Elon Musk demands SpaceX and Tesla employees spend a minimum of 40hrs/week in the office,...

Status
Not open for further replies.

stewi0001

Posts: 2,764   +2,528
Work does make the rest of your life possible. Don't forget someone pays you and unless you were recruited and begged to work for Acme you asked them for a job and said yes to their conditions.
Like I stated, I work to live. Yes, I know that someone pays me. I believe you have misinterpreted my main case in point being that, depending on the type of work obviously, that he should be more concerned about having good people in leadership positions than if people are in the office 40 hours a week.
 
bye bye then there is at least 10000 others that will want the job and willing to show up every day for work.
I have observed the opposite at my job - we have to offer hybrid work to stay competitive. It really depends on the industry and the leadership in the company. I work in IT so I can essentially work from anywhere with a stable internet connection. But I do comply with my 2 days a week even though I can do my job perfectly well at home. Not thrilled to see my co-workers but 2 days is certainly a hell of a lot better than 5! lol
 

AlaskaGuy

Posts: 397   +302
Well, that's a terrible example of how much people should work. Hope you got something to show for it.
Anything after 8 hours a day is OT, anything after 40 hours a week is OT. At $32.50 an hour before OT kicks in ... do the math. They pay for the plane flights to and from work, live in a mancamp w/maid service, all the food you can eat including prime rib, halibut, NY steak, salad bar, desert bar, etc .. and the company pays for it all including Arctic work gear. It's manual labor outside in the elements and not the kind of work for blokes with a low testosterone level.
 

BuckarooBonzai

Posts: 123   +82
With all the things he has going for him in the industry, kind of wonder if he has other plans or ideas in terms of work force for him to say leave if you don't like it.
 

Eldritch

Posts: 437   +701
This is only sounds good if the leader himself (in this case Mr. Musk) stays and follows the same protocols that he sets for his employees/workers.

Except it doesn't work like that. They will go out for 'executive meetings' aka lunches, golf, drinks, parties, even cruises and that's them working. On company time and dime.

Workers, meanwhile, commute at their own cost and work whole day non stop and even in night they are unable to sleep at home due to anxiety and stress to meet targets.
 

Nobina

Posts: 3,831   +4,278
Anything after 8 hours a day is OT, anything after 40 hours a week is OT. At $32.50 an hour before OT kicks in ... do the math. They pay for the plane flights to and from work, live in a mancamp w/maid service, all the food you can eat including prime rib, halibut, NY steak, salad bar, desert bar, etc .. and the company pays for it all including Arctic work gear. It's manual labor outside in the elements and not the kind of work for blokes with a low testosterone level.
That's great and all but now your back is fcked. If you think it was worth it then I can't argue against that.

On topic, imagine working in a place where your coworkers don't even show up or are just pretending to work. I'm sure then you'll realise why this isn't a lot to ask from employees. it's the bare minimum.
 

rmcrys

Posts: 197   +161
So we have to sit through *another* thread in which people are unable to substantiate the alleged increase in efficiency and productivity by working "In office" when most works can just be done remotely?

Or maybe we should just make a few jokes about Elon being so thoroughly despised he has to pull off a Michael Scott move to have some degree of social interaction.

The issue is that, if he uses social media / attention to increase companies´ value, it goes same way when he decides "X".

Each company is free to decide how they want their workers to work, so Musk´s companies are the same.

 

Dimitriid

Posts: 2,216   +4,268
The issue is that, if he uses social media / attention to increase companies´ value, it goes same way when he decides "X".

Each company is free to decide how they want their workers to work, so Musk´s companies are the same.
Only because there's currently no workers union at Tesla, something they should explicitly do to avoid both these things and if you want to know why Elon is adamant about union busting efforts, well you just explained it very well.
 

Endymio

Posts: 1,642   +1,642
Except it doesn't work like that. [Executives] will go out for 'executive meetings' aka lunches, golf, drinks, parties, even cruises and that's them working. On company time and dime.

Workers, meanwhile, commute at their own cost and work whole day non stop and even in night they are unable to sleep at home due to anxiety and stress to meet targets.
Only someone who's never worked at the executive level would write such tripe. I'm retired now, but during my time, 70, 80, or more hours a week was commonplace ... for which I received exactly zero additional compensation. Calls and emails were answered up to and sometimes past midnight and on weekends, and holidays, in restaurants and at sports events for truly urgent matters; and once, I had to leave my family alone halfway through a vacation in Europe, to fly back and address a company emergency.

As for Musk, during Tesla's early days, he brought a sleeping bag and slept on the factory floor, working essentially 24x7 to ensure a smooth startup. I realize there are those of you who consider it fulfilling to spend every spare moment of your lives playing Counterstrike and Grand Theft Auto, rather than something productive. Fine. But please, don't whine about how overworked you are because you occasionally may have to show your face behind a desk.
 

Eldritch

Posts: 437   +701
Only someone who's never worked at the executive level would write such tripe. I'm retired now, but during my time, 70, 80, or more hours a week was commonplace ... for which I received exactly zero additional compensation. Calls and emails were answered up to and sometimes past midnight and on weekends, and holidays, in restaurants and at sports events for truly urgent matters; and once, I had to leave my family alone halfway through a vacation in Europe, to fly back and address a company emergency.

As for Musk, during Tesla's early days, he brought a sleeping bag and slept on the factory floor, working essentially 24x7 to ensure a smooth startup. I realize there are those of you who consider it fulfilling to spend every spare moment of your lives playing Counterstrike and Grand Theft Auto, rather than something productive. Fine. But please, don't whine about how overworked you are because you occasionally may have to show your face behind a desk.
Were you the CEO? No?
Isn't Musk the CEO? Yes?
Please first understand the context and what is written before inflicting your half baked opinions on world.
 

Ohnooze

Posts: 235   +455
Man I miss the 80s and 90s so much. This comment section has just reminded me how absolutely spoiled, lazy and weak we have become. I mean people comparing death to working 40 hours a week in the office....really? Nothing wrong with working from home if possible but the "you owe it to me" attitude of this worthless generation is truly disappointing.
 

Endymio

Posts: 1,642   +1,642
Were you the CEO? No?
Isn't Musk the CEO? Yes?
Why is it logic is so difficult for the modern generation? Your claim was that Musk was working his poor employees to death, while spending his time swilling down margaritas on luxury cruises. No one on the planet works harder than an entrepreneurial CEO -- the successful ones, at least. Someone like Musk essentially works non-stop. He can be mid-plunge into Amber Heard, and if a problem arises that needs his attention, he's going to climb off and handle it.

From Business Insider:

"...the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX makes his home base wherever his current problem is: "I always move my desk to wherever — I don't really have a desk actually — I move myself to wherever the biggest problem is in Tesla," Musk said during Tesla's third-quarter earnings call. "I really believe that one should lead from the front lines, and that's why I'm here."

...in the same call, he revealed he had been sleeping on the Gigafactory floor-- with a cold...."
 

thehacker

Posts: 116   +3
For every person that quits because they have to actually show up for work there are 1000's of people more than willing to fill each spot for every person that quits because they feel they should be able to stay at home and work from their. None of this was ever an issue until Covid came along and people got spoiled because for the last few years they were allowed to stay at home and do whatever they wanted to without supervision from their higher up's. That time has passed it's time to put on the big boy/girl pants man or woman up and show up for work like millions of others have had to do.

I do not like Musk but he has a point here.
LOL, you seem to be either a Musk faboy or from China and enjoyed Chinese labour laws. No, people were not spoilt due to Covid. People always wanted to WFH if the work can be done remotely. But the edgy bosses never allowed so. Now that they were forced to, due to covid, they need support of a few family-less maniacs to call everyone back to office for no reason.
 

Avro Arrow

Posts: 2,432   +2,946
TechSpot Elite
Man I miss the 80s and 90s so much. This comment section has just reminded me how absolutely spoiled, lazy and weak we have become. I mean people comparing death to working 40 hours a week in the office....really? Nothing wrong with working from home if possible but the "you owe it to me" attitude of this worthless generation is truly disappointing.
Oh man, you're really doing yourself no favours with that insane statement. If you were working in the 80s then you're probably a Boomer which means that YOU are of the worthless generation. YOU enjoyed things like powerful unions, wild Christmas office parties, a sturdy benefits package, vacation and sick days and a whole other slew of things that corporations ceased to offer their employees in the name of increasing their bottom lines (when they were already quite healthy to begin with).

When it comes to how employees are paid and treated, the conditions of the 80s and 90s would be considered a pipe-dream today. All you've done is show just how out-of-touch your generation is with modern reality. I miss the 90s too because employers were A LOT more generous with what people were paid than they are today. The only people who make meaningfully more money than they did back then are executives and their pay increases have been obscene when compared to the lack of pay increases for everyone below them.

Here's how productive people like you were back in the 80s compared with today and you can also see what the wage increase over the same time period was.
23410.jpeg

Today's generation is owed a lot more than just working from home. Compared to today, your generation in the 80s and 90s looks pathetic from a productivity standpoint and like a bunch of thieves from a pay standpoint. People today are more than twice as productive as your lazy generation was but isn't really paid any more than you were. Your hypocrisy is so blatantly obvious that I'm literally shocked that you were brave enough to post such crap. You're either as ignorant as a pig farmer or you have your own agenda to push. Either way, you've just been exposed.
 

Endymio

Posts: 1,642   +1,642
Here's how productive people like you were back in the 80s compared with today
This is quite literally the most inane chain of pseudo-reasoning I've seen in months. The average farmer, say, of today is a thousand times more productive than one from the 1800s -- despite the fact that they work far less hours, and with far less effort. Why? Technological advances.

The fact that you're posting this from a computer on the Internet makes it even more amusingly ironic that you fail to acknowledge the productivity gains those two minor little inventions have had on worker productivity since the 1980s. Not to mention a thousand other innovations.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.