CERN says newly discovered particle is consistent with Higgs boson

By Rick · 23 replies
Jul 4, 2012
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  1. Scientists announced today that the Higgs boson -- or a new subatomic particle like it -- appears to indeed be real. The hunt for the Higgs boson has been an intense one, for its absence could have single-handedly destroyed whatever……

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  2. amstech

    amstech IT Overlord Posts: 1,936   +1,101

    If humankind can let go of its greed and quest for fictional power, we are capable of exuberant achievements. While our technology is still primitive, it is a start.
    (Amazingly, previous wars and our competitive nature have been largely responsible for some/much of our weapons/technological knowledge.)

    I hope, that within the next few generations, the creation of a real starship is something mankind pursues. It may seem like with our most advanced technology its kind of possible now but I think we need to get farther ahead on many things before we try it.

    Ok enough of my useless 2 cents!
  3. MrBungle

    MrBungle TS Booster Posts: 151   +67

    a space based weapons race would make that happen faster than any other way.
  4. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    Nope. Warfare will always be a very close second to corporate and commercial interests when it comes to advances in technology. Where there's money to be made, there's always swift progress. A weapons race just creates the opportunity.
  5. Benny26

    Benny26 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,535   +51

    Sadly, the first real starship that mankind make will undoubtedly look pathetic compared to something out of Star Trek and other fiction which we all associate the word 'starship' with. Never the less I can't wait for the day it happens.
  6. more like out of firefly...
  7. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,010   +18

    Plenty of room for differing opinions on this subject, I for one would disagree, military applications have historically been far more influential. Greed factors into is as far as the military/gov't is always ready to throw far more resources at something than the private sector. And the military has been around for thousands of years, corporations only for a few hundred, and that's by the broadest of definitions.

    We can spend centuries tinkering about with spaceships, but if we actually had contact with an alien civilization, we'd probably be up and running within a decade, not out of a desire to make money or to explore the cosmos, but to kill the alien or avoid being killed by him. The need to stay alive is a far more potent motivating factor than corporate greed, always has been.
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  8. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    This is more or less what I'm getting at. To my knowledge (which, admittedly, is very limited on the subject matter), a significant portion of military R&D spending goes towards paying contractors from the private sector to develop the technologies for combat/defense applications. Boeing comes to mind as an example. In essence, the military creates the demand (opportunity), private interests supply the necessary resources... For a price.

    Spot on with the survival comment, by the way.
  9. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,890   +1,224

    Arrogant statement of the month, right there. Saying all of humankind is greedy and after power, and our technology is the most advanced for lightyears around, but it's still primitive (Those CERN guys might disagree too). I hope when our future generations look back at history they see Amstech as the start of humanity's golden age.

    Can't we just say nice job scientists and look forward to what we'll learn now that this has been found? Maybe the start of a unified theory or something greater, like discovering what caused the big bang...

    No, we gotta talk about greed and war... How depressing.
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  10. "If humankind can let go of its greed and quest for fictional power, we are capable of exuberant achievements. While our technology is still primitive, it is a start."

    We are still monkeys with tools.
  11. How do you discover what caused a theory that denies proven Scientific law?

    Scientists will call this whatever they want regardless of what it is or isn't. Their main objective is to 'prove' the evolution lie and to discredit the reality of if that could be done.
  12. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    If this post were any more cliched I'd easily mistake it for a bad joke... Firstly, the main objective of discovering the HB particle is to expand our knowledge of the universe and its inner workings. Evolution isn't even relavant. Secondly, and more importantly, the discovery of the HB has about as many theological implications as the discovery of water on Mars. If you're going to troll websites to alleviate your anxiety of science, please do so on YouTube where these half-baked Atheism vs. Theism arguments already run rampant.

    That being said, I am curious as to the real-world implications of this discovery. I understand the implications for theoretical physics may be quite profound, but I'm completely ignorant of what this may mean for the rest of us moving forward. Anyone who can provide some insight or links on the matter would be great.
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  13. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 3,000   +1,319

    I have absolutely no experience in this type of thing, so heres a question.
    Is the HB a single particle creating the field, or is there a near infinite amount of them creating the field?
  14. mosu

    mosu TS Guru Posts: 474   +84

    They are joking, right?
  15. jeffz6

    jeffz6 TS Rookie Posts: 79

    Potenial? This is a wight loss dream. Fire up the higgs bossom ray and take some weight of our higgs bottom.
  16. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,264

    Possible from a theoretical PoV, but I'd assume that it would be the aliens that found us. Assuming an intelligence capable of interstellar travel, would be dumb enough to give an emerging species (us) the tools to make us competitive with them?
    Could be a case of mix-and-match. A corporate sponsored alien spaceship zapping around would make the Goodyear blimp look pretty lame. Hopefully we don't end up with Zaphod Beeblebrox shilling for Head & Shoulders.
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  17. more wasteful expenditure *sigh"*

    do we have flying cars ? no
    do we have a base on the moon ? no
    do we have renewable energy ? no

    do we waste money on unjust wars ? yes
    are millions of people of people starving ? yes
    do we have "modern lifestyle" pooh invading PC games ? yes

    Now I ask with tears in my eyes what is / was the bloody point. We have achieved f-all since landing on the moon - and NO your dumb Apple product does not constitute any degree of human advancement. It does point to corporate capitalist thuggery though.
  18. DanUK

    DanUK TS Booster Posts: 211   +9

    What a fantastic achievement, the culmination of 60 odd years of hard work and research. I'm eagerly awaiting some more insight into what this particle is (either the Higgs or something completely new - both exciting outcomes). If it isn't the Higgs then they're fast running out of possible mass ranges to search in.

    Also have to whole-heartedly agree with Davislane1's response to religious-guest troll. I think you'll find Mr Guest, that hardly any scientists refer to this as the "God Particle", and it was originally called this not for an attack on religion, but because the particle is "so central to the state of physics today, so crucial to our final understanding of the structure of matter, yet so elusive".
  19. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,890   +1,224

    Who knows. And I don't mean that sarcastically. The electron was discovered in 1897 and today computers run almost every part of our life. Is the Higgs Boson as big a discovery as the electron? I have no idea... but it's possible that it may lead to things as unimaginable to us today as a smartphone using the internet would have been to someone in 1897.

    I think it's more of a relief than anything else. They built this $100-and-some million dollar machine to find something that all their math said should exist. It's a good thing they found it. :)
  20. DanUK

    DanUK TS Booster Posts: 211   +9

    If we're gonna go there.. it's actually close to a $10bn budget :X So yeah, good to get some results!
  21. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,010   +18

    LOL, its funny to think that this advancement or any other so far could be used to prove or disprove the existence of God. While scientists may argue about what happened 1x10-25 second from the Big Bang, they are pretty united in the fact they have no idea what caused the Big Bang to occur. There are tons of theories, some more outlandish than others.

    But whether you sleep at night better knowing there is, or isn't a God, until you get into what happened before the Big Bang, both theories are equally viable.
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  22. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,978   +15

    Awesome news post!!! Thank you, I thoroughly enjoyed that.
  23. TJGeezer

    TJGeezer TS Enthusiast Posts: 385   +10

    LOL "the evolution lie" ha ha - nice troll! Yeah, how 'bout them scientist types, only interested in useless stuff like facts and evidence and reality. Stupid scientists.
  24. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 1,935   +763

    Well, the level of certainty is "only" five sigma as quoted in the article. That means that they are 99.99999 percent certain not 99.99999999999 percent certain. LOL

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