Alot of folks think this way, the fact is if we bring the jobs back, people will do the work, and quality will likely exceed anything made off shore, one thing Americans are famous for is overbuilding designs. The world forgets it was America that lead the way in the digital revolution, the formost designs are from American firms, and the best silicone engineers are trained in American schools and work for American companies.
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Alot of folks think this way, the fact is if we bring the jobs back, people will do the work, and quality will likely exceed anything made off shore, one thing Americans are famous for is overbuilding designs. The world forgets it was America that lead the way in the digital revolution, the formost designs are from American firms, and the best silicone engineers are trained in American schools and work for American companies.
Ludak021
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but YOU need that slave labor, your companies are enabling it and profiting from it. And consumer is getting a product made by that slave labor. Show me an American that will work in assembly line in qualcomm or TSMC like Chinese do, and when you fail to do so, you will understand that Americans ARE lazy.
As for "American technology revolution" US has been and still is importing educated people from abroad, mainly Asia, to keep that "technology revolution" . They get employed and then the "boss" takes the credit. Edison taught them all too well. You don't need to be smart, you just need a vision, money, and desperate people that know how to do it. Look who split the atom - it wasn't an American. Steve Jobs did nothing, everything in first iPhone was already invented by someone, he just collected the pieces into what he needed. And he started manufacturing in China because infrastructure is better, cheaper and workforce of desperate people endless. You cant move that to US, everything will cost 100 times more, they would rather just close that shop (or set up in Mexico) because that kind of product made in US would have no market at the price that it would carry.
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cliffordcooley
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You wouldn't say that if you were as unfortunate as they are. They are people just like you and you don't seem to care how they are treated. Just as long as it is not you. It is not OK to support this behavior in your own neighborhood or in others.
Ludak021
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Tell that to yourself when you buy your next TV, Phone or any gadget. they were all done for ~$2/day per worker.
I am not supporting anything, I am telling you people how things are. Companies are going to exploit that and they don't care, profit is good.
I am not supporting anything, I am telling you people how things are. Companies are going to exploit that and they don't care, profit is good.
cliffordcooley
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I understand, and I object. That is just one of the flaws in our world trading. We don't condone harsh work conditions but we support it through foreign merchandise. Yeah that makes us two faced, and I object.
Because the current generation of Americans are spoiled brats, but plenty would still be willing, look at the people without a job, they'd work in those plants, we prove that with our coal mines, people are willing to do those jobs. As for foreign import, that entire system is rigged, I lost my job to an H1B Visa worker, I was being paid 25hr to do the migration from XP to 7 for a large company, they brought in some visa works for 15hr and had me train them. It's illegal but by the time your complaint gets anywhere the job is done and the visa holder has gone home. You'd stop seeing importing talent from Asia if we'd increase the risk to companies abusing it. I know plenty of out of work it people for instance that are more than qualified but because of the Visa system they remain unemployed in their field. One guy I know works for the city now doing facities maintince, his degree though is semi conductor engineering, he lost his job to a 22yr old from India because they where paying him 120k a year, they paid his replacement 35k.
So don't go bragging on brain import, it's a rigged system, and if you where over here you'd know it. If we make it illegal to outsource jobs that American citizens can do, and enforce it with stiff penalties you'd see slot less people comming from overseas. Think your caught violating the law and hiring a Visa worker to replace a citizen to save money you get a 1million a day fine, the abuse would stop, and Asia would be left with to many people with skills not relevant to there needs.
I'd buy a made in America TV because id know it was assembled properly with quality, and their wouldn't be counterfeit capicitors inside it that cause it to break in 3 years, like the crap currently assembled in China. Since China started building stuff, it's been as reliable as a Ford Pinto getting rear-ended.
Ludak021
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It's called Capitalism. The best system in the world ever.
American made TV? That would be like $20K for 55" TN that's all you have, the rest is from Asia. It's not just China, India made their own Silicon Valley, they don't want to work for US anymore. South Korea is the tech leader in a lot of areas. You are getting left behind, and all trump wants is to bring jobs back. Apple will rather, like Harley Davidson, move their HQ.
I do feel for you, people, but companies don't have allegiances to no one but shareholders and profit. And Trump thinks "america first" will actually work. Companies don't care for that. Again, reality.
American made TV? That would be like $20K for 55" TN that's all you have, the rest is from Asia. It's not just China, India made their own Silicon Valley, they don't want to work for US anymore. South Korea is the tech leader in a lot of areas. You are getting left behind, and all trump wants is to bring jobs back. Apple will rather, like Harley Davidson, move their HQ.
I do feel for you, people, but companies don't have allegiances to no one but shareholders and profit. And Trump thinks "america first" will actually work. Companies don't care for that. Again, reality.
Except Intel and Amd have government contracts aswell as alot of other companies, plus we can block the move of anything we want to. If we blocked technology transfer outright to China or India, or South Korea there nation's would collapse
Ludak021
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Nope. You cant do that. Tech is not owned by US, it's owned by companies. Even if you could, no one would colapse. China would disregard you, S.Korea and India would follow them and US would cry about international law, the one they break all the time. We would al have a laugh.
PEnnn
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Or maybe those presidents didn't need to blame someone else or appeal and cater to the lowest and most vulgar side of their base to win elections: I.e blaming China while Wall Street was cheering the low labor costs US companies were paying!
Blame China, while tons of American companies were / are rushing to build factories there (and elsewhere) while laying off US workers!
Not to mention Trump's obsession with xenophobia (build the wall to stop the Mexican rapists!).
No sir, his predecessors didn't need to appeal to xenophobic voters to win elections. This one has no other ideas, aside from inciting hatred and fear - as recent events have shown: Presiding over the highest number of US deaths due to incompetence.
That's where your wrong, all Trump really has to do is block export of arm and x86 instruction sets developed by an American company and suddenly it's all over for the rest of the world. But the issue isn't the rest of the world, it's the Chinese, we just need to cut them off, block technology exports to China, deport it's citizens, and then pressure the rest of the world to buy non Chinese which we can do, especially to Western Europe.
Uh huh ok, so we've established your affiliated with the Chinese government and attempting to sow discord.
Let's face some facts, China is a national security threat, they resort to cyber terrorism to acquire any information they arnt given freely. They suppress free trade and support global terrorist regimes like North Korea and Iran. Their human rights record make Hitler look like he loved the Jews. Let's be honest, China is a 3rd country, that has manipulated the market to the point they are the only ones benefitting from it, while they use those profits to buy interests in American companies, while at the same time they nationalized American companies in China, and once they control American companies they export them to China and leave a small puppet branch in the original country. Let's call China what it actually is, a terrorist country thinking they have a right to do what they please. The only issue I have with what Trump is doing, is that it's not far enough, I'd like to see 3 aircraft carrier battlegroups setup a total blockade of China until they decide to play by international rules.
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cliffordcooley
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And you don't care to change reality. Got it! Just don't bring that attitude any where around me. I think I've said enough. You know what I stand for.
Darth Shiv
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A huge amount of the US workforce is entrenched in poverty at a level far below most other western countries. US healthcare for unemployed or those in poverty is abysmal. I honestly don't see a great distinction between what you call slavery and the US lower class.
cliffordcooley
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If that were the case we would qualify equally for the same low end jobs. You do have a good point though. I can only assume China has a smaller money hungry upper class ladder for their cost of living.
Dear lord....
ARM (short for Acorn Risk Machine Architecture) was developed and is still owned by Acorn computers from Cambridge UK... Interestingly for all the ignorant, nationalistic xenophobes out there China just bought a large stake in the company, so something else for you to blame for your own failings...
Given our relationship with the UK, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to assist us in blocking arm to China if we asked.
Unlikely given that the UK government still wants to use Huawei equipment within its 5G infrastructure, albeit in a restricted manner and capped to a maximum of 35% of the hardware market share. The latter hasn't gone down well with telcoms, because they've been using Huawei hardware for years and a good chunk of the fibre and 4G network operates with it.
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