Chinese artificial sun shatters world record with 1,066-second plasma confinement

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What just happened? China's Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak (EAST), nicknamed the artificial sun, has shattered its own world record for plasma confinement. On Monday, EAST maintained a steady-state high-confinement plasma for an astounding 1,066 seconds, more than doubling its previous record of 403 seconds set in 2023.

The breakthrough by the Institute of Plasma Physics (ASIPP) at the Hefei Institute of Physical Science represents a significant step forward in the quest for fusion power generation. The ability to sustain plasma for over 1,000 seconds is considered a crucial milestone in fusion research, bringing scientists closer to the goal of replicating the sun's nuclear fusion processes for clean, limitless energy production.

For more than seven decades, scientists around the world have been on a quest to harness the power of fusion energy, facing numerous challenges along the way. Key among them has been the need to manage extreme heat, with researchers striving to achieve and maintain temperatures exceeding 100 million degrees Celsius. Scientists have also grappled with operational stability, working to confine plasma for extended periods. The fusion process itself demands exquisite control, requiring the development of sophisticated systems to regulate the intricate dance of atomic nuclei. Perhaps most crucial of all is the pursuit of energy efficiency, as researchers strive to create a fusion reaction that produces more power than it consumes.

While EAST's milestone doesn't address all of these challenges, the record-breaking run demonstrates significant progress in confining plasma for extended periods. "A fusion device must achieve stable operation at high efficiency for thousands of seconds to enable the self-sustaining circulation of plasma, which is essential for the continuous power generation of future fusion plants," explained Song Yuntao, ASIPP director and vice president of HFIPS, adding that the recent record marks a critical step toward realizing a functional fusion reactor.

EAST, which began operations in 2006, is the first tokamak to contain a deuterium plasma using superconducting niobium-titanium toroidal and poloidal magnets. The tokamak maintains plasma in the "H-mode" or high-confinement regime, a state employed by modern tokamaks that results in a sudden improvement of plasma confinement by a factor of two. This achievement is particularly significant for the development of future fusion reactors, including the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) currently under construction in France.

Since joining the ITER program in 2006 as its seventh member, China has been responsible for approximately 9 percent of the project's construction and operation, with ASIPP serving as the primary institution for the Chinese mission.

Gong Xianzu, head of the EAST Physics and Experimental Operations division, said EAST has made several upgrades that helped lead to this success, including new plasma diagnostic tools. The heating system, which originally consumed energy equivalent to nearly 70,000 household microwave ovens, has now doubled its power output while preserving operational stability and continuity.

Now, a new generation of experimental fusion research facilities is under construction in Hefei in the Anhui Province, home to the EAST reactor. They will continue their work of accelerating the development and practical application of fusion energy technology.

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Wait, I thought they've had problems with efficiency, not maintaining stable reaction, no?
Until they actually get a reactor that we can extract energy from I think it is fair to say that everything is a problem.

However, I think what they are trying to say here is that the efficiency that the reaction happens is proportional to the length it can be sustained.
 
I think the biggest hurdle is keeping the thing cool. Dissipating 100 million degrees Celsius, even if you put the thing in space, you have to dissipate the heat away from the containment field/structure.


"A fusion device must achieve stable operation at high efficiency for thousands of seconds to enable the self-sustaining circulation of plasma, which is essential for the continuous power generation"

From the sounds of that statement, I fell that they have already nailed down stability, just need to figure out cooling.
 
I think the biggest hurdle is keeping the thing cool. Dissipating 100 million degrees Celsius, even if you put the thing in space, you have to dissipate the heat away from the containment field/structure.


"A fusion device must achieve stable operation at high efficiency for thousands of seconds to enable the self-sustaining circulation of plasma, which is essential for the continuous power generation"

From the sounds of that statement, I fell that they have already nailed down stability, just need to figure out cooling.

The cooling is going to be from the environment/event horizon that fusion will continuously consume, as it gets bigger.

How do you put the sun out?


 
I think the biggest hurdle is keeping the thing cool. Dissipating 100 million degrees Celsius, even if you put the thing in space, you have to dissipate the heat away from the containment field/structure.


"A fusion device must achieve stable operation at high efficiency for thousands of seconds to enable the self-sustaining circulation of plasma, which is essential for the continuous power generation"

From the sounds of that statement, I fell that they have already nailed down stability, just need to figure out cooling.
They have primarily addressed the need for cooling by containing the plasma in a magnetic field. If the plasma touched the walls of the tokamak, it would destroy it. Here's an interesting, if dated, article about a study that proved heat can be controlled by a magnetic field. https://phys.org/news/2015-03-landmark-magnets.html

No one has yet come up with a means of extracting useful heat from the reaction, AFAIK. They will need to be able to do that, without destroying what they are using to extract the heat, to be able to employ the heat in a useful fashion.

Regardless, this is a major milestone and will likely lead to further advancements in Fusion technology.

The cooling is going to be from the environment/event horizon that fusion will continuously consume, as it gets bigger.

How do you put the sun out?
I"m sure scientists working on the project would disagree with your assumption as that would be a problem they would likely be unable to overcome and make such Fusion research pointless.
 
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I think the biggest hurdle is keeping the thing cool. Dissipating 100 million degrees Celsius, even if you put the thing in space, you have to dissipate the heat away from the containment field/structure.


"A fusion device must achieve stable operation at high efficiency for thousands of seconds to enable the self-sustaining circulation of plasma, which is essential for the continuous power generation"

From the sounds of that statement, I fell that they have already nailed down stability, just need to figure out cooling.

The whole reason for these fancy confinement systems is because you can't cool the millions of degrees Celsius plasma - cooling it would make the fusion itself impossible at these small scales (compared to a star). The reason for the hot temperatures is to overcome the repulsive electromagnetic force between positively charged protons. If they can get the protons close enough to each other for the strong force to take over, then you have fusion, but that requires enormous collision speeds (and also, to do this at scale, you have protons flying around in every which direction, so you kinda have to heat the whole thing up to mitigate the "empty space" and "misses", as opposed to head on collisions). In stars, the attractive force of gravity helps with this, but we can't do that on Earth (since such a configuration would be at least as big as Earth itself).

These things typically are still requiring more energy input than we are extracting from them, only a few experiments have claimed net energy extraction, and of those, none actually had net energy extraction when considering all the power consumption of other aspects of the experiment (for example, this experiment had net energy output compared to the energy sent to the target, but way more energy was used than simply the energy delivered to the target: https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-national-laboratory-makes-history-achieving-fusion-ignition).
 
They have primarily addressed the need for cooling by containing the plasma in a magnetic field. If the plasma touched the walls of the tokamak, it would destroy it. Here's an interesting, if dated, article about a study that proved heat can be controlled by a magnetic field. https://phys.org/news/2015-03-landmark-magnets.html

No one has yet come up with a means of extracting useful heat from the reaction, AFAIK. They will need to be able to do that, without destroying what they are using to extract the heat, to be able to employ the heat in a useful fashion.

Regardless, this is a major milestone and will likely lead to further advancements in Fusion technology.


I"m sure scientists working on the project would disagree with your assumption as that would be a problem they would likely be unable to overcome and make such Fusion research pointless.
always comes back to fundamentals:
-In space u do NOT have to cool anything.
-Fission doesnt work if being "compressed" or "restricted", it's the edge of that reaction & eddie rolling of the plasma has to be free from outside force for proper reaction.

(ie a flame has to flicker)

The difference studying the reaction of smoke in a bottle, verses being free from it. They are just giddy about being able to play with plasma (and look at it briefly), but I do not think sustainable fission reaction will work in "a bottle".


So, I imagine for practical use, Humans on earth making micro-pockets of plasma (using moments of cooling/ ie: containment), to pulse the reactions on an off and taking advantage of the output and energy capture.

Ideas abound.
 
always comes back to fundamentals:
-In space u do NOT have to cool anything.
-Fission doesnt work if being "compressed" or "restricted", it's the edge of that reaction & eddie rolling of the plasma has to be free from outside force for proper reaction.

(ie a flame has to flicker)

The difference studying the reaction of smoke in a bottle, verses being free from it. They are just giddy about being able to play with plasma (and look at it briefly), but I do not think sustainable fission reaction will work in "a bottle".


So, I imagine for practical use, Humans on earth making micro-pockets of plasma (using moments of cooling/ ie: containment), to pulse the reactions on an off and taking advantage of the output and energy capture.

Ideas abound.
All you have to do in this case is turn off the fuel supply. That's how you stop these laboratory "Suns". In the case of a real sun, no one can turn off the fuel supply.

Its a simple problem that some people want to make unduly complex because they lack understanding.

Post support for the conclusions you make if you can find any.

A "flame" is a far different reaction from any kind of nuclear reaction.

In point of fact, a fission reaction will not work without being constrained - especially in a fission bomb. And the control rods in conventional fission reactors prevent neutrons from propagating through the fuel and striking other atoms of fissionable material.
 
We are garbage at fusion thanks to conservatives killing funding. we are at least a full decade behind china in fusion, at least 15 years in thorium reactors that generate magnitudes less toxic waste .. thanks conservatives and god fearing cave dwellers
Absolutely. Conservatives are against any energy technology that does not employ fossil fuels. That's why I'll never vote for another conservative president after having voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980.
 
Absolutely. Conservatives are against any energy technology that does not employ fossil fuels. That's why I'll never vote for another conservative president after having voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980.

That's ludicrous nonsense. The Democratic establishment has always been the key player behind shutting down nuclear and hydro power.

"Democratic Governors Block Bills For New Nuclear Power Plants" - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-nuclear-energy_n_6532accce4b00f9a71cc5381

Dems hate Hydro power too. Here in WA state, they have trying for years to shut down the four Snake River dams. To save the salmon and give the land back to the so called 'native' Americans. They want to replace them with 7000 windmills. I wouldn't mind so much if they put all 7000 windmills on 'native' land.

"The Biden administration pledged to spend $1 billion over the decade to restore native fish and their habitats and to conduct studies on how the services now provided by the dams could be replaced" -
https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/article297313064.html

 
That's ludicrous nonsense. The Democratic establishment has always been the key player behind shutting down nuclear and hydro power.

"Democratic Governors Block Bills For New Nuclear Power Plants" - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-nuclear-energy_n_6532accce4b00f9a71cc5381

Dems hate Hydro power too. Here in WA state, they have trying for years to shut down the four Snake River dams. To save the salmon and give the land back to the so called 'native' Americans. They want to replace them with 7000 windmills. I wouldn't mind so much if they put all 7000 windmills on 'native' land.

"The Biden administration pledged to spend $1 billion over the decade to restore native fish and their habitats and to conduct studies on how the services now provided by the dams could be replaced" -
https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/article297313064.html
There's a difference between "conservative vs liberal" and "Republican vs Democrat".

Both Democrats AND Republicans have been CONSERVATIVE since the 80s... some are just a little less far right than others...
 
Dems hate Hydro power too.
Speaking of exaggeration. Trying to save important natural resources (like Salmon) doesn't mean Democrats hate hydro.
To save the salmon and give the land back to the so called 'native' Americans.
So called? That implies that they aren't native Americans. That would be incorrect.
They want to replace them with 7000 windmills. I wouldn't mind so much if they put all 7000 windmills on native land.
You had nothing to worry about. No one was going to force you to put up a windmill on your property.
 
1000 seconds is an arbitrary number, not "a crucial milestone in fusion research".

A crucial milestone would be keeping the reaction long enough for the produced energy to exceed the consumed energy
 
Who dares to say China copied this tech from US...?!
In these times, I think it would be more daring to say it wasn't.

All you have to do in this case is turn off the fuel supply. That's how you stop these laboratory "Suns". In the case of a real sun, no one can turn off the fuel supply.
Give me time! :D

Absolutely. Conservatives are against any energy technology that does not employ fossil fuels.
Hey I'm in Little Rock man.
I am surrounded by people that consistently and happily vote against their own interests every chance they get. Just look at southern red state education, health care, wages and quality of life stat's for proof. In fact, in Texas, Tennessee and Mississippi the minimum wage is $2.25 an hour less than in Puerto Rico!
 
We are garbage at fusion thanks to conservatives killing funding. we are at least a full decade behind china in fusion, at least 15 years in thorium reactors that generate magnitudes less toxic waste .. thanks conservatives and god fearing cave dwellers
I am pretty sure that the funding would somehow end up as it did with promoting EVs, with people who are wealthy enough to afford them getting credit to make them even more affordable.
If someone asked me to name out of my head two things that will not bepractical in a long time, I would say quantum computers and this thing with plasma.
 
That's ludicrous nonsense. The Democratic establishment has always been the key player behind shutting down nuclear and hydro power.

"Democratic Governors Block Bills For New Nuclear Power Plants" - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-nuclear-energy_n_6532accce4b00f9a71cc5381

Dems hate Hydro power too. Here in WA state, they have trying for years to shut down the four Snake River dams. To save the salmon and give the land back to the so called 'native' Americans. They want to replace them with 7000 windmills. I wouldn't mind so much if they put all 7000 windmills on 'native' land.

"The Biden administration pledged to spend $1 billion over the decade to restore native fish and their habitats and to conduct studies on how the services now provided by the dams could be replaced" -
https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/article297313064.html

Ancient news - and two governors is hardly Democrats in general. Democrats are increasingly supporting nuclear power.

And I'm sure this article will be a shock and a surprise to many - https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-nuclear-energy-popular-democrats-1944649
Just don't overgeneralize it to "Democrats Love Trump" because they clearly do not like many aspects of, to borrow the phrase from @scavengerspc, Donnie Dumb Dumb.
 
always comes back to fundamentals:
-In space u do NOT have to cool anything.
-Fission doesnt work if being "compressed" or "restricted", it's the edge of that reaction & eddie rolling of the plasma has to be free from outside force for proper reaction.

(ie a flame has to flicker)

The difference studying the reaction of smoke in a bottle, verses being free from it. They are just giddy about being able to play with plasma (and look at it briefly), but I do not think sustainable fission reaction will work in "a bottle".


So, I imagine for practical use, Humans on earth making micro-pockets of plasma (using moments of cooling/ ie: containment), to pulse the reactions on an off and taking advantage of the output and energy capture.

Ideas abound.

OMG You're asserting gibberish and talking about "fundamentals" at the same time 🤣🤡 Why do people who have no knowledge of even basic physics think they need to flaunt their ignorance?! Why are you droning on about fission?

Another case in point: It's actually incredibly hard to cool things in deep, empty space since there's nothing to conduct the heat away *sigh* 🙄
 
Why do people who have no knowledge of even basic physics think they need to flaunt their ignorance?! Why are you droning on about fission?
I know TO!! Pick me!! :joy:

 
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