Anonymous to NATO: do not challenge us

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A word to anonymous. Don't ever say, "Oh yeah? You and what army?" To some one that has an army. Remember it's all fun and games till the swat team shows up.
 
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Yeah the government does a lot of shitty lies but it's all necessary for law and order. Imagine a country without a government? You would see all kinds of hell in this world. Nobody's perfect you know. Be it the government or the people in it. I would totally side with NATO on this one.

This "organisation" called "anonymous" is what I call a pain in the ***. They think they are helping the country but well I'm not American but **** they just put 100+ million people in a world of hurt. Hacking PSN? What the hell were they thinking? Yeah sure Sony sued one of your pal but it's his damn fault for jail breaking ps3.

They drag innocent people into their scheme and giving NATO a warning not to oppose anon? You gotta be out of your freaking mind. Anonymous is a group comprising of, well "freedom fighters" while NATO is a HUGE FREAKING WORLDWIDE ORGANISATION which comprises of hundreds of thousands of people with unlimited resources. Just like someone posted, "you go against the government and you will surely lose cause they have unlimited resources that they can spend carelessly."

Anon is a fishy group and looks to me they are one step closer to being labelled "terrorists". Warning the government not to cross the line? Isn't that what the bad guy usual does?
 

princeton

TS Addict
Zecias said:
OMG! You heard about what the taliban do? Where, Al Jazeera, or FOX?

Do you happen to know anything about governments BETTER than your own (more civil rights/liberties, better social policies, etc) ? Can you list 5..?

Terrorist.. the word of the f****g century! What's funny is that it defines both sides..
lol the taliban persecutes the Shi'a ethnic group
no women's rights
they have a basic disregard for the rights of their citizens in general
they house terrorists like the al'queda
they don't have stuff like social security
*******........ such ignorance

i have never denied that the US government is evil and selfish, but its the lesser of the evils. so, i for one, am grateful to live in conditions that many don't have.
It's the lesser of two evils. And one of the most evil of all of the governments in the world. Canada, the UK, Sweden and Norway all have better governments than the united states of america.

Being better than the taliban isn't impressive when you're still a bad government to begin with.
 

jonelsorel

TS Rookie
Folks living in "less evil" govts today, like some of you ladies/gentlemen, are too busy to be made to think more than 10 seconds at a time on a given topic I think. Your sum of general knowledge is basic at best. You express your feelings based on semi-digested crap fed to you by your favourite media outlets whenever you open your eyes, or simply repeat what you hear/read/see. You are unable of critical thinking. Your attention span is lower than a 12 year old's.

Enjoy your stay in the matrix.. And make sure to fear whatever boogeyman your govt come up with tomorrow.
 

Lokalaskurar

TS Enthusiast
Anonymous doesn't steal anything. Good job commenting with no understanding of anonymous.
No, no... pardon. It was a horribly formulated sentence. I meant that Anonymous don't have the same resources as NATO, and the only way for them to gain access to the same resources would be to steal them.

Edit:
Oh wait, after actually re-reading the entire statement from the beginning, it wasn't at all a badly formulated sentence. I never claimed that Anonymous steals anything. And princeton, Win7Dev has a point. There is a reason why Anonymous members are being arrested.

IMO, it's just like that wonderfully formulated quote; Talibans kill 1 police and 200 countrymen with a bomb. Anonymous are making "necessary collateral damage" just to make their point. Kind of paradoxical in my opinion. That, or morally incorrect.
 

jonelsorel

TS Rookie
Zecias said:
OMG! You heard about what the taliban do? Where, Al Jazeera, or FOX?

Do you happen to know anything about governments BETTER than your own (more civil rights/liberties, better social policies, etc) ? Can you list 5..?

Terrorist.. the word of the f****g century! What's funny is that it defines both sides..
lol the taliban persecutes the Shi'a ethnic group
no women's rights
they have a basic disregard for the rights of their citizens in general
they house terrorists like the al'queda
they don't have stuff like social security
*******........ such ignorance

i have never denied that the US government is evil and selfish, but its the lesser of the evils. so, i for one, am grateful to live in conditions that many don't have.
It's a good thing your standard of living is better than average, but you got some f*d up moral compass to begin with.. Define "evil" in the context of US involvement in your last 5 wars. How about the 60's - Panama, Ecuador, Iran; the taliban, Iraq, Afghanistan later on. I guess destabilizing foreign countries, assasinations, installing puppet leaders, arming both sides of a conflict for profit and stuff along those lines are fine and dandy in your book.

Remember your sweet govt let the Bin Ladens fly away shortly after the buildings fell, when all flights were banned.

Ignorance? I'd say hypocrisy.
 

Mr772

TS Rookie
Guest said:
In the end, a criminal is still a criminal (be it thief or pasty skinned 30 yr old virgin basement dweller) and none should ever be taken seriously other then hunted down like the scum bags they are.
What is your answer when the Government is the one engaged in criminal activity, openly violating the Constitution of the United States of America?

Beware ye who are vocal about government actions you soon may be labled terrorist or put on a watchlist.

I am no supporter of illegal activity but I am a full supporter of Anti-Government actions and stances. Government IS the problem here people, corperations have twisted and perverted government into a coperate puppet to maximize profit at the expense of morality and honest business practice.
 

Richy2k9

TS Enthusiast
Guest said:
LOL more than your keyboard to survive, and about pissing the wrong guys... don't you think banks, corporations and governments have at least one of those "wrong guys"?? Don't you think the guys at Sony didn't REALLY want to find them? or were they just playing games than? I mean I am no hacker myself but I wouldn't say that... Annymous has proven wrong...

@Richy
The fact that "the law is in their hands" doesn't automatically give them the right to retaliate in any way they desire
Currently I think it is for VERY good reasons, but believe me... it is not anarchy what they want, their attacks aren't structured nor planned that way
Movies show many many things, but we must recognize real menaces to our freedom even if they are in movies, that doesn't mean it is far from reality
I wouldn't turn down a friend, it turns out not all of us can be "bought"
Military forces are not toys, they are not to be used against ANY threat, and the fact that the US is willing to treat cyber attacks the same way as kamikaze attacks (that is, military response) is SO off scale, and immature as stoning a boy who threw eggs at your home
You make a pretty clever statement, about hackers not being the only geniuses in the world... but just think about this... why are they getting soooo much attention and power recently?? because the net is one of the very little "free" ways of acting and speaking your mind (i know it isn't completely free) and one of the fields in which the valuable stuff is knowledge and NOT money, contrary to any other money-influenced ways of expression... mass media? you say? all those news are what they want to say and not more... so, the point is... Anonymous is taking advantage of one of the only ways someone can really change the current situation

And of course Anonymous has everything to do with liberty either it is the Anonymous way of writing to the local congressman, or participating in sit-ins that can be soo easily be wiped out so there are no more choices left...
hello ...

too bad you are a guest, i always feel honored by someone replying yet can't return the favor here, anyway you will recognize yourself.

having the right to retaliate isn't the question but when they can use pretext & turn it to their advantage, then it can be wrong or good, it doesn't matter, they can do it, they will!

now don't take it wrong, i don't live in an oppressive country with a bad government. it isn't perfect but i live in a small island without big issues.

humans act according to their mood & sometimes they don't even wait to be calm, just scare them & you will see.

anyway i read another article where some Anon members were arrested in Spain, now let's see where this will lead when our governing entities are scared enough to vote hackers as terrorists.

I'm not saying that you or I will turn down our friends, but someone someday will do so & catching one can often lead to the capture of others.

one cannot consider cyber attack as small, doing so would make us ignorant & 'somewhat illogic' ...
like you said, those movies can become reality, now the world may shiver

freedom of speech or whatever else is always badly used, often as pretext, sometimes by ignorant or illogical.

our freedom ends where someone else freedom starts, the right for us to speak freely is still limited by the effect it will have on an individual or a mass. we should stop being hypocrite & just see how we will feel if we were the victims of those claiming going for some humanitarian deeds.

now let's don't put all eggs in same basket, some wars are meant to happen & some battles are necessary.

cheers!
 
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Guest

Notice who this "Anonymous" group goes after? Organizations and corporations that cannot fight back. The people in "Anonymous" would never go after Mossad because they have the assets that can go after anybody in any country and kill them without remorse.
 

TJGeezer

TS Enthusiast
Guest said:
In the end, a criminal is still a criminal (be it thief or pasty skinned 30 yr old virgin basement dweller) and none should ever be taken seriously other then hunted down like the scum bags they are.
Absolutely! Nail on the head. As some old German PR exec put it, "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Them hacktivists is nothin' but terrorists and they probably hug trees, too.
/s
 
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OH DAMN IT!!! I am tired of your ignorance! This is my last comment, there's no way to make you use your brains! The last comment specially made me tired of trying to make you all open you eyes, but you refuse to see the damn truth, even as evident as it is...

@TJGeezer:
You really are a douchebag man "Them hacktivists is nothin' but terrorists and they probably hug trees, too." How can you compare that to terrorism.. oh I know! You believe EVERY DAMN THING the ****** in government tell you, and they were able to implant that imbecile thought in you sooooo perfectly...
Now let me tell you something, and even if you don't agree it's not gonna make things different... current government ARE NOT pursuing truth, current governments are not "trying to protect us from the truth" (as if that has ever been the case) they are only pursuing MONEY at the cost even of human lives! And for ANYONE to tell that it "becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Dissent arises not from any other thing than pursuing the truth... if you could only think before speaking you could find sooo may contradictions in your own speech!

If you refuse to use your damn brain then get a damn bullet inside it, for it will serve the same purposes! After all that's what the common (and vast majority) ***** does, waste his brain believing he knows everything even though his own thought is NOTHING more than what society has imposed on him... and that's sad... anyways NO ONE can make you get out of that **** hole other than yourselves... until then farewell...
 
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Guest

Do you not think that this Anonymous group. Might actually be another government false flag operation?

I mean think about it... The only real form of free speech and information left, is the internet it's the biggest threat in the government's eye's.

Now if they stage so called cyber terrorist attacks, on different corporations/organizations. Where let's be honest, not alot of damage has really been inflicted. They would have the perfect excuse to start regulating/controlling the internet, on levels never before seen in the west.

Bang goes are last form of free speech and information.

Makes sense to me, they've done it before. 911 being the most obvious example and what resulted from that. Homeland security act. The patriot act. A war that's lasted a decade and has no end in sight.
 
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THANK YOU GOD!!! THERE'S STILL SOME PEOPLE LEFT WHO USE THEIR BRAINS!!!
To the guest above me, first of all thank you!
That's a pretty clever observation... now you got me thinking! But I still doubt government is behind this... but I cannot deny that's, like you said, a perfect excuse to start messing with the only piece of free media left...
I believe Anonymous is there to make it clear that the ones rising triumphant after all, is the people with knowledge, and big brother forgot about that... even though they handle and control all their problems with money they are stumbling upon those who value knowledge, truth and freedom more than money, and I think Anonymous are part of that, or what do you think>
 
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Isn't NATO cool, they went from fighting physical people to digital people.
 

ramonsterns

TS Enthusiast
Guest said:
Notice who this "Anonymous" group goes after? Organizations and corporations that cannot fight back. The people in "Anonymous" would never go after Mossad because they have the assets that can go after anybody in any country and kill them without remorse.
Your point is?

You're probably not man enough to tackle a bear and wrestle it to the ground either.
 
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Guest

@ramonsterns my point is 'Anonymous' is just presented as a hacking threat to pass all the Draconian cyber-security bills that are being considered. People still think governments cannot launch false-flags onto themselves like Hitler did when he burned down Reichstag.

And your bear analogy was funny too. Thanks for the laugh.
 

dividebyzero

trainee n00b
Honestly, America needs to hire these guys because they got some real talent that could be used for good causes.
Wouldn't work. Once they work for "The Man" then you'd need Real-Anonymous to go up against them....besides, these guys would be relatively easy to subvert. The Honey Trap girls wouldn't even need to be above average in the looks department. Some of these guys would likely sell their family into slavery for the opportunity

The other main problem lies in the fact that the group would form schism's once it became "accepted" and "mainstream" -although I personally look forward to the day that the world places it's trust and oversight in the hands of Generation X/Y/Z'ers who divide their time between message boards and viewing porn.
Viva la Revolucion!

/It's sarcasm
//d*ck joke
 
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Guest

I feel like a lot of people here are mind-washed. Groups like Anon, are the kinds of groups that kept governments from doing their will without repercussions during our whole civilized history. We need them, don't be so naive to believe blindly in your government guys, come on.
I'm not saying they are right, I'm saying that there's a balance, between right and wrong, good an evil, people and government, democracy and secrecy.
It's proven along history that any government/group given enough power would lead to disasters to the human kind.
 

Lokalaskurar

TS Enthusiast
You know, they keep saying 'Don't feed the trolls' - but as I honestly cannot see any trolls around...

To all of you Guests: keep in mind that the community guidelines clearly states: "Criticise ideas, not people."

And this is what I'll be doing.

Do you not think that this Anonymous group. Might actually be another government false flag operation?
Nope, just a bunch of silly crackers who think they can prove a point using collateral damage.

Now if they stage so called cyber terrorist attacks, on different corporations/organizations. Where let's be honest, not alot of damage has really been inflicted. They would have the perfect excuse to start regulating/controlling the internet, on levels never before seen in the west.
That is a method more suited for Turkey; banning YouTube because there is ONE video depicting Attatürk as a bad man. And banning Blogger because there is ONE blogger who writes sh*t about Attatürk. (I'm not a Turk btw).

And we're not just talking about the US here. Anonymous is a pain in the b****rack for us Europeans as well. Are you prepared to specify why you think it will be a good excuse to start regulating the Internet? Because the US can only control the US Internet usage, you know?

Bang goes are last form of free speech and information.

Makes sense to me, they've done it before. 911 being the most obvious example and what resulted from that. Homeland security act. The patriot act. A war that's lasted a decade and has no end in sight.
Are you prepared to stand by those accusations? Saying "They've done it before" and citing numerous widely discussed conspiracy-related events is not going to cut it by itself, that would be a big F on a report.

I mean think about it... The only real form of free speech and information left, is the internet it's the biggest threat in the government's eye's.
First things first: Internet with a capital I please.
Now: you are implying that the US. government is actively against free speech and free information. Have you ever watched Morgan Spurlock's "Super Size Me!"?
Think about it. You figure out the rest probably... oh wait... hopefully.

THANK YOU GOD!!! THERE'S STILL SOME PEOPLE LEFT WHO USE THEIR BRAINS!!! (the guest above me)
:confused: ...

Notice who this "Anonymous" group goes after? Organizations and corporations that cannot fight back. The people in "Anonymous" would never go after Mossad because they have the assets that can go after anybody in any country and kill them without remorse.
Well, except NATO which actually can defend itself with big guns. Good to see that we have a Guest who doesn't watch "2012" 24/7.

OH DAMN IT!!! I am tired of your ignorance! This is my last comment, there's no way to make you use your brains!
You know some claims actually needs something called "proof", not just disingenuous assertions.

I feel like a lot of people here are mind-washed
...? ...

... I have a feeling that captaincranky is probably writing the most epic captaincranky post ever... either that or laughing his a** of by now. Both are reasonable.
 
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Guest

@Lokalaskurar

No offense intended, but you come across as very single minded.

They may only be able to control the internet in the US t the moment. But who knows what they have planned, and how they are going to implement it.

No i'm not going to provide proof. i've done my own research into the subject, and formed my own thoughts and opinions, not just from watching 2012. I don't know all the answers, I just choose not to accept the official Government version of events. I know i'm a bad person.

First things first: Internet with a capital I please - Really grow-up!!

@ THANK YOU GOD!!! THERE'S STILL SOME PEOPLE LEFT WHO USE THEIR BRAINS!!!
To the guest above me, first of all thank you!
That's a pretty clever observation... now you got me thinking! But I still doubt government is behind this... but I cannot deny that's, like you said, a perfect excuse to start messing with the only piece of free media left...
I believe Anonymous is there to make it clear that the ones rising triumphant after all, is the people with knowledge, and big brother forgot about that... even though they handle and control all their problems with money they are stumbling upon those who value knowledge, truth and freedom more than money, and I think Anonymous are part of that, or what do you think>

Thanks I'm not to sure what's going on. Like someone else said on here, there getting a lot of exposure through the media. Which gives me the suspicion, that there's more to this than meets the eye.

I would love to believe that Anonymous, are out to spread the truth. We need more truth, as they say "The truth will set you free". But like i said i'm still undecided.

Let's just hope that this group, are what they say they are. If they are they have my full backing.
 

Lokalaskurar

TS Enthusiast
Well, thanks for the 'No offence intended' part.

Funny that you would say that you're a bad person- keep in mind that I've never claimed that. Be aware that I'm not political about anything, I'm solely humanistic by nature.

Let's just hope that this group, are what they say they are. If they are they have my full backing.
I am very well aware that some people I personally consider as 'crooks' out there does get their faces punched by Anonymous. But as you've said, one must not be single-minded about this.

No evil person considers himself as evil. /Shakespeare
Sensemorale - Not everyone has the same opinion on 'evil'. And a group which specialises in taking the matter into their own hands, is hence seen as 'hacktivistic', for a reason.

This is a full quote out of Wikipedia's section "Anonymous (group)" - with the sources coming from BBC and ars technica.
On May 20, 2009, members of Anonymous uploaded numerous pornographic videos onto YouTube. Many of these videos were disguised as children's videos or family friendly videos with tags such as "Jonas brothers." YouTube has since removed all videos uploaded. The BBC contacted one of the uploaders who stated that it was a "4chan raid" organized due to the removal of music videos from YouTube. BBC News reported that one victim posted a comment saying: "I'm 12 years old and what is this?" which went on to become an internet meme.
The written entry can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)

Proof? Let me provide you with the sources:
http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/05/4chan-ebaumsworld-carpet-bombing-youtube-with-porn-videos.ars

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8061979.stm
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I you are fully backing a group which does such a thing, I'm truly disgusted.

No offence intended.
 
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Guest

Stop twisting my words. "I know i'm a bad person." Sarcasm look that one up on Wikipedia! Post a link with your PROOF if you really must.

Look, you have your views and thoughts, fair enough. I have mine. I'm not going to sit here, and go tit for tat with you. It's pointless and we won't get anywhere.
I'd prefer to discuss this with like minded people, just as you proberly would.

Peace