FDA: If youth e-cigarette use doesn't decline, it will be banned

Mike89

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I was an avid smokers for a long long time. I then quit and a couple of years later starting vaping. Vaped a couple of years and then started having my chest hurt after a long day of vaping. I finally wised up and quit vaping too. Now I just breathe air which is what my lungs were designed for. Took me a lot of years of my life to figure that out. People think vaping is harmless. Wait for years to accumulate for the actual affects of prolonged vaping start to come in and and people are going to see how stupid they were vaping. The pure volume alone of a single vape into the lungs is multiple times more than the equivalent drag of a cigarette. And people who don't think the lungs having to continuously clear that volume of vape over years isn't going to have any kind of effect on the body are only fooling themselves. I used to be pro vape, now I'm anti cigarettes and anti vape. This is not a good thing we are introducing to our youth. We created a ticking bomb with cigarettes and now we've created another one with vaping.
 

cliffordcooley

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Might as well give our kids knives and let them screen play as Chucky. Seriously; if we are not going to moderate ourselves. And continually encourage our youth to pickup bad habits.
 
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144hzGamer

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I was an avid smokers for a long long time. I then quit and a couple of years later starting vaping. Vaped a couple of years and then started having my chest hurt after a long day of vaping. I finally wised up and quit vaping too. Now I just breathe air which is what my lungs were designed for. Took me a lot of years of my life to figure that out. People think vaping is harmless. Wait for years to accumulate for the actual affects of prolonged vaping start to come in and and people are going to see how stupid they were vaping. The pure volume alone of a single vape into the lungs is multiple times more than the equivalent drag of a cigarette. And people who don't think the lungs having to continuously clear that volume of vape over years isn't going to have any kind of effect on the body are only fooling themselves. I used to be pro vape, now I'm anti cigarettes and anti vape. This is not a good thing we are introducing to our youth. We created a ticking bomb with cigarettes and now we've created another one with vaping.
Factual evidence that in some years there will be lung problems? 0. In china people vape for 15 years and we are yet to see someone dying because of it.
 
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cliffordcooley

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I didn't think we had evidence of people dying after 15 years of smoking either. That however says nothing for ones health during those 15 years.

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BTW how many packs do you smoke a day. We know you smoke/vape, if you are not against the habits.
 
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Bubbajim

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I didn't think we had evidence of people dying after 15 years of smoking either. That however says nothing for ones health during those 15 years.

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BTW how many packs do you smoke a day. We know you smoke/vape, if you are not against the habits.
You don't have to do something to support someone else's right to do that thing. You can be tee-total and understand others can drink if they like. I haven't touched fast-food in about 15 years, doesn't mean I want others to stop eating McShite even if that would be beneficial for their health.
 
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cliffordcooley

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Comparing apples to oranges again. People have to eat. People have to drive. People do not have to smoke or vape. Both of which are undeniably unhealthy. You keep bringing up food and driving as if that could be an option. It is not and never will be an option to ban. What people choose to eat doesn't bother me in the slightest. I am however bothered by a reminder of what I used to do from second hand smoke and vaping. I am reminded of all those days I ignored the fact I was doing the same to others that didn't participate in the stupid ritual of contaminating their body. The stance you have taken makes you selfish. You think nothing of others. The fact that you are not alone is the reason we continue to have this problem. And yes it is a problem, else why would we have topics such as this article.
 
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Bubbajim

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What people choose to eat doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Despite obesity being one of the biggest killers in the Western world?
People have to eat. People have to drive. People do not have to smoke or vape.
You're trying to force this into a 'have to' frame, but it's not about what people have to do, its' about what people are free to choose to do. This is why I'm mainly countering with alcohol and fast-food examples - people don't NEED to drink alcohol, they don't need to eat terrible fast food, but they're free to choose to do so.

I am however bothered by a reminder of what I used to do from second hand smoke and vaping. I am reminded of all those days I ignored the fact I was doing the same to others that didn't participate in the stupid ritual of contaminating their body. The stance you have taken makes you selfish. You think nothing of others.
You started the paragraph by saying that others' predilections are a problem for you because they remind you of what you used to do. And then you've surmised that I am selfish because I don't want to take away someone's right to do what they want with their life. Everybody dies, and if in their (hopefully) 80-ish years on this planet they want to do something that's bad for them that they enjoy, I say that's up to them. I do not believe it's selfish to do so, but if you'd like to try and convince me I'd be interested to hear more.
 
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gollum21

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I used to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day for years. Tried cold turkey multiple times, patches, and gum too. Even tried vaping but didn't like it mainly because my throat was still irritated from regular cigs and I had a bad ecig device. Then I got myself a decent vape setup and stuck with it for a few days without cigs and I started to enjoy it. I'm still hooked on nicotine but at least I haven't had a regular cig in well over a year now. Now if I walk into a smoker's house I can actually feel the difference in my lungs again like before I started smoking. I can say with confidence I will never smoke a cigarette again. My next goal is to quit nicotine completely
 
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senketsu

I didn't think we had evidence of people dying after 15 years of smoking either. That however says nothing for ones health during those 15 years.

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BTW how many packs do you smoke a day. We know you smoke/vape, if you are not against the habits.
people forget how ubiquitous smoking was and how many decades it took to change public opinion. For decades we had the cigarette companies promoting, doctors stating there were no ill health effects etc.
You could smoke on airplanes, movie theatres, in school (university), I saw a documentary, the officer was smoking in a submarine! Took decades to convince people smoking was bad for you.15 years, tis nothing
 
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pit1209

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Despite obesity being one of the biggest killers in the Western world?

You're trying to force this into a 'have to' frame, but it's not about what people have to do, its' about what people are free to choose to do. This is why I'm mainly countering with alcohol and fast-food examples - people don't NEED to drink alcohol, they don't need to eat terrible fast food, but they're free to choose to do so.

You started the paragraph by saying that others' predilections are a problem for you because they remind you of what you used to do. And then you've surmised that I am selfish because I don't want to take away someone's right to do what they want with their life. Everybody dies, and if in their (hopefully) 80-ish years on this planet they want to do something that's bad for them that they enjoy, I say that's up to them. I do not believe it's selfish to do so, but if you'd like to try and convince me I'd be interested to hear more.
I understand what you're trying to say but we need to see this not in the individualistic sense but as a society. This is not just letting people being free to choose whatever they like, this is about educating people, specially the young ones about something that it's sold as safe when it is not and can be in fact very harmful for you and others. I mean it can be sold but not promoted as something that is not, that's why we have people here saying that vaping it's not harmful and we are not talking about a disorder like it can be with food or even alcohol which I also don't like, we are talking about a very addictive substance from the get go that is not necessary in any way to live.
 

James00007

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1 Billion Tobacco deaths this century if trends continue. Advocates who support free and unhindered access to the full range of e-cigarette (vaping) products will help to enable the single most important advance in public health since the discovery of antibiotics: in one small country alone, full support for this approach has the potential to save millions of lives just among those alive today.
 

James00007

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can be in fact very harmful for you and others.
Harmful has a scale and vaping is very low on that scale unlike say walking down a street with traffic.

we are talking about a very addictive substance from the get go that is not necessary in any way to live.
Addictive substance that's not necessary like caffeine, sugar and alcohol. Life would be pretty miserable if we didn't enjoy the things that are not necessary. But in actual fact it is necessary in helping stop 1 billion people dying this century.
 

James00007

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I suggest you take a read of the ingredients that are found in this junk. Actually worse than cigarette's if you can believe it. Frankly, a total ban on anything that can be taken into the lungs other than prescribed materials needs to be put into effect as it has NO beneficial value and only promotes more disease .... unfortunate, but true.
The Royal College of Physicans (the most prestigious medical group in the world) say that vaping (e-cigs) are 95%+ safer than smoking. I suggest you take a read of some real science and know what you are talking about before putting out factless information that could literately cause harm.
https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/news/promote-e-cigarettes-widely-substitute-smoking-says-new-rcp-report
 

James00007

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I wacthed my grandmother smoke herself into a tracheotomy and eventual death.

I don't need any empirical evidence to know not to smoke ANYTHING for any reason.
"The growing mountain of scientific and empirical evidence consistently indicates that e-cigarettes:
- are 99% (+/-1%) less hazardous than cigarettes,
- pose no risks to nonusers,
- emit similar levels of constituents as FDA approved nicotine inhalers,
- are consumed almost exclusively (I.e. 99%) by smokers and former smokers who quit by switching to e-cigs,
- have never been known to addict any nonsmoker (or youth) to nicotine,
- have helped several million smokers quit and/or sharply reduce cigarette consumption,
- have replaced/reduced about 750 million packs of cigarettes in past five years,
- are more effective than nicotine gums, lozenges and patches for smoking cessation and reducing cigarette consumption, and
- pose fewer risks than FDA approved Chantix or Wellbutrin.

Besides, all of the following products and activities emit far more indoor air pollution than does an e-cigarette, but e-cigarette prohibitionists haven't called for banning or restricting any of them.

- plywood and other building materials
- glues
- paint
- carpeting
- furniture
- appliances
- cooking
- every exhale by every smoker for more than an hour after smoking every cigarette
- smoker’s clothes and hair
- printers
- photocopiers
- computers
- cleaning products
- dry cleaned clothes
- hair sprays
- perfumes
- nail polish and nail polish remover
- air fresheners."
-- Bill Godshall
https://physiciansnews.com/2014/08/19/another-view-the-pros-of-electronic-cigarettes/
http://casaa.org/wp-content/uploads/GodshallFDAcomment-December-2015.pdf
 

James00007

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I suggest you take a read of the ingredients that are found in this junk. Actually worse than cigarette's if you can believe it. Frankly, a total ban on anything that can be taken into the lungs other than prescribed materials needs to be put into effect as it has NO beneficial value and only promotes more disease .... unfortunate, but true.
Unfortunate that you are either completely misinformed or lying. The base ingredients for vape fluid are about as harmful as an asthma inhaler. I hate vaping nearly as much as I hate cigs, btw.
He is not lying, you're only delusional defending an addictive substance that has no other meaning than to destroy peoples bodies and minds, there are many medical proofs that states the harmful of this so call smoking substitute like the one shown on this same article and just someone who is addicted to it or is gaining some kind of economic incentive is going to defend this.
"E-cigarettes are probably about as safe as drinking coffee."
- Prof R West
 

James00007

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So explain me why I feel way better after I left cigs alone and only vape? Dont get me wrong Ive seen several ppl saying e cig is worse but my body tends to disagree. From stamina in sports, sex drive, overall health, everything in line with a non smoker. What can e cig harm then?
You are switching from one of the most harmful and addictive substances known to man to another "less" harmful and claiming that is better to your health. Why don't you try stopping altogether. It was the same when cigarettes were a thing 60 years ago even doctors claimed there wasn't any harm in smoking.
"In exposure terms, quitting equates to switching to the e-cig."
- Prof R Polosa
 

James00007

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Instead of taking a wait & see approach, lets just eliminate ALL tobacco & smoking/vaping products of every kind everywhere and be done with it....

multiple problems solved in 1 stroke !

Yea big tobacco & it's related industries will go bankrupt, but we will ALL be much healthier & happier as a result.
Yea black market is way better. Gotta love funding criminals. Hopefully we can get someone to ban everything including things you like too.
 

James00007

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Glad the FDA is looking hard at this, but I wish they would look as hard at the pharmaceutical industry, from testing, Journals, direct to consumer ads, promotions to doctors.
"...every one of the anti-smoking groups which has called for electronic cigarettes to be pulled off the market ..... has a financial conflict of interest with pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the smoking cessation drugs."
- M Siegel
(Typical resource)
http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/its-official-big-pharma-is-lobbying.html
 

James00007

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So explain me why I feel way better after I left cigs alone and only vape? Dont get me wrong Ive seen several ppl saying e cig is worse but my body tends to disagree. From stamina in sports, sex drive, overall health, everything in line with a non smoker. What can e cig harm then?
Its all in your head.
It's all in Scientific fact:
"If all the smokers in Britain stopped smoking cigarettes and started smoking e-cigarettes we would save 5 million deaths in people who are alive today. It’s a massive potential public health prize."
- Prof John Britton
Chair, Tobacco Advisory Group, Royal College of Physicians
 

James00007

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Well, look at it this way. If they don't, one of these days sadly in the USA, "government healthcare" will be mandatory, and these 16+ now kids will have lung problems that taxpayers will have to pay for!
Just put a label that if you e-cig, and end up with a respiratory problem, your insurance WILL NOT cover it.
Hopefully insurance will cover their parents dying of smoking related illness.
 

James00007

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They investigated this in Germany and let a group of non-smokers "vape" for half an hour. They measured their stats before and after. It turned out that after only half an hour of vaping, their lung volume (ability to breathe) had decreased by one third. Of course, once they stop they will recover. If you do this regularly, however, consider yourself f*****! Likewise, the nicotine will still have the very same effect it has in ordinary cigarettes: your blood pressure will fire up immediately. This means heart attacks, strokes, ... you know the drill.

Vaping receives a lot of ILLEGAL advertising. You will notice the forums being flooded by marketers, telling you the same stories over and over again:
"This is so much better than smoking."
"I used to smoke before. This has changed my life. I feel so much better now!"
... feces like that.
This follows the narrative that it's better to shoot yourself into the crotch rather than into your head. It's not advisable to shoot yourself anywhere - period. Anybody claiming that it is, and that this is better than XY, is simply taking the pisshh out of you. There are many ways to stop smoking. This isn't it. It's not even a replacement for "not stopping".
I've been vaping for nearly 7 years. Why do I feel great? Why don't I cough up chunks of phlem like I did when I smoked. You seem like an expert help me understand why.
 

James00007

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James00007

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Coming from someone that has quit twice, I do have grounds to stand on. Ban them all.
Sure. Then let's heed ex-drinkers' calls to ban alcohol, and vegan calls to ban meat, and public transport users' calls to ban cars, and religious calls to ban blasphemy and, and, and...
Yes, thank you dear robot. We cannot do one thing right, because we'd have to do them all otherwise. Nice logic - NOT.
I’m seeing teenagers "vaping". We haven’t seen them smoking for a long while. Tobacco was on a decline. Then the industry came up with something new, which looks and tastes like candy. They advertised this to kids aggressively (and illegally), with the effect I described above. I rarely see adult vapers. They still smoke cigarettes. It’s the kids, whom I see vaping. Therefore, f*** you tobacco slime balls and your "satanic" offspring, the vaping industry!
The number of vapers has been increasing rapidly - from about seven million in 2011 to 35 million in 2016. Market research group Euromonitor estimates that the number of adults who vape will reach almost 55 million by 2021.