AMD mocks MacBook Neo's PC gaming support, says it runs only 5 of the top 20 titles natively
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Burty117
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Hardware disk encryption has been automatically enabled on Mac's since the late intel based Mac's from what I can find, checking my Neo, it is indeed enabled.
Then don't use those services. You have freedom not to use basically anything you don't like. For some reason I don't see any "regular" updates on software you say. Perhaps updates are also Company Policy. It seems you are blaming Windows because your company screws up. If your company uses Apple, you probably have similar problems and then Apple is to blame?
Firefox is using Apple browser engine unless you are located in EU or on some other countries. At least that is something I understand. So most users are NOT using "real" Firefox instead of just Firefox "skin".
Your machine probably again is your machine, not company machine and that makes huge difference.
Yeah well, things change it seems.
You sure there is nothing wrong on Windows install, settings or just your "company policy". People have tendency to blame wrong company when there are problems. Just like Valve VAC bans "were" AMD fault when problem was that Valve VAC banned people that didn't use actual cheats
It just seems that there is problems somewhere else but Windows is to blame.Can you customize for example desktop UI for what you want or are you stuck with what Apple offers you? I doubt it. Sure there are software replacements for certain programs but ability to make OS what you like is very limited.
App store is just now unlocked, it was locked for many years. Good question is why it was locked in first place.
Burty117
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WTF are you on about? Most companies use Microsoft's 365 stack, or at least, here in the UK they do, it's extremely popular software, I'm telling you, Teams works better on MacOS than it does Windows, or at least, in my experience so far, That's it, Apple has close to nothing to do with it, Microsoft has everything to do with it...
You need to read my comment again, this is not true for MacOS, it is not locked down like iOS, you are spreading misinformation here.
It is my machine, but the company I work for has a very strict security policy around BYOD devices, it's basically a company machine that I'm allowed to have a heavily locked down local account for personal use, it's essentially a work machine at this point though.
It does indeed, and you seem to be living 25 years behind from the looks of it, MacOS has never had the same restrictions as iOS, no forced app stores, no forced browser rendering, it's an actual desktop OS just like Windows.
Windows was re-installed less than a year ago, same monitoring software on both machines, in my investigations, I think it's an issue with power, the Intel CPU and Lenovo's tuning, if I set Windows to "balanced" it throttles to 1GHz and becomes unusable, if I set it "performance" it maxes out permanently and the CPU sits at 105c all day long, makes it usable, but extremely loud and kills the battery in 5 minutes, Probably an issue with Lenovo (I keep drivers and firmware up-to-date by policy) but it's been an issue since I got this laptop (barely 2 years old).You sure there is nothing wrong on Windows install, settings or just your "company policy". People have tendency to blame wrong company when there are problems. Just like Valve VAC bans "were" AMD fault when problem was that Valve VAC banned people that didn't use actual cheats
Might be, might not be a Microsoft Windows fault, even in high performance mode though, Teams just can't cope with doing much in it without freezing or crashing, something that just doesn't happen on the much lower spec'ed Mac.
Of course you can customise it, it's more customisable than Windows in some respects, e.g. the "dock" (sorta like the Windows taskbar) can be moved to any edge of the screen, Windows is stuck to the bottom only.
Again, you're getting MacOS and iOS mixed up, MacOS has NEVER been locked to an app store, ever, you can install apps from wherever you want, just like Windows.
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Rudyduu
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The year the CPU was made has nothing to do with Microsoft allowing Win11 to run on it. It has to do with the Trusted Platform Module being present which started appearing on motherboards in 2003.
Compare any 12-year-old laptop to a modern one and the difference is going to be massive. Anyone who's gotten a new computer after being on one that's over a decade old is going to think this new computer is amazing, no matter what it is.
You were able to change to a Neo, because your work doesn't need high-performance compute or graphics and any modern laptop is going to outperform your broken 12-year-old laptop.
Burty117
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To officially run Windows 11, your CPU must have 2 or more cores, a clock speed of 1 GHz or faster, and appear on Microsoft's list of supported processors. Generally, this means an Intel 8th Generation or newer or an AMD Ryzen 2nd Generation or newer processor is required.
They're literally called "Hardware Requirements", Sure, you can force Windows 11 onto a laptop from 2003, but it isn't supported at all, so good luck I guess?
Where was I comparing to a 12-year-old laptop? I was comparing to a 2 year old work laptop?
I don't really know what to respond to this, I don't care about the 12-year-old laptop, I was never comparing the two.
Also, something I think you and everyone who argues with the Neo seems to forget, it's a $499 laptop, it's extremely cheap, it punches well above it's weight for it's price, but if you buy one expecting some kind of high end compute beast, I dunno what to tell ya, your expectations are not only completely out-of-wack with reality, but you're about to be even more disappointed by anything Windows related at that price point.
Axeia
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Tip for AMD:
Stop shipping old effing architectures with your own stuff so you can beat Apple in performance instead. People might actually be interested in that.
An ad to show that your competitor is bad at gaming that everyone knew in the first place. How much money went towards this? Literally makes yourself look bad, and you paid for it.
Fire your advertising branch, use the money saved to hire more software developers or something.
I swear every time AMD makes claims other than launch benchmarks they do themselves a disservice.
Stop shipping old effing architectures with your own stuff so you can beat Apple in performance instead. People might actually be interested in that.
An ad to show that your competitor is bad at gaming that everyone knew in the first place. How much money went towards this? Literally makes yourself look bad, and you paid for it.
Fire your advertising branch, use the money saved to hire more software developers or something.
I swear every time AMD makes claims other than launch benchmarks they do themselves a disservice.
Honestly, this has nothing to do with AMD. It's really about Apple Neo vs the broader Intel world. The HP OmniBook X Flip can be configured with the Intel Core Ultra 5 226V.
Here's the Passmark comparison between the Mac A18 and Intel 226v. (with AMD Ryzen 5 350 tossed in for comparison).
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...-5-340-vs-Intel-Ultra-5-226V-vs-Apple-A18-Pro
Personally I would not touch the Apple Neo. It's not touch screen. It has just one real USB-C port. Here's the killer.... Linux support is extremely limited.
Cut files, do you mean move files?
Not sure what mean by overly large,I have a 32 inch 4K display, if I go to displays in settings and click on more space 3840x2160, I can not see it, as everything is far too small. I have mine on default, 1920x1080
not sure if it will help, but a link below is to some battery tests.
I thought encryption was default on macs. as for antivirus, MacOs have built-in protection, like windows do these days. If you want to use third party then fine. I don't and have had no problem.
I agree I have no idea about Apple operating systems. I have read about Apple having antitrust cases etc about App store but it seems Apple has TWO different operating systems. One is not locked. Another is but it's not locked if you are living on area X. Sounds pretty "simple", right? Windows is proprietary but pretty open for programs. Linux is free and open for programs. Simple, eh?
And finally we have reason for your bad experience. Intel CPU that runs 105 degrees and runs at 1 GHz. You finally admitted you are using laptop with trash CPU and it's Windows fault of course. Just like I told above, you are blaming wrongly Windows as your laptop simply sucks. Use AMD and problems solved. This is one reason why desktop users are much more intelligent than laptop users and reason why AMD just won't bother with laptop users. They buy Intel anyway.
Yeah, Intel CPU is one to blame. I really wonder why most laptops contain Intel trash.
Luckily we have programs like Explorer Patcher that solves problems like that. Also main reason why you cannot easily move taskbar on Windows is Apple. Microsoft wants to make Windows less customizable because Apple fanboys want everyone to have same experience and Microsoft tries to lure Apple users that way.
Yeah, I agree I got confused that somehow Apple has TWO very different operating systems. Pretty stupid if you ask me. I would think that Apple has only one because no-one else is making Apple systems than Apple but oh well....
No. AMD has gained lots of market share on servers. Retail desktop CPUs too. HEDT market is AMD only. However most laptops are OEM trash and OEMs buy Intel. Why should AMD bother with new architectures for laptops as OEMs rather buy whatever trash Intel is providing them?
Burty117
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I'm going to ignore the rest of your comment for now as I do wonder on this, do you have a job? And if so, is it in the IT sector?
Burty117
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Exactly that, it seems Apple works on a "copy then delete" type system, they don't have a "move" or "cut" option, which is annoying to be honest, higher chance of having random duplicated files all over the place.
Oh for sure, 4k is way to small, but 1080p seems way to big in my eyes, the 1440p option makes everything look terrible, but the sizing is just right, the scaling just doesn't work well when the resolution doesn't fit a certain ppi it seems, I've gotten used to it, just zoom out on certain websites to fit more on the screen, but it is something Windows is noticeably better at by default.
Oh, there's plenty of good users for a Mac:
1 - It's not Windows and users don't pull their hair out over constant McAfee bloatware ads.
2 - A Mac is a part of a modern mobile/laptop/tablet/etc. ecosystem, which is something that AMD and
Microsoft cannot provide at the moment.
3 - A Mac comes with Find My, which one can use to track their iPhone, AirPods, AirTag'd items, etc.
4 - A Mac can run many iPhone apps natively, or it has access to iPhone Mirroring.
5 - A Mac can run Crossover, VM, Steam, etc. and plays plenty of games.
6 - Lastly, people who use Macs are generally more interested in getting work done, creating music, art, videos, etc. Gaming is an after-thought.
I started using Macs in 2010 and I have never looked back. Windows Vista was a nightmare, and Windows 8, 10, and 11 are mostly just fresh coats of paint on a trainwreck of an OS.
I am working right now but not in IT sector. However I know more than well enough what I'm talking about. When it comes to IT department buying computers, it always goes like this:
- Supplier/OEM offers certain models for desktop/laptop/server etc.
- Buyer for some reason "must" take what is offered.
- Buyer for some reason cannot easily change supplier/OEM.
- Buyer for some reason cannot ask for different models from supplier/OEM.
Therefore if OEM/supplier only offer trash, buyer takes trash and is happy with that.
So far no-one has offered any single good explanation why it should go like this. It just goes and that's it. Done.
Even if AMD CPUs are much better for laptops/servers/desktops there is nothing to be done because supplier/OEM offers Intel and therefore buyer have no choice but accept Intel. It make no sense but that's how it goes. Have seen this for decades.
1. I have ever seen any McAfree ads on my computer.
2. If restricted OS is definition of "modern", I disagree.
3. Yeah, Airtag is excellent for stalking etc.
4. OK? I have no reason to use phone software on my computer.
5. PC plays them without any workarounds. Easily.
6. However most people are interested in games too. Even if they pretend not to be.
Burty117
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Okay so, now let me quote your own comment:
Who do you think I am at the company I work for? I can certainly tell you, I am not high up enough to make any kind of changes on what laptops are purchased.
Anyway, if you wanted to continue this chat, PM me.
I understand that there are one or few users that make purchases and then there are hundreds or thousands users that use what those few purchase. Also I understand you just cannot easily switch to AMD because your company decides what you use. But again, that doesn't change result at all.
And if you read my post, I said you admitted your laptop overheats and therefore I said you should blame laptop, not Windows. Rest of post is my General Rant about companies using Intel. If you thought that was personal, it was not. I never mentioned that You purchased that laptop because I know your company did it etc. Nothing personal there.
Burty117
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Yeah I gave up reading the rant, you should know Intel Ultra Series CPU's are designed to get that hot, it's plenty fast when it's hot, it's when it cools down it drops to 1GHz, that's why I think it's a Lenovo / Windows thing, It's the Windows power settings that seem to change this behaviour, but the behaviour itself is dictated by Lenovo's tuning, so who knows.
All I know is, £1500 Lenovo Laptop seems to generally speaking, perform worse than a MacBook Neo for general day-to-day tasks, granted, anything properly taxing like virtualising stuff, the Neo is limited, but browsing the web, writing out emails, joining teams meetings, SSH or Powershell, all seems to work better whilst having 4x the battery life.
Burty117
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I have apologised to all my Mac friends profusely for months now, I was wrong, they were right, MacOS is actually pretty damn awesome.
You can move files by pressing command when you copy. So click on the file you want to move, drag it to where you want to move it to and press command before you release the mouse button.
This bloke on You Tube is pretty good.
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