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FDA: If youth e-cigarette use doesn't decline, it will be banned

By mongeese · 158 replies
Jan 20, 2019
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  1. Mike89

    Mike89 TS Booster Posts: 72   +32

    I was an avid smokers for a long long time. I then quit and a couple of years later starting vaping. Vaped a couple of years and then started having my chest hurt after a long day of vaping. I finally wised up and quit vaping too. Now I just breathe air which is what my lungs were designed for. Took me a lot of years of my life to figure that out. People think vaping is harmless. Wait for years to accumulate for the actual affects of prolonged vaping start to come in and and people are going to see how stupid they were vaping. The pure volume alone of a single vape into the lungs is multiple times more than the equivalent drag of a cigarette. And people who don't think the lungs having to continuously clear that volume of vape over years isn't going to have any kind of effect on the body are only fooling themselves. I used to be pro vape, now I'm anti cigarettes and anti vape. This is not a good thing we are introducing to our youth. We created a ticking bomb with cigarettes and now we've created another one with vaping.
     
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  2. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 11,403   +5,022

    Might as well give our kids knives and let them screen play as Chucky. Seriously; if we are not going to moderate ourselves. And continually encourage our youth to pickup bad habits.
     
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  3. 144hzGamer

    144hzGamer TS Addict Posts: 214   +132

    Factual evidence that in some years there will be lung problems? 0. In china people vape for 15 years and we are yet to see someone dying because of it.
     
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  4. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 11,403   +5,022

    I didn't think we had evidence of people dying after 15 years of smoking either. That however says nothing for ones health during those 15 years.

    Edit:
    BTW how many packs do you smoke a day. We know you smoke/vape, if you are not against the habits.
     
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  5. Bubbajim

    Bubbajim TechSpot Staff Posts: 681   +660

    You don't have to do something to support someone else's right to do that thing. You can be tee-total and understand others can drink if they like. I haven't touched fast-food in about 15 years, doesn't mean I want others to stop eating McShite even if that would be beneficial for their health.
     
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  6. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 11,403   +5,022

    Comparing apples to oranges again. People have to eat. People have to drive. People do not have to smoke or vape. Both of which are undeniably unhealthy. You keep bringing up food and driving as if that could be an option. It is not and never will be an option to ban. What people choose to eat doesn't bother me in the slightest. I am however bothered by a reminder of what I used to do from second hand smoke and vaping. I am reminded of all those days I ignored the fact I was doing the same to others that didn't participate in the stupid ritual of contaminating their body. The stance you have taken makes you selfish. You think nothing of others. The fact that you are not alone is the reason we continue to have this problem. And yes it is a problem, else why would we have topics such as this article.
     
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  7. Bubbajim

    Bubbajim TechSpot Staff Posts: 681   +660

    Despite obesity being one of the biggest killers in the Western world?
    You're trying to force this into a 'have to' frame, but it's not about what people have to do, its' about what people are free to choose to do. This is why I'm mainly countering with alcohol and fast-food examples - people don't NEED to drink alcohol, they don't need to eat terrible fast food, but they're free to choose to do so.

    You started the paragraph by saying that others' predilections are a problem for you because they remind you of what you used to do. And then you've surmised that I am selfish because I don't want to take away someone's right to do what they want with their life. Everybody dies, and if in their (hopefully) 80-ish years on this planet they want to do something that's bad for them that they enjoy, I say that's up to them. I do not believe it's selfish to do so, but if you'd like to try and convince me I'd be interested to hear more.
     
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  8. gollum21

    gollum21 TS Enthusiast Posts: 41   +14

    I used to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day for years. Tried cold turkey multiple times, patches, and gum too. Even tried vaping but didn't like it mainly because my throat was still irritated from regular cigs and I had a bad ecig device. Then I got myself a decent vape setup and stuck with it for a few days without cigs and I started to enjoy it. I'm still hooked on nicotine but at least I haven't had a regular cig in well over a year now. Now if I walk into a smoker's house I can actually feel the difference in my lungs again like before I started smoking. I can say with confidence I will never smoke a cigarette again. My next goal is to quit nicotine completely
     
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  9. people forget how ubiquitous smoking was and how many decades it took to change public opinion. For decades we had the cigarette companies promoting, doctors stating there were no ill health effects etc.
    You could smoke on airplanes, movie theatres, in school (university), I saw a documentary, the officer was smoking in a submarine! Took decades to convince people smoking was bad for you.15 years, tis nothing
     
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  10. pit1209

    pit1209 TS Booster Posts: 48   +62

    I understand what you're trying to say but we need to see this not in the individualistic sense but as a society. This is not just letting people being free to choose whatever they like, this is about educating people, specially the young ones about something that it's sold as safe when it is not and can be in fact very harmful for you and others. I mean it can be sold but not promoted as something that is not, that's why we have people here saying that vaping it's not harmful and we are not talking about a disorder like it can be with food or even alcohol which I also don't like, we are talking about a very addictive substance from the get go that is not necessary in any way to live.
     
  11. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    1 Billion Tobacco deaths this century if trends continue. Advocates who support free and unhindered access to the full range of e-cigarette (vaping) products will help to enable the single most important advance in public health since the discovery of antibiotics: in one small country alone, full support for this approach has the potential to save millions of lives just among those alive today.
     
  12. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    Harmful has a scale and vaping is very low on that scale unlike say walking down a street with traffic.

    Addictive substance that's not necessary like caffeine, sugar and alcohol. Life would be pretty miserable if we didn't enjoy the things that are not necessary. But in actual fact it is necessary in helping stop 1 billion people dying this century.
     
  13. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    The Royal College of Physicans (the most prestigious medical group in the world) say that vaping (e-cigs) are 95%+ safer than smoking. I suggest you take a read of some real science and know what you are talking about before putting out factless information that could literately cause harm.
    https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/news/promote-e-cigarettes-widely-substitute-smoking-says-new-rcp-report
     
  14. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    "The growing mountain of scientific and empirical evidence consistently indicates that e-cigarettes:
    - are 99% (+/-1%) less hazardous than cigarettes,
    - pose no risks to nonusers,
    - emit similar levels of constituents as FDA approved nicotine inhalers,
    - are consumed almost exclusively (I.e. 99%) by smokers and former smokers who quit by switching to e-cigs,
    - have never been known to addict any nonsmoker (or youth) to nicotine,
    - have helped several million smokers quit and/or sharply reduce cigarette consumption,
    - have replaced/reduced about 750 million packs of cigarettes in past five years,
    - are more effective than nicotine gums, lozenges and patches for smoking cessation and reducing cigarette consumption, and
    - pose fewer risks than FDA approved Chantix or Wellbutrin.

    Besides, all of the following products and activities emit far more indoor air pollution than does an e-cigarette, but e-cigarette prohibitionists haven't called for banning or restricting any of them.

    - plywood and other building materials
    - glues
    - paint
    - carpeting
    - furniture
    - appliances
    - cooking
    - every exhale by every smoker for more than an hour after smoking every cigarette
    - smoker’s clothes and hair
    - printers
    - photocopiers
    - computers
    - cleaning products
    - dry cleaned clothes
    - hair sprays
    - perfumes
    - nail polish and nail polish remover
    - air fresheners."
    -- Bill Godshall
    https://physiciansnews.com/2014/08/19/another-view-the-pros-of-electronic-cigarettes/
    http://casaa.org/wp-content/uploads/GodshallFDAcomment-December-2015.pdf
     
  15. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    "E-cigarettes are probably about as safe as drinking coffee."
    - Prof R West
     
  16. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    "In exposure terms, quitting equates to switching to the e-cig."
    - Prof R Polosa
     
  17. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    Yea black market is way better. Gotta love funding criminals. Hopefully we can get someone to ban everything including things you like too.
     
  18. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    "...every one of the anti-smoking groups which has called for electronic cigarettes to be pulled off the market ..... has a financial conflict of interest with pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the smoking cessation drugs."
    - M Siegel
    (Typical resource)
    http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/its-official-big-pharma-is-lobbying.html
     
  19. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    It's all in Scientific fact:
    "If all the smokers in Britain stopped smoking cigarettes and started smoking e-cigarettes we would save 5 million deaths in people who are alive today. It’s a massive potential public health prize."
    - Prof John Britton
    Chair, Tobacco Advisory Group, Royal College of Physicians
     
  20. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    Vaping isn't smoking. You would know that if you had even the most basic idea of what it is and what you are talking about.
     
  21. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    Hopefully insurance will cover their parents dying of smoking related illness.
     
  22. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    I've been vaping for nearly 7 years. Why do I feel great? Why don't I cough up chunks of phlem like I did when I smoked. You seem like an expert help me understand why.
     
  23. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,976   +4,009

    Y'all know the nicotine is a deadly poison right? It was used as an insecticide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning

    What's my point here, you ask? Well, if you take their vaping paraphernalia off them, those crazy young 'uns are liable to start shooting it...:eek::facepalm:.
     
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  24. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    "There is very little to no evidence for the abuse of nicotine when not delivered in a tobacco vehicle."
    - Prof K Fagerstrom
    http://nicotinepolicy.net/karl-fagerstrom/520-dependence-on-tobacco-and-nicotine
     
  25. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 116   +14

    The number of vapers has been increasing rapidly - from about seven million in 2011 to 35 million in 2016. Market research group Euromonitor estimates that the number of adults who vape will reach almost 55 million by 2021.
     

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