Great now remove Denuvo from all games. It is known to cause worse performance for people that actually buys the game. DRM should never affect the actual buyers. Flawed DRM.
Denuvo may have reached the end as every protected PC game is now crackable
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Vanderlinde
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Goal of Denuvo was never to stop pirating, but to stop pirating at new released games, so people would actually buy it.
vicsrealms
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To many problems and bad experiences with it. It is the fastest way to get me to close my wallet on a game purchase. I already refuse to buy games day one or pre-order, and typically wait for a Steam sale to make a purchase.
Yeah but the thing is the bypass take more or less a few hours to setup max. And if we get the game folder early from pre dl or leak its even worse since pragmata crack was online 2 days before the game release.
You should not work at Denuvo or be a game publisher to have those thoughts:
Yes I am happy to know that Denuvo is "obliviated", and you are right to say "...you’re no more at risk than you are playing ANY pirated game", because I don't know how people 'trust' cracked games on their computers; nobody knows what malware/spyware/viruses are hidden, and since years malware can infect computers very deeply that a simple format can't remove them. UEFI malware, firmware malware, even router firmware malware, if a device is infected, the best way to be sure it is clean is to get rid of it...
GeforcerFX
Posts: 1,141 +622
A game has to be under or around $5 for me to buy it on Steam otherwise I grab it on GOG where DLC is gone from day one.
Squid Surprise
Posts: 7,882 +8,180
You don’t understand the scene… official releases don’t have malware/viruses… and there’s an active community to make sure it stays that way. Just be sure to download from trusted sources. And maybe do some research before you post false information
Theinsanegamer
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That's a contradictory statement. "My goal in speeding wasn't to drive fast, it was to arrive at my destination faster".
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OP
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You don’t understand the scene… official releases don’t have malware/viruses… and there’s an active community to make sure it stays that way. Just be sure to download from trusted sources. And maybe do some research before you post false information
Though DenuvOwO and Voices38 are in the open, strictly speaking they don't do their releases in the "scene". Which is a completely different beast compared to publicly available piracy forums or subreddits
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Squid Surprise
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I was waiting for someone to point that out - but the person I was replying to clearly has no idea about any of that…Though DenuvOwO and Voices38 are in the open, strictly speaking they don't do their releases in the "scene". Which is a completely different beast compared to publicly available piracy forums or subreddits
Gravitytr1
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I wonder what this means for the scene as a whole?Though DenuvOwO and Voices38 are in the open, strictly speaking they don't do their releases in the "scene". Which is a completely different beast compared to publicly available piracy forums or subreddits
OP
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Either they don't care, or they could try to recruit Voices38 or DenuvOwO for their "secret club"-like childish games :-D
I don't see what anti-Denuvo crack developers would do there, but I don't know the Scene enough to express a particularly informed opinion on the matter...
arrowflash
Posts: 743 +1,001
Obviously this isn't the end for Denuvo or Irdeto, they will come up with workarounds. voices38 himself has already claimed there are several ways Irdeto can come up with new DRM, either as a new version of Denuvo or a new solution, that will require completely new cracking methods/bypasses.
That goes for any pirated game, though. Very few non-legitimate copies of games, even games that never used DRM, have working online features.
To me looks like the scene nowadays is on life support, if that. Groups/people like voices38, DenuvOwO, EMPRESS, etc. have pretty much replaced the scene.
When was the last time one of the old school style "scene" groups have cracked and released any game with any form of DRM? Unless people still count the basic SteamDRM as DRM.
But enough about Denuvo.
That goes for any pirated game, though. Very few non-legitimate copies of games, even games that never used DRM, have working online features.
To me looks like the scene nowadays is on life support, if that. Groups/people like voices38, DenuvOwO, EMPRESS, etc. have pretty much replaced the scene.
When was the last time one of the old school style "scene" groups have cracked and released any game with any form of DRM? Unless people still count the basic SteamDRM as DRM.
But enough about Denuvo.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024...-percent-of-revenue-according-to-a-new-study/
The true cost of game piracy: 20 percent of revenue, according to a new study
Hypervisors can be dangerous, but not for those reasons. Hypervisors control virtual machines. They can tamper with secure boot, leaving traces left behind if an unsuspecting person doesn't know how to go into the bios and release their secure boot (Disable/enabled with a fresh OS install. Like anything else, if you don't trust the source, it would be ridiculous to put a hypervisor on your PC not knowing what it does. A kernel is the membrane of an OS, not behind an OS. A membrane can interact with the BIOS, hardware and software, but it can't change the BIOS. Secure Boot is a writeable portion of the BIOS that holds Secure keys for OSes. This often prevents malware, but in this case could become to malware, or traces left behind and it's more likely that it would be used to create VMs that would be used in botnets for DDOS than it would be a script that runs around stealing your session keys and getting into your accounts.
The funniest part of the hypervisor bypass is that it doesn't even bother removing Denuvo — it just politely lies to it. "Yes sir, totally legit copy, carry on." The DRM is still there, fully intact, completely fooled. It's like beating a lie detector by being an incredibly confident liar.
Northy
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I've bought software before and ended up using cracked versions of that same software because it runs better without the intrusive DRM, then never bought a newer version of that software.
I can't imagine this getting through to "executives" though. They just can't see the bigger picture.
I can't imagine this getting through to "executives" though. They just can't see the bigger picture.
Squid Surprise
Posts: 7,882 +8,180
2024 is not new… and the problem with that study (and pretty much every other one), is that it’s impossible to know what the SAME game would generate if it didn’t have Denuvo vs whether it did.
You can extrapolate sales data (which even the study’s author said was flawed), but you can’t know the “truth” unless you could somehow sell the game unprotected, then go back in time and sell it protected… so, barring parallel worlds being exploited, we’ll never really know.
Gravitytr1
Posts: 229 +135
I bought a game specifically from Microsoft that refused to launch and steam refused to refund it. Only way to play it was pirating, AND wouldn't need to deal with the Microsoft account!
disinfect8280
Posts: 105 +49
LOL how do you know a source is trusted? As if that's guaranteed when you pirate. Don't kid yourself.
From personal experience, the only time over ~20yrs I ever had a virus on my personal PC was when I was using pirated software back when I was younger and more foolish (and more broke). However it's not worth saving a few bucks to risk your entire digital life (which contains your life nowadays). Just get it on a Steam sale if you can't afford it at release. I guess if you have a dedicated PC for gaming only, there's not much risk other than stealing your gaming account login, which can still be a significant risk.
That said, I support their efforts to crack Denuvo and other invasive DRM which are anti-consumer. I don't agree with companies punishing paying customers.
Squid Surprise
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If you know what you’re doing, you know when a source is trusted. If you got it from a sketchy website vs a trusted private torrent site you’d know as well….
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