you're making a lot of money, then the 2080Ti IS affordable... But for the average American salary (which is about $47,000 US), it is over a week's salary... hard to justify when you want to pay rent, utilities and eat...
 
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m3tavision

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It's not like people are paying "cash money" for these things.
On average, these products are being purchased on credit card orusing student loans.

I crosshopped the 2080, 2080 Super and 2080Ti and I went with the 2080Ti simply because I didn't want to ever feel like I should have just spent more and bought the better one.

"affordable" is a weasel word.

People afford what they want and what they are willing to save for or "waste" money on.

How about lop-sided..?
Is that a better term, than afford..? Did you also spend $1,300 on your CPU..? What about your Memory..?

I can easily afford a 2080ti... it is not worth it, because the cost is not proportional.
 

Puiu

TS Evangelist
Got any numbers on that? Or is that just coming out of your @ss?

Saying that, "affordable" means different things to different people. If you're making a lot of money, then the 2080Ti IS affordable... But for the average American salary (which is about $47,000 US), it is over a week's salary... hard to justify when you want to pay rent, utilities and eat...
Let's stop it with the smarty pants comments about what "affordable" means. People are clearly talking about the average Joe here, not the fringe cases where the kid has enough money to buy drugs and get waste while sleeping on a bed made out of RTX 2080TI GPUs.
 

hahahanoobs

TS Evangelist
It's actually an annoyance that Ray Tracing is "a thing" now. All Nvidia fans wanted were less expensive cards that could run at a solid 4K 60fps - 120fps. What we got instead was "ray tracing", an answer to a question that no one asked.

Current shadow, reflection and transparency technology is "good enough".

Now they get to go on to the 2nd generation of more efficient, more powerful RTX cards while AMD has to catch up to the 2080ti...since that will inevitably be the "Standard" to which all ray tracing cards from any and all manufacturers will be measured against.
So what you're saying is tech should stay the same. Don't even try anything new. Got it. smh.....
 
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Ravalo

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I care. Ray tracing enables photo-realistic gaming, some of those demos are siiiiiiiiiiick!!!! I'd prefer that at 60fps @ 1080 or even 1440 resolution than 120+fps at 4k with none photo-realistic graphics.

Anwyays, Ampere is supposed to bring Ray tracing to the masses for much cheaper, so looking forward to Nvidia's next-gen graphics this year!
I think ray tracing is good for fragmovies if you have the hardware for it, since that way you won’t need to focus on color grading too much

I still think that less than 120 fps in a competitive game like BFV is far from ideal
(I used to play RSS at 30-50 fps btw)


 

Pastuch

TS Enthusiast
I care. Ray tracing enables photo-realistic gaming, some of those demos are siiiiiiiiiiick!!!! I'd prefer that at 60fps @ 1080 or even 1440 resolution than 120+fps at 4k with none photo-realistic graphics.

Anwyays, Ampere is supposed to bring Ray tracing to the masses for much cheaper, so looking forward to Nvidia's next-gen graphics this year!
For all the FPS I play I’m running low everything to maintain +144fps. I just want more fps. Multiplayer only gamers...
 
Got any numbers on that? Or is that just coming out of your @ss?

Saying that, "affordable" means different things to different people. If you're making a lot of money, then the 2080Ti IS affordable... But for the average American salary (which is about $47,000 US), it is over a week's salary... hard to justify when you want to pay rent, utilities and eat...
That's the thing - even if you can afford a certain product (assuming one has this money left over after paying all necessary bills) there is an opportunity cost, I.e. the purchase has to be better / offer more value than alternatives, which could be a tick on the option list for your new car, a nicer vacation, a new deluxe mattress...

The alternatives' value of course depend on personal preferences, so are not the same for each.
 
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ZedRM

TS Booster
Hints or not, this is something that is needed. Hopefully Intel joins the frey and jumps in with RTRT ready to go.
 

Markoni35

TS Maniac
You can make
It does make Quake II lighting a lot better. So there's that, at least.
You can make Quake II lighting a lot better without raytracing. Didn't you see a ton of other games released after Quake II (say, Crysis) which had a lot better lighting in the time when ray-tracing cards didn't even exist? This ray-traced-Quake-II is just a marketing trick.

I have a benchmark from 2007 (called Lightsmark) that features real-time penumbra shadows (super-soft) with real-time radiosity rendering (including color-bleeding) that executes on any normal mid-range graphics card FROM 2007. So, needless to say, it would fly on nowadays GPUs.

You don't need ray-tracing to make old games look good. It's just a PR trick, because Nvidia is aware nobody is buying their overpriced cards for ray-tracing alone.
 

poohbear

TS Evangelist
Got any numbers on that? Or is that just coming out of your @ss?

Saying that, "affordable" means different things to different people. If you're making a lot of money, then the 2080Ti IS affordable... But for the average American salary (which is about $47,000 US), it is over a week's salary... hard to justify when you want to pay rent, utilities and eat...
well he has a point as he was talking about purchasing these $1000+ graphics cards on a credit card. Credit cards (in Canada) now offer financing plans at 6% for 6 months, 7% for 12 months, and 8% for 24 months. These are normally 20%/year credit cards, but for purchases over $300 they offer those reduced interest rates "payment plans". 7% interest on a 12 months installment plan is pretty reasonable for me, and these credit cards are available to the average Canadian. So, ya u certainly don't have to sacrifice your monthly rent/groceries if it's spread out over 12 months at 7% interest rate.

There are even some computer stores here that offer 12 months interest free with a 2% purchase fee. When national interest rates are so low, these loans for recreational purchases are all over.
 

Markoni35

TS Maniac
The term you're looking for is "Technology Demonstration". And it does so very well at the low, low price of free!
No, I said marketing trick, and I meant marketing trick. They had problems making all the top game developers convert their games to use ray-tracing, which is absolutely needed to convince the people they need RT. Because that's their main sales point, and the gamers showed very little interest in it.

So, what can Nvidia do? Well, they can convert a very old hit, which is already free (entire engine is free for over a decade) to ray-tracing. Because that was the simplest solution.

As a result, the game that would normally run at 2000 fps now runs much slower, but still acceptable, just because it's that old, with low-poly assets and low-res textures. In other words, Quake-II now contributes more to global warming, as it burns a lot more energy for effects that could have been produced using cheap old-fashion methods.
 

Squid Surprise

TS Evangelist
well he has a point as he was talking about purchasing these $1000+ graphics cards on a credit card. Credit cards (in Canada) now offer financing plans at 6% for 6 months, 7% for 12 months, and 8% for 24 months. These are normally 20%/year credit cards, but for purchases over $300 they offer those reduced interest rates "payment plans". 7% interest on a 12 months installment plan is pretty reasonable for me, and these credit cards are available to the average Canadian. So, ya u certainly don't have to sacrifice your monthly rent/groceries if it's spread out over 12 months at 7% interest rate.

There are even some computer stores here that offer 12 months interest free with a 2% purchase fee. When national interest rates are so low, these loans for recreational purchases are all over.
I understand.... but find me some proof that most purchases of $1,000 video cards are made by people who can’t afford them... I highly doubt you can...
 

Markoni35

TS Maniac
I know what you said. I was politely implying that your statement lacked understanding.
And I'm saying you lack understanding of economy. What would be the purpose of that, as you call it "demo"? The purpose is to sell more RTX video cards. Also, to show that ray-tracing executes slower on AMD cards. Both has the purpose of selling more cards. Hence, it's marketing. It's not a selfless attempt to give more games to the community.
 

ZedRM

TS Booster
And I'm saying you lack understanding of economy. What would be the purpose of that, as you call it "demo"? The purpose is to sell more RTX video cards. Also, to show that ray-tracing executes slower on AMD cards. Both has the purpose of selling more cards. Hence, it's marketing. It's not a selfless attempt to give more games to the community.
ROFLMAO!! That was a response grounded entirely in ego. Very sad.