Anthropic's Dario Amodei says allowing Nvidia H200 sales to China is like "selling nuclear weapons to North Korea"

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A hot potato: Dario Amodei has never been Nvidia's biggest fan, and it's a feeling that's pretty much mutual. The Anthropic CEO is particularly against the US government allowing Team Green's H200 chips to be sold to China, a move he says is "a bit like selling nuclear weapons to North Korea."

The Trump administration formalized the 25% duty on Nvidia's H200 and AMD's MI325X chips shipped to China last week, creating a new revenue stream for the US government.

In an interview with Bloomberg TV, Amodei was asked about the recent events. The CEO said that while the H200 accelerator isn't Nvidia's latest-generation model, he still believes it was a "big mistake" to ship the chips as they are an improvement over what China can currently access.

"I think this is crazy. I think it's a bit like, I don't know, like selling nuclear weapons to North Korea and bragging, oh yeah, Boeing made the case," Amodei said.

Amodei might be worrying about nothing. There have been reports that Chinese customs officials have blocked shipments of H200 from entering the country and warned domestic firms not to buy them unless absolutely necessary.

The rivalry between Amodei and Nvidia (and Jensen Huang) is turning into a modern version of the Steve Jobs vs. Microsoft/Bill Gates drama of yesteryear.

Anthropic clashed with Team Green over the export of its chips to China in May last year when it supported the AI Diffusion policy. The Amazon-backed company suggested lowering the export threshold for Tier 2 countries, implementing stricter regulations to minimize smuggling risks, and boosting funding for enforcement efforts.

Anthropic cited the arrest of two people in 2023 by Hong Kong customs officers who were trying to smuggle 70 high-end "computer display cards" into the country alongside 617 pounds of lobsters, and the famous incident in which a woman was caught entering China with 202 Intel CPUs wrapped around her torso and concealed underneath a prosthetic pregnant belly.

Nvidia responded with, "American firms should focus on innovation and rise to the challenge, rather than tell tall tales that large, heavy, and sensitive electronics are somehow smuggled in 'baby bumps' or 'alongside live lobsters.'"

Huang also took offense to Amodei's warning that AI could wipe out about half of all entry-level white-collar jobs in the next five years. "One, he believes that AI is so scary that only they should do it," Huang said of Amodei.

"Two, [he believes] that AI is so expensive, nobody else should do it […] And three, AI is so incredibly powerful that everyone will lose their jobs, which explains why they should be the only company building it," Huang continued.

More recently, Huang appeared to reference Amodei during his complaint about public AI negativity. He said no company should ask governments for more AI regulation.

"Their intentions are clearly deeply conflicted, and their intentions are clearly not completely in the best interest of society," he said. "I mean, they're obviously CEOs, they're obviously companies, and obviously they're advocating for themselves."

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In a global economy, banning a country from receiving something that sells in millions of copies is almost impossible. There were multiple reports of Chinese smuggling Nvidia cards when they were banned from buying those.
USA can make a statement, make it a lot harder/expensive to get those, but I doubt they can prevent China from getting those. The man does not read news.
 
Nvidia is effectively one of the legs of the US Economy at this point.

What Jen Hsun whispers in Trump's ear goes, everyone else be damned.
 
Given that the US, and likely Trump, too, is taking a cut of Nvidia's profits, this makes perfect sense. Profit above all is is supreme. Who GAS about anything else.

At least that's the current thinking, and it is not much different, IMO, than it was when Nixon normalized relations from China and helped China turn itself into a world leader by helping the US buy China out of sh!thole country status.

America First my A$$
 
Nvidia was allowed to sell the H200 to China not based on any threat or capabilities, it was a flat out bribe of an ownership percentage in Nvidia for Trump. MAGA about wealth not America!!
 
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My dear Dario, North Korea is already in possession of nuclear weapons.
Just so you know.
I'm tempted to give you some useful tips but I seriously doubt you'd understand any of it.
Have a nice(r) day.
 
They don't need to.. in less than 5 years they'll be able to produce better or very equivalent chips themselves. Like everything else, they only need a handful of these things, and they'll be throwing billions at reverse engineering them and making them soon enough themselves.

And the other reason China will win the AI race is because they can produce and scale affordable energy much better than the US ever can. So even if their chips are less efficient, they can throw much more power, and much more chips at the problem, and they will win.
 
In the latest new creepy-as-f**k-would-be-dictator sells AI chips to autocrat.
Having said that, China will manufacture chips better than H200 in a few years at most, so I'm not sure trying to stop these sales achieved much.
 
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