Elon Musk demands SpaceX and Tesla employees spend a minimum of 40hrs/week in the office,...

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Ohnooze

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Oh man, you're really doing yourself no favours with that insane statement. If you were working in the 80s then you're probably a Boomer which means that YOU are of the worthless generation. YOU enjoyed things like powerful unions, wild Christmas office parties, a sturdy benefits package, vacation and sick days and a whole other slew of things that corporations ceased to offer their employees in the name of increasing their bottom lines (when they were already quite healthy to begin with).

When it comes to how employees are paid and treated, the conditions of the 80s and 90s would be considered a pipe-dream today. All you've done is show just how out-of-touch your generation is with modern reality. I miss the 90s too because employers were A LOT more generous with what people were paid than they are today. The only people who make meaningfully more money than they did back then are executives and their pay increases have been obscene when compared to the lack of pay increases for everyone below them.

Here's how productive people like you were back in the 80s compared with today and you can also see what the wage increase over the same time period was.
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Today's generation is owed a lot more than just working from home. Compared to today, your generation in the 80s and 90s looks pathetic from a productivity standpoint and like a bunch of thieves from a pay standpoint. People today are more than twice as productive as your lazy generation was but isn't really paid any more than you were. Your hypocrisy is so blatantly obvious that I'm literally shocked that you were brave enough to post such crap. You're either as ignorant as a pig farmer or you have your own agenda to push. Either way, you've just been exposed.
You just wasted a bunch of time with that post. I said I missed the 80s and 90s because of the attitude of the employees today. This feeling of entitlement and over dramatic meltdown for something as simple as having to go into the office. I actually didn't get into the work force until the mid 90s but the general attitude of that time was work hard and do what you have to, to move up in the world. Today's attitude seems to be "you owe me".
As far as your chart goes that says absolutely nothing about the productivity or work habits of individuals. We are far more efficient today than we were due to technology. For example in my business (engineering) we no long have to do calculations by hand....we have computer programs to model it all out and spit out numbers. Also we no long draw construction drawings by hand but had CAD and 3d programs that have made things far easier and faster. You're delusional if you really think your generation is more productive due to work habits. It's simply not the lest bit true...I see it every day. We literally fired a guy a few months back because he decided he would come in the office only when he wanted to. Then we fired him he told us how "his generation wasn't going to put up with this ****". This new generation is full entitled and lazy people who don't want to work. Not everyone is that way obviously but it's a growing trend for sure.

EDIT: I have been exposed? Really...? lol
 

Eldritch

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Why is it logic is so difficult for the modern generation? Your claim was that Musk was working his poor employees to death, while spending his time swilling down margaritas on luxury cruises. No one on the planet works harder than an entrepreneurial CEO -- the successful ones, at least. Someone like Musk essentially works non-stop. He can be mid-plunge into Amber Heard, and if a problem arises that needs his attention, he's going to climb off and handle it.

From Business Insider:

"...the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX makes his home base wherever his current problem is: "I always move my desk to wherever — I don't really have a desk actually — I move myself to wherever the biggest problem is in Tesla," Musk said during Tesla's third-quarter earnings call. "I really believe that one should lead from the front lines, and that's why I'm here."

...in the same call, he revealed he had been sleeping on the Gigafactory floor-- with a cold...."
Ok Boomer.
 

Eldritch

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OMG I would seriously take that as a massive compliment. Can I be a boomer too?
If not standing up to being exploited, bowing down to others and lacking the courage to ask for your rights is something for you to be proud of, then sure you are the Boomer. Enjoy.
 

Eldritch

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Your capitulation and apology are accepted. It's gratifying to see you had the character to admit you were mistaken.
Might want to look at definition of Ok boomer at Urban Dictionary. Here, let me help you.

 

Ohnooze

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If not standing up to being exploited, bowing down to others and lacking the courage to ask for your rights is something for you to be proud of, then sure you are the Boomer. Enjoy.
Uhh....that's not what I would say a boomer is. To me a boomer less lazy, more moral and less self serving than the current generation. But then you get your information from Urban dictionary so.....
 

Eldritch

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Uhh....that's not what I would say a boomer is. To me a boomer less lazy, more moral and less self serving than the current generation. But then you get your information from Urban dictionary so.....
Your remarks say otherwise. Let me trigger you further, I end my work at 5.45 and rated among the top performers in state. Boomers sitting in office till 7.45 are nowhere near.
 

Eldritch

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A plethora of incendiary personal insults, followed by rampant braggadocio. You're racking up quite a character sketch.
So is boomer a compliment or insult? You seem to be confused.
Let me be clear, courage is standing up for right. Not kowtowing before your boss. That's subservience and cowardice.

People, deserve fair wages, personal time, leaves and a say in affairs esp when it involves them directly. This does not mean their work ethics are poor.
This mean people are more aware and courageous.
 
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Ohnooze

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Your remarks say otherwise. Let me trigger you further, I end my work at 5.45 and rated among the top performers in state. Boomers sitting in office till 7.45 are nowhere near.
You're not triggering me lol.
That's all that's worth responding to...
 

Endymio

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People, [sic] deserve fair wages, personal time, leaves [sic]and a say in affairs ...
No employee "deserves" any say in a company's affairs, no more than your neighbor deserves a say in what you do inside your own home. Did the entire concept of personal property rights escape you?

As for "fair" wages, that's the traditional rallying cry of those too slow-witted to work smart, and too lazy to work hard. It's human nature for such individuals to desire a short-cut to prosperity. Unfortunately, every such attempt to give them one has failed with spectacularly disastrous results.

So is boomer a compliment or insult? You seem to be confused.
You made clear you intended an insult; don't attempt to play coy now. Your statements about Musk were disproven, and you lashed out petulantly in response. Best to just let that dog lie.
 

Ohnooze

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So is boomer a compliment or insult? You seem to be confused.
Let me be clear, courage is standing up for right. Not kowtowing before your boss. That's subservience and cowardice.

People, deserve fair wages, personal time, leaves and a say in affairs esp when it involves them directly. This does not mean their work ethics are poor.
This mean people are more aware and courageous.
Just because you you believe in working hard and going above and beyond does mean you're "kowtowing before your boss".
And you deserve only what you agreed to when you take the job. Though I completely support a professional work environment.
 

MyIOnU

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The world is full of entitled children. You get paid for full-time, but you do not want to work full-time? They all got hired to work full-time at the office, not at home. There are many people abuse working remotely. Some don't even work at all. A task that only takes me couple hours to complete, but a guy in my team took it more than a day. Every time you ping them, it takes more than 30 mins for them to reply.

There are many jobs that offer to work hybrid or remotely right now. If that is what you want, go and apply for them.
 

Eldritch

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No employee "deserves" any say in a company's affairs, no more than your neighbor deserves a say in what you do inside your own home. Did the entire concept of personal property rights escape you?

As for "fair" wages, that's the traditional rallying cry of those too slow-witted to work smart, and too lazy to work hard. It's human nature for such individuals to desire a short-cut to prosperity. Unfortunately, every such attempt to give them one has failed with spectacularly disastrous results.

You made clear you intended an insult; don't attempt to play coy now. Your statements about Musk were disproven, and you lashed out petulantly in response. Best to just let that dog lie.
Jeez, so you don't get to have a say in affairs that directly pertain to you?
You are not anyone's personal property. You contribute to it and you create it. Have some self respect.

Reminds me of a saying :
A good slave, learns to love the leash.
 

Eldritch

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The world is full of entitled children. You get paid for full-time, but you do not want to work full-time? They all got hired to work full-time at the office, not at home. There are many people abuse working remotely. Some don't even work at all. A task that only takes me couple hours to complete, but a guy in my team took it more than a day. Every time you ping them, it takes more than 30 mins for them to reply.

There are many jobs that offer to work hybrid or remotely right now. If that is what you want, go and apply for them.
Ok boomer.
 

Ohnooze

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Ok boomer.
I know you are not talking to me...though I love being a boomer....but you're not even making points. "Ok boomer" isn't saying anything worthy of a real reply.
He at least made logical points in his post.
 

Eldritch

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I know you are not talking to me...though I love being a boomer....but you're not even making points. "Ok boomer" isn't saying anything worthy of a real reply.
He at least made logical points in his post.
Ok boomer is perfect reply to the expired drivel you were peddling. Have a spine or not, your life your choice, but would you kindly stop extolling virtues of subservience and unquestioning obedience to your masters.
You are in a business relationship with them. You are not a servant or slave. Why can't you have an say in matters that directly affect you?
 

Endymio

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Have a spine or not...
Whining and stamping your foot when your lollipop is taken does not equate to having a spine. It's the exact opposite, in fact.

You are not a servant or slave. Why can't you have an say in matters that directly affect you?
You have a say. If you don't like your terms of employment, you're free to quit. And, by the way, you're not a slave, but you are a servant. It is, in fact, the legal doctrine of master-servant that allows an employer to be sued for their employee's actions.
 

captaincranky

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"The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) states that any work over 40 hours in a 168 hour period is counted as overtime, since the average American work week is 40 hours - that's eight hours per day for five days a week. However, many employees work unusual shifts and go above and beyond this standard, putting in more than the average 40 hours. These are a few things you should know about hours and overtime labor laws."
I think there's a way around that, based on whether an employee is considered an "hourly worker", or a "salaried employee".
 

Ohnooze

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Ok boomer is perfect reply to the expired drivel you were peddling. Have a spine or not, your life your choice, but would you kindly stop extolling virtues of subservience and unquestioning obedience to your masters.
You are in a business relationship with them. You are not a servant or slave. Why can't you have an say in matters that directly affect you?
I don't think you understand what was are saying. I'm not promoting that you just bend over and take it if you're treated unfairly or in an inappropriate way.
But if you hired on and agreed to work from the office 40 hours a week then you don't have much to complain about.
 
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