Germany proposes locked-down national internet after recent NSA scandal

By Justin Kahn ยท 16 replies
Oct 25, 2013
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  1. This morning information on the NSA phone tapping of 35 different world leaders dropped courtesy of whistleblower Edward Snowden, and now Deutsche Telekom is proposing to create a national internet to shield German users from prying eyes.

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  2. psycros

    psycros TS Evangelist Posts: 1,877   +1,298

    This is the inevitable direction for the internet and international relations alike. The Internet didn't bring us closer together: it made it much easier to become split into "virtual tribes". Electronic surveillance has brought us to very brink of Orwell's nightmare. The world is going to be an extremely paranoid and dangerous place a decade from now as governments and pan-national corporations become more intertwined than ever. I fully expect a movement of "unpluggers" who reject the national security state to have arisen by then. If it doesn't then we're going to lose what little freedom we still enjoy.
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  3. pmkrefeld

    pmkrefeld TS Member Posts: 44

    Most stupid Headline I seen in Weeks.
    Telecom is not Germany and it is not controlled by the government.
    And even here (in Germany) there was only a short annotation on that topic which no one took serious.
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  4. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,036   +2,558

    So then, is this reaction knee jerk hysteria, or a gold plated found excuse for censorship, isolation, and control of the local web?

    How many of you think Deutsch-Telecom will still be snooping on your online activities, "for your own good"?;)

    Let me see a show of hands..........
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  5. Encryption and Open Source software is the way forward, not closing off information and communication.
  6. distantreality

    distantreality TS Enthusiast Posts: 58   +7

    Oh please this will not stop anyone from spying on them and the USA after world war 2 won't stop spying on germany no matter what scheme any of them in europe comes up with
  7. misor

    misor TS Evangelist Posts: 1,285   +243

    "take the red pill or the blue pill, the choice is yours"- from the matrix.
    as if Germany does not spy on its own citizens and on foreign objects.
    it's just the u.s.a. is caught with its pants down for now. in Britain, remember who spy who and for what reasons.
  8. Renrew

    Renrew TS Enthusiast Posts: 253   +19

    I find this whole world outrage at a scandal that is manufactured for the low information voter, to be the first act in the theatre of the absurd.

    If 35 countries are upset and had no knowledge of being spied on, they need to fire their leaders immediately because they must have been living in a bubble for the last 53 years.

    Angela Merkel was very familiar with the spying apparatus of East Germany and I venture to say most other countries, since she held the position of asst. Propaganda manager in that now defunct Communist government. Her feigned outrage along with the Mexicans, French et al, is but to appease their voters, and has little traction in the diplomatic world .Locking down their national internet would be political suicide.

    In the meantime, our whistle blower extraordinaire has yet to release his whole repertoire of NSA goodies. When he does, you might see some further Oscar worthy acting, from as yet, unknown players.
  9. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,813   +473

    This is not just about Germany. They are potentially setting a worldwide precedent for countries to tell the NSA that what they are doing is not OK. Something that has been a long time coming.

    Moving the world away from a US controlled internet is the issue here. People can continue to try and spy etc as they have been doing for years but strongarming manufacturers into putting in backdoors, abusing DNS root server control and access, all of these kinds of tactics are in the harsh light of day now and voters the world over are asking their own governments "Why have you allowed this? Why are innocent people's data being collected and potentially exploited?"

    Of course this wouldn't be a problem if the NSA or the US Government was trustworthy, but they are not. They are as corrupt and abusing of power as any other country in the world. Commit some of the worst war crimes in the world. Kill thousands of civilians annually. Deprivation of liberty without charge, violating UN conventions. Assassinations. Supplying weapons and funding to terrorist organisations. Basically rank hypocrisy of the highest order.
  10. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,036   +2,558

    Not really. All the heavy hitters on the planet have sophisticated secret police and espionage protocols in place. Are you self righteous enough to think it's in our best interest not to spy, or possibly "spy back" at a country like China? 'Cause if you do dude, you're living in a vacuum.
  11. Well said SHIV, US of A is not trustworthy at all, most hippocratic country of all times. Most arrogant whose males and military think they are...
  12. distantreality

    distantreality TS Enthusiast Posts: 58   +7

    I think it is all so funny seeing as the internet was started in the first place as a response to the Soviet Union ie: ARPANET which was branched out slowly connecting other networks over time to eventually to what we have today. So if these countries really thought the USA wasn't spying why did they use it in the first place??? seriously get a clue
  13. It is very arrogant not distant reality. Internet is used by world because it was promoted as commercial vehicle by US corporations with hidden agendas and now so called funny people asking why it is used by people. First you sell cola and then asking why people drink it. Does not it show how their minds are corrupted?
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  14. distantreality

    distantreality TS Enthusiast Posts: 58   +7

    So are you saying these countries should of had better spies?
  15. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,036   +2,558

    I can't believe you think that line of BS was important enough to post in bold. But what's even more incomprehensible, is the forum's software allows "guests" to do it.

    I think I'll start a thread, in "Site feedback and suggestions", to see if we can curtail that functionality.
  16. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,813   +473

    Everyone knew they could. Now we know they do and what they do. Their "friends" are not happy about the level of spying. That is all that is happening and hopefully this moves the internet to a state of more neutral ownership.

    How about you "get a clue"?
  17. distantreality

    distantreality TS Enthusiast Posts: 58   +7

    Most people knew they do already even the ones that are in shock about it...and if you didn't you haven't lived on this planet very long at all!!

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