France just voted to ban kids under 15 from social media, but Australia's ban shows how hard that is to enforce

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Overview: As social media algorithms come under increasing scrutiny, policies to ban children from services such as Facebook, X, YouTube, and Snapchat are gaining popularity across the globe. France has just become the latest country to pass such legislation – but data suggests the impact of Australia's earlier ban has been limited.

France's Parliament gave final approval on Tuesday to a law banning children under age 15 from social media, with the National Assembly voting 279 to 81 after the Senate had approved the text earlier the same day. The vote followed the Assembly's initial approval of the bill in January by a margin of 130 to 21.

President Emmanuel Macron, who strongly championed the legislation, wants it in effect before the new school year begins in September. The bill also bans smartphone use in high schools but exempts online encyclopedias such as Wikipedia, educational and scientific directories, and open-source software platforms such as GitHub.

The bill enjoyed unusually broad bipartisan support in France's traditionally divided parliament. Macron fast-tracked the legislation, hailing its passage as a "major step forward" and positioning France as the first country in the European Union to approve a blanket social media ban for minors.

Macron cited data from France's national public health agency indicating that one in two teenagers in the country spends between two and five hours each day using smartphones. Approximately 90% access the internet via phones daily, and more than half access social media on them.

The president has said the country aims to protect children's brains from being "manipulated," in his words, "neither by American platforms, nor by Chinese algorithms." Lawmaker Laure Miller, who authored the bill, said the legislation firmly establishes that social media is not harmless, arguing it causes children to read less, sleep less, and compare themselves to others more.

With the law now passed, France leapfrogs proposals still moving through other European countries, including Greece, Norway, Spain, and the UK. Greece aims to enforce a ban starting next year, and restrictions for under-16s are set to be introduced into the Norwegian and British parliaments by the end of 2026.

Australia became the first country in the world to attempt such a ban, in December 2025, but recent studies cast doubt on its effectiveness. Australia's eSafety Commissioner found that roughly seven in ten children who held social media accounts before the ban took effect still retained them three months later, and a study published in the British Medical Journal put the figure as high as 85%.

Regulators say Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, and YouTube have largely failed to enforce the removal of underage accounts. Most teenagers who kept access report never encountering an age-verification check, even though some circumvented restrictions using VPNs or other workarounds. France is also considering restricting VPN use to close a similar loophole.

In response to the noncompliance, the Australian government doubled the maximum penalty for infringing companies to $99 million AUD (about US$68 million). Australia's internet regulator, eSafety, is currently investigating Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, and YouTube for non-compliance.

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Age 15? It should be 21. If you're not mature enough to drink, you're not mature enough to post to the Internet.
It's always funny to me when americans don't understand that the rest of the world doesn't follow the US's insane drinking laws.

In France, like in most of Europe, people of any age can legally drink alcohol, and teenagers often do. You only need to be 18 (not 21) to purchase it.
 
It's always funny to me when americans don't understand that the rest of the world doesn't follow the US's insane drinking laws.
What's amusing to me is the narrow-minded parochialism that prevents some from understand that laws differ by nation often for good reason. The US is a more affluent nation than France, and so most teenagers own and drive their own vehicle, starting at age 16. While France traditionally restricting driving to 18-year olds, and only recently lowered the age to 17.

Also, due to the US's lower population density and lack of public transit, teens drive much further, more often, often on high-speed highways.. The US used to allow drinking at age 16-18, but the large number of DUI deaths ultimately led raising the minimum age to 21. Meanwhile, drunken French 16-year olds fall off their mopeds and scooters, or vomit on the seats of Metro cabins, but otherwise hurt no one else.

In France, like in most of Europe, people of any age can legally drink alcohol, and teenagers often do.
Most of the world finds it "insane" to legally allow 10-year olds to drink hard spirits, as long as they're "in a private home", but France has a different culture and different ideas.
 
What's amusing to me is the narrow-minded parochialism that prevents some from understand that laws differ by nation often for good reason. The US is a more affluent nation than France, and so most teenagers own and drive their own vehicle, starting at age 16. While France traditionally restricting driving to 18-year olds, and only recently lowered the age to 17.

Also, due to the US's lower population density and lack of public transit, teens drive much further, more often, often on high-speed highways.. The US used to allow drinking at age 16-18, but the large number of DUI deaths ultimately led raising the minimum age to 21. Meanwhile, drunken French 16-year olds fall off their mopeds and scooters, or vomit on the seats of Metro cabins, but otherwise hurt no one else.
Why the US decided to enact those ridiculous laws is not relevant to this discussion. The point is that you made your comment fully under the impression that the american 21-year-old thing was the norm in France and the rest of the world, the reason for the US laws doesn't change the fact that you did that. You're now attempting to save face after having your naivety pointed out.

Most of the world finds it "insane" to legally allow 10-year olds to drink hard spirits, as long as they're "in a private home", but France has a different culture and different ideas.
In neither of the several countries I've been to in South America (where I was born and have family in) or in Europe (where I went to university and now live in) do people find those alcohol laws "insane". People do not go around giving alcohol to children, and acting like this is some huge problem the government needs to crack down on is just good old american puritanism that, as usual, is hilarious to people in the rest of the world.

As an american with 99% chance of not having a passport and never having stepped foot outside of your country in your life, you're not in a position to make claims about "most of the world", given you do not know it.
 
The point is that you made your comment fully under the impression that the american 21-year-old thing was the norm in France
I'm fully aware of the drinking age in France; had you followed my posting history, you'd know I've long advocated for restrictions on social media here in the USA.

As an american with 99% chance of not having a passport and never having stepped foot outside of your country in your life, you're not in a position to make claims about "most of the world", given you do not know it.
Actually, I was born in the USSR and emigrated to the US -- through France first, coincidentally enough -- and my various passports have stamps in them from nearly 50-odd nations. As I often tell those who ask about my travels, France is the one place to which I'd never return -- mostly due to parochial French twits who, despite their poor education and even worse personal hygiene, imagine themselves superior to the rest of the world.

That likely explains why the French birthrate is so low that deaths now outnumber births -- not even French women can stomach French men:

 
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Restricting VPNs and disrupting adults from privacy technologies is all part of their plan to spy on everyone. They'll make Big Brother a reality and become more like China snooping on everything their citizens do.

Depends, I wouldn’t mind giving proof of age to someone like Nord for them to verify and then delete rather than have to give it to every website that requests it.
 
Genie is well and truly out of the bottle on this one. Need to rethink the strategy as any attempt to ban digital natives from the internet is doomed to failure (without restricting the entire internet Iran, China or North Korea style). The entire social lives of the young seem to be tied to one social media site or another - and they will rotate or find a new one when they think the old one is un-cool or whatever is the new phase for unfashionable. We need to teach digital cynicism and that if one site is getting to you - just change site - close friends will follow you to the new one. A laissez faire attitude to any particular social media site should be encouraged and also the power to block or turn off is the ultimate way to irritate the trolls. Previously I would have advocated that the internet should have been over 18's only but that is not feasible so it is up to us to teach how to use it rather than be used by it.
 
Its a good intention but I’m not going to prove my identity to use the internet any more than show id to walk down the street. Either they go full north korea on people or the enforcement will always lack
 
Its a good intention but I’m not going to prove my identity to use the internet any more than show id to walk down the street. Either they go full north korea on people or the enforcement will always lack
 
I'm fully aware of the drinking age in France
Nobody who is aware of the drinking laws outside of the US would have written what you wrote on your first comment.

had you followed my posting history
Why would I subject myself to that?

As I often tell those who ask about my travels, France is the one place to which I'd never return -- mostly due to parochial French twits who, despite their poor education and even worse personal hygiene, imagine themselves superior to the rest of the world.
This makes it abundantly clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm neither french nor living in France, so it's not like I'm compelled to jump into their defense. But it is a neighboring country and I've gone there countless times. Back when I was living in England I lost count of how many times I took the Dover-Calais ferry. Many of my trips to other countries (Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark) went through Lille. I'd stop in Tolouse and Nice on the way to Monaco the couple times I went there. Multiple visits to a friend who was studying in Nantes. Charmonix for the alps (though I didn't like it as much as the swiss side), a few smaller villages here and there because I like the old architecture. And of course, many visits to Paris.

Which is how I know everything you wrote there is complete nonsense. French people are lovely, have zero issues with hygiene or education (hell, like most of Europe, they wipe the floor with the US in education indices), don't have any "superiority complexes", and like the other commenter above already mentioned, have a birthrate that isn't any substantially different than that of the US. It's like you just looked up the most cartoonish, absurd french stereotypes on the internet and wrote them here.

There does exist an "arrogant/snooty" perception about parisian people specifically, but it's not from outsiders, it's something other french people say about Paris (and obviously, only applies to Paris; also obviously, only a tiny minority of parisians actually are like this). When you try to act like it's a stereotype of all french people, that makes it obvious that either 1) you have never actually been there, or 2) you have only ever been to the tourist centres of Paris, so that's all you know of France.

And as a bonus, here's a few receipts: link
 
Just because something is hard doesn't mean don't do it.
This is such a stupid argument against it. It's hard to play the piano well and so many other things
 
It's always funny to me when americans don't understand that the rest of the world doesn't follow the US's insane drinking laws.

In France, like in most of Europe, people of any age can legally drink alcohol, and teenagers often do. You only need to be 18 (not 21) to purchase it.
US's insane drinking laws? Fact: alcohol is extremely damaging to your health. Health Canada revised the safe drinking limits to 2 drinks a week, and even then the inflammation & damage it does to your brain & body still happens.
 
Just because something is hard doesn't mean don't do it.
This is such a stupid argument against it. It's hard to play the piano well and so many other things
Hard? Impossible without enforced draconian laws. One upside is the "nerds" at school will be popular again by showing the other kids how to circumvent the protections but don't be under any illusion social media will be stopped for kids.
 
US's insane drinking laws? Fact: alcohol is extremely damaging to your health. Health Canada revised the safe drinking limits to 2 drinks a week, and even then the inflammation & damage it does to your brain & body still happens.
I say this as someone who lives in the US. Not really sure we should be criticizing other countries drinking laws when our food is engineered to be as addictive as possible, market it to kids and is even illegal in other countries in the American iteration due to it being toxic. I don't think anyone will debate Alcohol's toxic nature in the modern age but US food is poison and kills far more of our own people than alcohol does in Europe.
 
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Age 15? It should be 21. If you're not mature enough to drink, you're not mature enough to post to the Internet.

Yeah, god forbid someone under 21 drinks or posts on the internet because "thEy arE nOt mAtuRe enOugH", but it's totally fine and mature to drive at 16 and shoot people at 18. Mhm, yeah, drinking totally equates to posting on the internet
 
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