AMD mocks MacBook Neo's PC gaming support, says it runs only 5 of the top 20 titles natively

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Facepalm: Few Apple devices have won as much praise as the MacBook Neo. Cupertino's excellent budget laptop outsold the MacBook Air and Pro during its first three weeks, and it seems AMD is feeling a little jealous of all the attention. Team Red has just posted ads for its Ryzen laptops boasting of their gaming abilities, while also pointing out that the MacBook Neo can only play five out of twenty top PC games natively.

Like other companies, AMD likely feels a little threatened by the success of a budget MacBook, so it's gone after its weakest area: PC gaming.

In its Ryzen AI processors ad, AMD compares an HP OmniBook X Flip, which features last year's Zen 4-based Ryzen 5 220, against the Neo, which uses Apple's A18 Pro chip. The company writes that the x86 machine offers access to game libraries across Steam, Epic, and PC Game Pass, complete with "high frame rates" and "advanced graphics," and with "No workarounds required"

The ad also notes that just five of the "top 20" PC games run natively on the Neo. There are also stats about the HP laptop's 512GB of storage (compared to the Neo's 256GB), 2-in-1 touchscreen design, and extra ports. AMD adds that the Ryzen offers 57% better multitasking, 38% faster content creation, and up to double the WiFi speed.

While there's no arguing that the OmniBook X Flip, which starts at $999, has plenty of elements that put it above the MacBook Neo, nobody is buying one of Apple's machines to primarily play PC games, so it's a strange comparison to make. It's more like AMD is simply comparing operating systems, making points that will be obvious to most people.

Moreover, claiming the Radeon 740M GPU in the Ryzen 5 220 offers high frame rates and advanced graphics is quite a stretch – only the most forgiving games are playable, and even then, they have to set at their lowest 1080p settings. Meanwhile, the Neo has been shown to play some PC games quite well, given its hardware limitations.

The MacBook Neo is the clear budget-category winner in our Best Laptops feature. It sold 1.1 million units in under a month after launch thanks to its $599 starting price, design, and macOS experience. It's an excellent laptop for the price, but not much good for PC gaming, obviously.

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This would be a good point if you could get a Strix Halo for this price. The 740M is a three year old RDNA3 GPU that's worse than what you'd find in a Windows handheld. It might be able to launch the top 20 games, but most of them aren't going to run well.
 
Perhaps Macbook Neo is nor for gaming but good question is What it is for? AMD is better for gaming and for everything else PC platform is just offering much more software, better backwards compatibility and more (or expandable) memory. Cannot see any reason why anyone should be bothered with that crap. But of course Apple fanboys will buy anything Apple tells them to.
 
What on earth are AMD smoking, that HP laptop is essentially double the price of the Neo, Apple also doesn’t advertise the Neo as a gaming powerhouse.
Eh? When people say how expensive Apple products are, fanboys immediately tell how Apple has "superior quality" etc BS. In other words, when anyone says something about Apple pricing, fanboys always defend Apple.

Now when AMD clearly have superior product, suddenly AMD is "too expensive". Double standards...
 
Eh? When people say how expensive Apple products are, fanboys immediately tell how Apple has "superior quality" etc BS. In other words, when anyone says something about Apple pricing, fanboys always defend Apple.

Now when AMD clearly have superior product, suddenly AMD is "too expensive". Double standards...
False equivalency. The AMD product on offer here is more expensive and has worst build quality then the MacBook in question.

When the lower price still gets you higher quality, you have a problem.
 
False equivalency. The AMD product on offer here is more expensive and has worst build quality then the MacBook in question.

When the lower price still gets you higher quality, you have a problem.
Worse build quality because of what? Also as stated above, AMD is much better on gaming. That justifies higher price.
 
Well AMD isn't wrong, the Mac neo is too limited for a laptop, especially with a phone SoC, only 8gb ram, and I/O limited to 2 USB-C ports with one of them being USB 2.0.
Build quality is not everything, and doesn't really matter when the build quality doesn't benefit the usefulness of the laptop at all.
 
Eh? When people say how expensive Apple products are, fanboys immediately tell how Apple has "superior quality" etc BS. In other words, when anyone says something about Apple pricing, fanboys always defend Apple.

Now when AMD clearly have superior product, suddenly AMD is "too expensive". Double standards...
The HP Laptop AMD are quoting is $999, MacBook Neo with student discount is $499, literally half the price...
 
Perhaps Macbook Neo is nor for gaming but good question is What it is for? AMD is better for gaming and for everything else PC platform is just offering much more software, better backwards compatibility and more (or expandable) memory. Cannot see any reason why anyone should be bothered with that crap. But of course Apple fanboys will buy anything Apple tells them to.
I was a Windows person until earlier this year, you have it all wrong, nothing works very well on Windows, you'll only notice this once you've actually tried using a Mac for a little while though.

Once you go back to Windows, and you're constantly bombarded with popups for Edge, then Windows Updates, then driver updates, BIOS updates, then the start menu can't find the document you're looking at on the desktop, then OneDrive crashes, then Teams crashes, because Windows has eaten all 16GB of RAM to open a single Edge window etc...

It has been utterly hilarious to me how good the Neo's been for my work needs, there's the odd moment I have had to open up the old work laptop, Sometimes, I still need that 32GB of RAM, but other than those rare moments, the Neo's 8GB of RAM hasn't been a drawback for 95% of everything I've needed it to. Been almost weird having an actually reliable laptop.
 
I was a Windows person until earlier this year, you have it all wrong, nothing works very well on Windows, you'll only notice this once you've actually tried using a Mac for a little while though.

Once you go back to Windows, and you're constantly bombarded with popups for Edge, then Windows Updates, then driver updates, BIOS updates, then the start menu can't find the document you're looking at on the desktop, then OneDrive crashes, then Teams crashes, because Windows has eaten all 16GB of RAM to open a single Edge window etc...

It has been utterly hilarious to me how good the Neo's been for my work needs, there's the odd moment I have had to open up the old work laptop, Sometimes, I still need that 32GB of RAM, but other than those rare moments, the Neo's 8GB of RAM hasn't been a drawback for 95% of everything I've needed it to. Been almost weird having an actually reliable laptop.

Let's understand something about this, Apple runs a closed system. If you and office worker, mail browser etc. are all you need, then Apple will work fine for you. Apple dictates the hardware, cpu, and every item on that laptop. Of course, you''re going to have fewer updates, fewer issues, etc. Like it or not, Microsoft has quite a few more years of OS compatibility, laptops vary from manufactures, Apple has only one to worry about. You can pick the system that suits you from Strix Halo with 128gb and decent graphics, to Intel with a 5090 RTX, to a entry level 4 core CPU. It ALL has to work. Apple has no such issues, Which I view as limitations. Add the Apple tax. and I've never even looked twice at one. On top of that, for my given trade, NONE of the software and hardware I use will EVER be released for Apple.

It's so irritating that people tout the Apple and it's "superior" interface. Even if that's a given, There's never been an Apple customer that will admit to having limitations. Which it does. Just because a sizable chunk of the buying pubic won't have to worry about the limitations, doesn't mean they're not there.
 
This would be a good point if you could get a Strix Halo for this price. The 740M is a three year old RDNA3 GPU that's worse than what you'd find in a Windows handheld. It might be able to launch the top 20 games, but most of them aren't going to run well.
You think Halo should cost same as Neo?

I have a bridge to sell you with excellent waterviews in Sydney Harbour, for only $100.
 
You think Halo should cost same as Neo?

I have a bridge to sell you with excellent waterviews in Sydney Harbour, for only $100.
No, I think AMD would have a better argument if the 740m wasn't also bad at playing games. The Strix Halo is a pretty good GPU, even the 780m is a decent GPU. The 740m is not a gaming GPU.
 
I was a Windows person until earlier this year, you have it all wrong, nothing works very well on Windows, you'll only notice this once you've actually tried using a Mac for a little while though.

Once you go back to Windows, and you're constantly bombarded with popups for Edge, then Windows Updates, then driver updates, BIOS updates, then the start menu can't find the document you're looking at on the desktop, then OneDrive crashes, then Teams crashes, because Windows has eaten all 16GB of RAM to open a single Edge window etc...

It has been utterly hilarious to me how good the Neo's been for my work needs, there's the odd moment I have had to open up the old work laptop, Sometimes, I still need that 32GB of RAM, but other than those rare moments, the Neo's 8GB of RAM hasn't been a drawback for 95% of everything I've needed it to. Been almost weird having an actually reliable laptop.
Funny thing with Windows is that using Edge, OneDrive, Teams etc is voluntary, not mandatory. With Apple you are stuck with Apple browser, there is no freedom of choice. Well at least some areas there are but majority of world just needs to use whatever browser engine Apple offers to you. It just sounds like you are using Windows wrong. I am writing this on Windows virtual machine that have whopping 4GB of RAM! I also have another physical machine with only 8GB RAM and that runs pretty fine outside anything heavy. Saying that Windows needs More than 32GB for basic tasks is just Apple fanboy BS.

Having very restricted laptop and then saying it's reliable is just double standards. You just have very limited laptop and because it heavily limits what you Can do, it feels reliable. Sam applies to almost every machine. When something is built reliability in mind, it is always very limited and offer very little room for adjusting. And that always becomes problem, sooner or later.
 
My first PC in 1997 had a Cyrix 166 in, 12 months after I updated to AMD, and since then I always used AMD CPUs and AMD video cards. so I like AMD CPUs. But the above comments from them is showing that they are worried about Apple, or certainly the Neo and I don't know why? The Neo is not for games, it is a way for people to get a Mac laptop without spending a fortune.
It uses a mobile phone CPU for goodness sake.
Most people if they want to play games they are not going to buy a Mac, simple as that.
I changed to a Mac Mini 3 years ago, I still have the PC, but just for some games. If I update the PC it will be to another AMD CPU.



 
Well AMD isn't wrong, the Mac neo is too limited for a laptop, especially with a phone SoC, only 8gb ram, and I/O limited to 2 USB-C ports with one of them being USB 2.0.
Build quality is not everything, and doesn't really matter when the build quality doesn't benefit the usefulness of the laptop at all.

I thought the same as you, but seeing one in person changed my mind. Sure memory could be more, but the machine for what it is can do a fair bit, even basic video editing if that is your thing.

USB2 is a bit naff, but it is okay for a mouse or to back up files onto a memory stick or something like that.

The new Neo will improve on. it. Apple must have done something right because the Neo have sold pretty well.

 
Let's understand something about this, Apple runs a closed system. If you and office worker, mail browser etc. are all you need, then Apple will work fine for you. Apple dictates the hardware, cpu, and every item on that laptop. Of course, you''re going to have fewer updates, fewer issues, etc. Like it or not, Microsoft has quite a few more years of OS compatibility, laptops vary from manufactures, Apple has only one to worry about. You can pick the system that suits you from Strix Halo with 128gb and decent graphics, to Intel with a 5090 RTX, to a entry level 4 core CPU. It ALL has to work. Apple has no such issues, Which I view as limitations. Add the Apple tax. and I've never even looked twice at one. On top of that, for my given trade, NONE of the software and hardware I use will EVER be released for Apple.

It's so irritating that people tout the Apple and it's "superior" interface. Even if that's a given, There's never been an Apple customer that will admit to having limitations. Which it does. Just because a sizable chunk of the buying pubic won't have to worry about the limitations, doesn't mean they're not there.
I am a Mac user and I admit to Mac having limitations compared to x86 and windows based machines. But only in that the hardware is not able to be update. Mac mini M4 can have the storage replaced, but it is a pain to do so. MacOs, while I do think it is better than Windows in many ways, can be a pain in other ways, certainly when coming from Windows.

But with MacOs I am not forced to have a online account, it is my choice, I don't have to go though hoopsp with software such as Rufus to get out of having a online account. I can use any browser I like, any search engine I want and don't get things coming up saying, please use our browser or our search engine. I don't get A.I pushed onto me and difficult to turn off like what happens with Windows.
Okay, Apple did try to push it a bit in some updates, by turning A.I back on. But they stopped doing that.

MacOs is more polished than Windows, certainly in the setting department. With windows I have to use Control panel and settings to do stuff. How long has it been since MS have been trying to get rid of the control panel?

I never thought I would go for a Mac, been using windows for years, I thought I would still be using it now, but decided three years ago or so to have a change. My mate who I used to sort out his windows machines for his music studio passed away a few years ago, so I had no reason to keep on top of what was happening in the Windows world. I got fed up of large towers and having to muck about when Windows did a wobbler, just by adding a update or even changing a driver. Sure Windows is better now than it used to be, but it still have problems. I realise that MS have to make Windows for different hardware, but then as a mate says to me, Linux seems to do it okay, depending on the distro. He is a Linux fan.

So here I am, a converted Mac user, My Mac mini runs nicely, no mucking about with drivers, software is easy to install and remove, no forced account, I don't have an online account running on my Mac. Nice and quiet. Perfect? no, some things still annoy me.

I am not a Apple fanboy either, no Iphone, not paying that much for a phone.









 
The cheapest AMD computers featuring the Radeon 740M iGPU are easily north of $1000. The Macbook Neo is $900...if you get the 512GB model and like 3 years of AppleCare.

So, yeah, this is NOT the flex AMD thinks it is...
 
Let's understand something about this, Apple runs a closed system. If you and office worker, mail browser etc. are all you need, then Apple will work fine for you. Apple dictates the hardware, cpu, and every item on that laptop. Of course, you''re going to have fewer updates, fewer issues, etc. Like it or not, Microsoft has quite a few more years of OS compatibility, laptops vary from manufactures, Apple has only one to worry about. You can pick the system that suits you from Strix Halo with 128gb and decent graphics, to Intel with a 5090 RTX, to a entry level 4 core CPU. It ALL has to work.
Windows 11 has hardware limitations though, it's in the news regularly how it doesn't support CPU's before 2018, So although you are overall correct, Microsoft have to support a far more varied hardware landscape, don't make it sound like that support extends 10+ years, because it doesn't.

Windows also never used to be this rubbish, last time I used a Mac was back when they just transitioned to Intel CPU's, I didn't think there was that much difference speed and reliability wise then, kinda why I wrote MacOS off in mind I suspect.
Add the Apple tax.
That doesn't really exist anymore, to the point of this article, AMD had to double the price of their competing laptop to even make an argument against the Neo.
On top of that, for my given trade, NONE of the software and hardware I use will EVER be released for Apple.

It's so irritating that people tout the Apple and it's "superior" interface. Even if that's a given, There's never been an Apple customer that will admit to having limitations. Which it does. Just because a sizable chunk of the buying pubic won't have to worry about the limitations, doesn't mean they're not there.
I bought this Neo not for work, I bought it because it was cheap and I hadn't bought myself a laptop in 12 years and also wanted to play around with MacOS and learn what it has to offer. What I didn't expect was my work laptop to breakdown one day and use the Neo in an emergency, just to find it's MILES better than Windows, even running Microsoft's own software.

I'm also surprised at how well it can run Windows in a virtual machine, there's a single piece of software I wasn't able to replace on Mac that I need access to once or twice a week, Parallels "Coherence Mode" literally makes Windows Apps look like they're running natively, it's pretty cool.
Funny thing with Windows is that using Edge, OneDrive, Teams etc is voluntary, not mandatory.
Let's break this down, Microsoft regularly push updates to ask you again, and again... and again, if you'd like to use those services, even going so far as to force them on in the past, yes they're optional, as long as you're diligent, also, I'm forced to use them for work anyway, company policy.
With Apple you are stuck with Apple browser, there is no freedom of choice. Well at least some areas there are but majority of world just needs to use whatever browser engine Apple offers to you.
It's quite telling you really haven't used MacOS, I use Firefox for example, it's same the Firefox you find on Windows and Linux, nothing different, I use Outlook instead of Mail, I use the Office suite instead of Apples, I use OneDrive instead of iCloud etc... I'd argue Apple allows for better control than Windows, I can turn off Siri and all the AI stuff with a single toggle, never prompts again, never pushes to enable it, just does what I ask it to do.

You're thinking of iOS which does have more limitations, such as browsers are forced to use their Webkit rendering, which I agree, is a massive limitation, they don't exist on MacOS however.
It just sounds like you are using Windows wrong. I am writing this on Windows virtual machine that have whopping 4GB of RAM! I also have another physical machine with only 8GB RAM and that runs pretty fine outside anything heavy. Saying that Windows needs More than 32GB for basic tasks is just Apple fanboy BS.
See, once again, you're arguing something you know nothing about, I need the RAM as I need to virtualise multiple switching environments and test changes out, the Neo is absolutely a limitation here, I need more RAM, that's just how that piece of work goes, but Teams? Outlook? Word? Just seem to load faster, and crash far less frequently (specifically Teams) vs when they're running on Windows, which is crazy.
Having very restricted laptop and then saying it's reliable is just double standards. You just have very limited laptop and because it heavily limits what you Can do, it feels reliable. Sam applies to almost every machine. When something is built reliability in mind, it is always very limited and offer very little room for adjusting. And that always becomes problem, sooner or later.
If it was so limited, why have I been able to replace my work and personal laptops with a single Neo? Why have I found all my software works fine in MacOS? Or I've found direct replacements? Examples, Notepad++ is Nextpad++ in MacOS, PuTTy/CMD/Powershell is Tabby in MacOS etc...

I must stress, I've been a Windows person since the late 90's and only dabbled in MacOS a couple of times up until this year, Your view on MacOS is very wrong, you seem to think it's iOS, it just isn't, it's far more open, you aren't locked to an App store for starters.
 
Perfect? no, some things still annoy me.
As a recent MacOS convert, am I going crazy, but there isn't a way to "cut" files like Windows and Linux?

I also understand why Apple scales external screens the way it does, but it does annoy me how overly large everything is on a 27inch 4k display, Windows Scaling works far better, it seems with Apple, you have to have a 5k screen or above for it to work properly.

I've heard there's an App for MacOS (Better Display) that might fix my issues though, need to check it out at some point.
 
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