Four years on, we revisit the Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs Core i9-12900K with modern games and DDR4 vs DDR5 configs. The result: still neck and neck, but memory choice now makes a real difference.
Flagship Rematch: Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs. Core i9-12900K
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Well, I wonder if Steve didn't have something to do with the 5800X3D's coming back, and now, he's preparing us for a purchase 
This is so well timed, for all those claiming DDR5 has no benefit and games dont need bandwidth....turns out that games evolve with available hardware! Whouda thunk it?
MasterMace
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I mean in retrospect you have the king of gaming vs a melting CPU that Intel refused to fix the microcode in for years and actively denied any issue existing.
themastergoose
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Bought my 5800X3D in launch week, still going strong in my gaming rig today. Several GPUs have come and gone in 4 years, but that CPU and its original mobo and RAMs remain. Never put a foot wrong, and I’ve no desire to sell it for AM5. It’s not holding up my 9070XT so I’ll continue to ride out the current market problems and maybe revisit it once AM6 comes out.
this is misinformation. The 12900k is alder lake, not raptor lake. Alderlake was not affected by microcode issues and absolutely didn’t “melt”.
The 5800x3d is consistently tying with the 12900k on average, when that chip is running DDR5 memory that was more expensive then either CPU when they were new, while drawing a fraction the power and being a drop in upgrade for millions of motherboards as opposed to being a new platform.
That qualifies for a GOAT chip. 4 years the x3d has been out, and the platform is a decade old. I think its been long enough. Even now the x3d chip here ties up with almost everything else out there except the highest end x3d chips from AMD or the 270k plus.
LordVile95
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Way to completely miss the point of the conversation there buddy. do you do this intentionally?
LordVile95
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Way for you to miss the point? The 12900K was bad value with DDR4 or 5. If you were going DDR4 the 5800X3D is better, if you were going DDR5 the 7600X was better.
That wasnt the point of my comment, which you replied to. Try to keep up with the convo buddy.
LordVile95
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Your point was regarding DDR4 vs DDR5 and in the end it really didn’t matter as by the time you’re noticing any change the 12900K still loses to the 5800X3D despite costing more and using more expensive RAM and now if you did use DDR5 RAM the 12900K is bested by an entry level CPU.
Cooe14
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Worthless comparison because you're using crazy DDR5-7200 CL34 that didn't exist when people were cross-shopping these CPU's in 2022 (vs the 6400MHz CL32 memory you used in your original comparisons), and you needlessly gimped the Ryzen 7 5800X3D with 3600MHz DDR4 when your original comparison used 3800MHz, which is super important as Infinity Fabric clock is tied to the memory clock on AMD.
Re-run this comparison with the SAME memory specs you used in your original comparison so we can see the ACTUAL difference in performance today vs then. Otherwise, what even is the point of doing a modern comparison at all? If you did this, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is going to come out in top.
Re-run this comparison with the SAME memory specs you used in your original comparison so we can see the ACTUAL difference in performance today vs then. Otherwise, what even is the point of doing a modern comparison at all? If you did this, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is going to come out in top.
When I think of the GOAT of processors nothing comes close the the Celeron 300A with the Abit BH6
Melkor Unlimited
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LordVile95
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If you want to go more recent the 4670K and the 4790K are also in with a shout. They were relevant for ages even if they fell off benchmark spreadsheets. It was really only worth an upgrade with Zen 2 came out or the 8th/9th gen Intel parts and even then at the time especially for gaming they were more than solid before games preferred 6 core parts and became more RAM sensitive
OortCloud
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It must be tough to keep answering question normally and rationally when you keep getting snarky replies from somebody who keeps calling you 'buddy'. Well done!
I forgot all about the Abit BP6 running two Mendocino(?) Celerons!
Would it be too weird to request to see Minecraft 1.12.2 with some stabilized heavy Forge modpack in the set of CPU test games? E.g. SevTech is well know, has good replay value, and is not actively developed (stable).
- Minecraft is popular and relevant to many. It's relatable.
- A lot of modpacks are stuck on this old version of Minecraft
- single thread bottleneck: Heavily modded 1.12 series Minecraft has strong single thread bottleneck and large modpacks make it a lot worse
- it's already old but timeless
I think it would add something unique to the CPU tests.
Not very interesting for GPU testing.
I would expect the X3D CPUs be very strong in this test.
- Minecraft is popular and relevant to many. It's relatable.
- A lot of modpacks are stuck on this old version of Minecraft
- single thread bottleneck: Heavily modded 1.12 series Minecraft has strong single thread bottleneck and large modpacks make it a lot worse
- it's already old but timeless
I think it would add something unique to the CPU tests.
Not very interesting for GPU testing.
I would expect the X3D CPUs be very strong in this test.
PierreJG
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Benchmarks is usually per game. Some CPUs work well in one game the other in another game. I am planning to upgrade my R5 5500 to an 5700X 8 core. It is mainly for work so I won't utilize a x3d cpu and not in the mood to upgrade my 6600XT yet with the current overpriced GPUs. Not sure wtf is going on here though as the 5090 jumped by 11k. The 5070TI even jumped by 5k and the only affordable Nvidia GPU is the 5070. There is a 10k difference in price between the 5070 and the 5070TI,
If I were to go with Intel, I'll rather go with the 12-14th gen over the new core series. They are overpriced. For us, they are 1k more than the 9800X3D and same price as the 9950X and only 500 less than the 9950X3D which makes no sense. The 12-14gen will be a lot better bang for buck if your a gamer.
If I were to go with Intel, I'll rather go with the 12-14th gen over the new core series. They are overpriced. For us, they are 1k more than the 9800X3D and same price as the 9950X and only 500 less than the 9950X3D which makes no sense. The 12-14gen will be a lot better bang for buck if your a gamer.
You really did miss the point. How do you not see that?
LordVile95
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I really didn’t. DDR4 vs 5 really didn’t matter because the chips that you had that choice with were just terrible value and no one bought them at the time. They’ve had a resurgence because of the issues that plagued 13th and 14th gen making them Intels only viable product for a few years but even then they were getting slammed by AMDs entry level by that point. The only people who were getting intel with DDR4 then were those who already had DDR4 and were keeping it and didnt want to accept AMD has been the better buy since Zen 2 launched
You really did.
LordVile95
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Are you going to actually add anything or just state nonsense?
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