Ford employees want company to stop making police vehicles, CEO refuses

Theinsanegamer

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What I'm getting from this is that there are many White and Black virtue signallers at ford, but not latinos. Guess who Ford will be hiring mroe of in the future?

Perhaps big companies are beginning to figure out these whiners contribute almost nothing to society and instead only consoom propaganda while occasionally burning down their neighborhoods.

The people involved in this letter are free to quit their jobs and become professional whiners on social media. Ford wont miss them, they'll just ship the jobs to mexico where the workers dont make silly demands that the parent company cut off a huge source of revenue, especially after a year of basically 0 profit.

People should think twice before making a drunk druggie who ODed on fentanyl and meth (who previously held a pregnant women at gunpoint whiel ransacking her house) into a martyr for their cause. Makes them look like spoiled brats.
 
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brucek

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Even in a vastly reformed police mission which is more about community outreach and assistance, they're still going to need vehicles. Really not seeing the point of this one.
 
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Impudicus

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You weren't followed around by cops, shaken down, and sure, eventually allowed to go on your way when driving in a posh neighborhood?
I used to regularly drive through the west side of Chicago for a job I had. I was stopped numerous times by police just for being white in the neighborhood. Accused of trying to buy drugs or "cruising for hookers". Was allowed to go on my way every time but not after being padded down and my car searched and nothing was found. But a close friend of mine was not so lucky one time and had to spend the night in jail, and go back for court before finally being sent on his way. Personally, I do know what that part is like, and it's a pretty shitty experience for anyone regardless of race. I know this happens more often to black people in America, but it is not exclusive. That's where I feel a lot of the disconnect occurs with this movement. There is 0 compromise with any discussion on the topic and comes off as "agree with everything or you're racist" thus pushing many reasonable and critical thinkers who ask questions and invoke discussion on the wrong side. Even when they agree with the core purpose of the movement.
 

Rayneofpayne

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Ah, so you grew up as a black child and experienced the world from that perspective and you're declaring that you were given the same opportunities in society as everyone else? You know you weren't excluded from some schools or jobs of your choice by people who didn't want to associate with you thanks to your skin color? You weren't followed around by cops, shaken down, and sure, eventually allowed to go on your way when driving in a posh neighborhood?

Those types of things bother people when they continuously happen throughout their lives. That kind of wears on you and convinces you that maybe it's just not worth it to try to break through the systemic attitudes. No, they're not everywhere but those types of problems are endemic and serve to restrict the opportunities of minority people throughout their lives. Just because there are paper laws to protect people doesn't mean that there's anywhere near 100% enforcement of them.
Studied that in college did you? Or is it conjecture?

And the immunity to that is not based on skin color.

Thanks for the example.
Even more whataboutism.
Do yourself a favor go to a lecture of a man named Jordan Peterson.
 

Evernessince

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Tell that to the families of the police officers that have lost their lives trying to protect all races.
I'd tell them thank you for making this country a safer place. That said good officers isn't what this is about. This is about the bad apples and bad apples spoil the bunch. If you don't hold the bad actors responsible, you are degrading the quality of police service to your community. Any system that can be abused will be, that's an absolute fact.
 

Evernessince

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hat's where I feel a lot of the disconnect occurs with this movement. There is 0 compromise with any discussion on the topic and comes off as "agree with everything or you're racist" thus pushing many reasonable and critical thinkers who ask questions and invoke discussion on the wrong side. Even when they agree with the core purpose of the movement.
It's been this way since the 2016 election for any topic. People in America are completely radicalized.
 

cliffordcooley

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That said good officers isn't what this is about.
Keep telling yourself that, while good officers are being killed over this BLM movement. This whole demonstration has turned criminal and should be brought to an abrupt stop. I've had black friends all my life and this sh_t makes it awkward to talk about around them. That alone puts a negative on the concept of having the movement.
 

Lionvibez

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Keep telling yourself that, while good officers are being killed over this BLM movement. This whole demonstration has turned criminal and should be brought to an abrupt stop. I've had black friends all my life and this sh_t makes it awkward to talk about around them. That alone puts a negative on the concept of having the movement.
If you guys truly are friends it shouldn't be awkward to talk about anything. Based on what you have said in this thread I don't think you believe in the movement and that lack of understand is what is causing it to be awkward with your friends of color.
 

Evernessince

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Keep telling yourself that, while good officers are being killed over this BLM movement. This whole demonstration has turned criminal and should be brought to an abrupt stop. I've had black friends all my life and this sh_t makes it awkward to talk about around them. That alone puts a negative on the concept of having the movement.
That's because you are making it awkward. You aren't opening up a line of dialog, you are dictating. I'm sure that'll solve problems /s.

Everyone else is wrong and only people who agree with you are right. That's the mindset I'm seeing here.

Even when I come in here trying to mediate, I get nothing but cheap shots.
 

USAvenger

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That's because you are making it awkward. You aren't opening up a line of dialog, you are dictating. I'm sure that'll solve problems /s.

Everyone else is wrong and only people who agree with you are right. That's the mindset I'm seeing here.

Even when I come in here trying to mediate, I get nothing but cheap shots.
So when you accuse others of "dictating" (without actually knowing what they've said) do you mean something like this?
“If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation."
That is a quote courtesy of El Presidente de Greater New York Black Lives Matter. That sure sounds like classical "dictation" to me but I haven't checked the New Age Woke Liberal Dictionary for the new definition of the word.

Color me a skeptic, especially in the current political climate, when any leftist claims to be here to sing Kumbaya. Are you a bit uneasy because you're not used to being outnumbered?

Many of the reasonable, common sense statements from non-liberals in this thread now carry a higher propensity to be labeled as "hate speech" or "racist" and receive an account ban on social media networks. Of course I think that you're wrong and I'm right! The difference between our two sides is that I don't want you cancelled, silenced, or banned because I disagree with your beliefs.
 

Eldritch

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Forget partisanship and politics, they only muddy the waters.

Here's what the reality is :

Are there bad cops of white skin color who misuse power?
Yes.

Are there people of dark skin color who are criminals?
Yes.

Is it racist calling all people of dark skin color criminals?
Yes

Is it racist calling all cops of white skin color to be bad?
Yes

Is it a race issue?
No, there are good white cops and good people of color.
Problem is not skin color but poverty, drugs, lack of proper education, broken homes and lack of proper training.

What can be done?
Increase training period for cops.
Mandatory body cams in all states for cops.
Outreach programs by cops in certain areas.
Focusing on education and economic issues.

Point is skin color don't matter. If we keep focusing on it then the real issues just get forgotten about. This cycle of violence and counter-violence will never end and that will make both left and right happy (polarisation of votes) and news media will be just ecstatic.
 
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Evernessince

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So when you accuse others of "dictating" (without actually knowing what they've said) do you mean something like this?
“If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation."
That is a quote courtesy of El Presidente de Greater New York Black Lives Matter. That sure sounds like classical "dictation" to me but I haven't checked the New Age Woke Liberal Dictionary for the new definition of the word.

Color me a skeptic, especially in the current political climate, when any leftist claims to be here to sing Kumbaya. Are you a bit uneasy because you're not used to being outnumbered?

Many of the reasonable, common sense statements from non-liberals in this thread now carry a higher propensity to be labeled as "hate speech" or "racist" and receive an account ban on social media networks. Of course I think that you're wrong and I'm right! The difference between our two sides is that I don't want you cancelled, silenced, or banned because I disagree with your beliefs.
I'm guessing the reason you aren't providing a source, like so many other's here, is because in fact the quote is completely stripped of context.

Here is the video:

As expected, it's fox news. 100% of the time is spent trying to lead the person being interviewed.

He makes a very good point in that video. When white people are exercising their 2nd amendment rights, it's self defense. When black people exercise their rights, they are thrown in jail.

You know what got the government to enact gun control? The Black panthers in the 60s. Funny how that works and the double standard.


Hell, the J edgar hoover actually called them the greatest menace to society while instituting extensive surveillance of them (despite himself being the most corrupt director in FBI history).
 
Only to racists.
BLM has killed lots of blacks. Nobody cared when a 16 year old black kid was joy riding in Chaz and the "police" of Chaz shot up his car. He was still alive and begging to live when BLM executed him. BLM doesn't care about the 8 year old girl murdered for no reason when her family found themselves near the Wendy's where Saint Rayshard of the Holy Order of Resisting Arrest died. It was BLM protesters that murdered her. I don't see any protests for this.

I think we need to start a memorial wall for all the victims of BLM.
 

Uncle Al

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You know, those employee's have a much better alternative. Quit! Oh wait ... you want your cushy, overpaid jobs (yes, I worked for Ford in my younger days) with ridiculously high benefits and an over protective union that actively works against the employer .... if that's the case, shut up and get back to work!
 

dirtyferret

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You know, those employee's have a much better alternative. Quit! Oh wait ... you want your cushy, overpaid jobs (yes, I worked for Ford in my younger days) with ridiculously high benefits and an over protective union that actively works against the employer .... if that's the case, shut up and get back to work!
yet the 18 million the CEO got paid (one million more then the previous year) is not overpaid?
 
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candle_86

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You know, those employee's have a much better alternative. Quit! Oh wait ... you want your cushy, overpaid jobs (yes, I worked for Ford in my younger days) with ridiculously high benefits and an over protective union that actively works against the employer .... if that's the case, shut up and get back to work!
Well if that's the case I would suggest relocate their plants from the rust belt down here to Texas, but leave the employees behind, hire new workers here or rehire those who understand Ford is no longer allowing a union. That will fix this, I don't tell my employer how to run his company because it's none of damn bussiness, as long as they pay me the agreed wage I don't care if they want to run guns in somilia.
 

cliffordcooley

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says the racist
If you are a entitled butt-hurt BLM running around trashing our own property for some misguided attempt at gaining attention. Then yes I do have anger and hatred against you. That has nothing to do with color. My anger is against those making stupid laws not my neighbor. I will save my movement endeavors for storming the White House not our marketplace. The fact that you said that means you don't know me at all. I don't have anything against a black person looking for equality. But when they strap on the BLM title. And then start acting as if they degressed on the evolutionary scale I do have an issue. I have an even greater anger for the white person doing the same. I mean seriously the color of their skin gives them zero grounds to act stupid in this BLM criminality.
 

dirtyferret

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If you are a entitled butt-hurt BLM running around trashing our own property for some misguided attempt at gaining attention. Then yes I do have anger and hatred against you. That has nothing to do with color. My anger is against those making stupid laws not my neighbor. I will save my movement endeavors for storming the White House not our marketplace. The fact that you said that means you don't know me at all. I don't have anything against a black person looking for equality. But when they strap on the BLM title. And then start acting as if they degressed on the evolutionary scale I do have an issue. I have an even greater anger for the white person doing the same. I mean seriously the color of their skin gives them zero grounds to act stupid in this BLM criminality.
"butt-hurt"?? which one of us is tossing the immature hissy fit? 🤔