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I thought Trump was a liberal. Liberal with words. Just more nationalistic than mainstream liberals. But what is called liberal today isn't really liberal. They are progressive with a marxist taint. True liberals are for freedom of speech. While there are different strains, classical liberalism was the best. IMO.
 
Hahah thankfully he's not "my leader" as I'm not an American. And I like that your point was "hey don't do name calling, why do liberals always resort to name calling!" then when presented with loads of it from your side you've said "well yeah that's fine". Cognitive dissonance can be a real b*tch.
Name calling as in the identification from which group one represents does help to establish positions of argument. It's when the name calling goes to the level of liar, killer, dummy, and things of that nature that gets a bit sticky. Might need to have a decent handle of the evidence before taking it to that level.
 
Calling someone a "liberal" is name calling
Liberal is name calling? Not for me but clearly you believe a political affiliation is a dirty word for some reason lol. If the 1st Amendment is so important, why not accept the overwhelming voice of the majority, and their right to vote in Trump regardless of whether it upsets the liberals. Aaaand as you are big on the amendments I'm sure you honor and accept the 2nd Amendment then too? Enjoy the next 6 years of Trump :)

Yes like Donald Trump, that huge liberal
Oh come on really? Politicians slander each other during the election and Clinton was right at the front of the queue for that one. HOWEVER, the competiton is now over, the liberals soundly beaten. Surely now instead of whining and refusing to accept defeat it's time to get behind your leader, as many Republicans did behind Obama. It's called sacrificing your personal needs for the greater good of the country instead of tearing your America apart through childish foot stomping.
Congratulations on your diploma from the Kellyanne Conway School of Alternative facts!

It is well-known that Herr Trump lost the popular vote by several million votes. Unless, of course, you believe Herr Trump's assertion that those votes were cast by illegal aliens; of course, he has no evidence of this, and his investigation of illegal voting in 2016 was tossed aside as :poop: by Republicans and Democrats alike.

As I see it, Herr Trump is also doing his best to make himself unlikable to the majority of US citizens. If he does get in again in 2020, it will either be a miracle for him, or because he has taken that constitution those on the right claim to love and burned it not unlike Nixon was aiming to do.

It does not surprise me that you did not get what I was saying about name calling. Just think of 1930's Nazi Germany when the term Jew was turned into an abusive name. Any name can become abusive, especially so when it is used in a context to deride others, and deriding others is the definition of name calling.
 
Name calling as in the identification from which group one represents does help to establish positions of argument. It's when the name calling goes to the level of liar, killer, dummy, and things of that nature that gets a bit sticky. Might need to have a decent handle of the evidence before taking it to that level.
And I'll also argue that normally acceptable and respectful names can become abusive when used in a context that implies that those named are in some way less than others.
 
Hahah thankfully he's not "my leader" as I'm not an American. And I like that your point was "hey don't do name calling, why do liberals always resort to name calling!" then when presented with loads of it from your side you've said "well yeah that's fine". Cognitive dissonance can be a real b*tch.

IF you were an American and you HAD to vote, which way would you have gone Bubs?
 
Congratulations on your diploma from the Kellyanne Conway School of Alternative facts!

It is well-known that Herr Trump lost the popular vote by several million votes. Unless, of course, you believe Herr Trump's assertion that those votes were cast by illegal aliens; of course, he has no evidence of this, and his investigation of illegal voting in 2016 was tossed aside as :poop: by Republicans and Democrats alike.

As I see it, Herr Trump is also doing his best to make himself unlikable to the majority of US citizens. If he does get in again in 2020, it will either be a miracle for him, or because he has taken that constitution those on the right claim to love and burned it not unlike Nixon was aiming to do.

It does not surprise me that you did not get what I was saying about name calling. Just think of 1930's Nazi Germany when the term Jew was turned into an abusive name. Any name can become abusive, especially so when it is used in a context to deride others, and deriding others is the definition of name calling.

Any negative association towards 'liberal' has sadly been brought on by yourselves. All the whining and refusal to accept the democratic vote has made you look, well extremely foolish to say the least. And it was the democratic vote, but blinkered as ever you decide you have a right to twist and mutate the election process to your own ends in a futile attempt to clutch at straws. Herr Trump is another classic example. Comparing him to Hitler lol. It's simply laughable. Keep it up, you're making my argument for me :)
 
IF you were an American and you HAD to vote, which way would you have gone Bubs?

I would have gone with Hillary, but not because I like her, because I'd marginally rather have a politically stable, status-quo liar, than a "say whatever contradictory, random **** comes into my head" liar.

I'd also have joined campaigns to try and get momentum for a 3rd party. The two party system is broken, it makes a false binary when political opinions of the population sit on a continuum.
 
Any negative association towards 'liberal' has sadly been brought on by yourselves. All the whining and refusal to accept the democratic vote has made you look, well extremely foolish to say the least. And it was the democratic vote, but blinkered as ever you decide you have a right to twist and mutate the election process to your own ends in a futile attempt to clutch at straws. Herr Trump is another classic example. Comparing him to Hitler lol. It's simply laughable. Keep it up, you're making my argument for me :)

Also on this one I disagree. There's nothing democratic about the person who received more people's votes losing the election. If it had been the other way around, Hillary winning Electoral college and Trump getting the popular vote, I wouldn't think Hillary had won democratically. You guys need to sort out your Electoral College crap, same way we in the UK need to sort out our first-past-the-post constituency crap.
 
Also on this one I disagree. There's nothing democratic about the person who received more people's votes losing the election. If it had been the other way around, Hillary winning Electoral college and Trump getting the popular vote, I wouldn't think Hillary had won democratically. You guys need to sort out your Electoral College crap, same way we in the UK need to sort out our first-past-the-post constituency crap.
That's the common misconception. The U.S. is a constitutional republic. The founding fathers wanted to protect the constitution from rash changes by mob rule. When the population is stirred into a frenzy. it forces a slow deliberative debate so that changes aren't made irrationally. It essentially protects the minority from the majority. Nazi socialist types and communist types can't seize power overnight in America. The founding fathers were not fond of direct democracy for this reason. A democracy can easily turn into an authoritarian state with ease. Democracy is mob rule. That's how the Democratic party in America operate. By stirring the passions of people. It's not necessarily bad in and of itself. I don't disagree with every single policy they come up with. I don't even disagree with much of the results they are seeking. I just have different ideas on how to get them.
 
That's the common misconception. The U.S. is a constitutional republic. The founding fathers wanted to protect the constitution from rash changes by mob rule. When the population is stirred into a frenzy. it forces a slow deliberative debate so that changes aren't made irrationally. It essentially protects the minority from the majority. Nazi socialist types and communist types can't seize power overnight in America. The founding fathers were not fond of direct democracy for this reason. A democracy can easily turn into an authoritarian state with ease. Democracy is mob rule. That's how the Democratic party in America operate. By stirring the passions of people. It's not necessarily bad in and of itself. I don't disagree with every single policy they come up with. I don't even disagree with much of the results they are seeking. I just have different ideas on how to get them.

I'm aware of all that. The point I was making was to @Eddie777's point about Trump winning democratically.

Plus I believe your Electoral College system is still fundamentally flawed (regardless of your view of whether or not the US is a democracy) in the present day.

And the constant deference to 'The founding fathers' is such a bizarre harking back to tradition, which, to me, seems like the complete opposite of what the 'founding fathers' would have wanted. They broke away from tradition-based authority. They evidently didn't mean to establish a new tradition-based authority, or the founding Constitution wouldn't be able to be amended.

Finally, to lay the charge of 'stirring the passions of people' solely at the feet of the Democrats is absurd. You must have watched a Trump rally at some point? Even non-Trump GOP rallies - "they're coming for your guns!", "they're SOCIALISTS!", "they want you to have HEALTHCARE!!!!"

'Stirring the passions' of people is how politics works, not just the party you disagree with.
 
Any negative association towards 'liberal' has sadly been brought on by yourselves. All the whining and refusal to accept the democratic vote has made you look, well extremely foolish to say the least. And it was the democratic vote, but blinkered as ever you decide you have a right to twist and mutate the election process to your own ends in a futile attempt to clutch at straws. Herr Trump is another classic example. Comparing him to Hitler lol. It's simply laughable. Keep it up, you're making my argument for me :)
Typical reply. Blame it on everyone else. If you don't like my politics or viewpoint, tough. That is exactly what you are saying about my viewpoints. This conversation is pointless because neither of us is willing to take the other side's position. I could just as easily say exactly the same things about your viewpoints and about how republicans have brought the disdain from the other side on themselves.

Both republicans and democrats have had many chances to take the high road, but neither side has; rather, politics in this country has become one of holding grudges aimed at eventual revenge. B!tch McConnell is on record, after Obama was elected, as saying that it was the job of republicans to make sure that Obama's presidency is/was going to be a failure. That's not patriotism. That's undermining the way government is supposed to work.

I am sure it will fall on deaf ears that Herr Trump has lied countless times since he has been in office, and even before that. He has countless times proven himself to be a bully, and overestimates his own intelligence, leadership ability, and competence. And then we have :poop: statements from people like Nikki Haley saying that the world leaders laughed at Herr Trump because they admire his honesty.

But fear not! When the US economy crashes because bully politics are not working against countries that are strong enough to stand on their own without help from the US, the democrats will come in, once again, clean up the mess from President Incontinence and fix things. Then the next republican president can falsely assume, when that president gets into office, that their administration is "the best ever."

Have a wonderful day!:)
 
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Plus I believe your Electoral College system is still fundamentally flawed (regardless of your view of whether or not the US is a democracy) in the present day.
As a US citizen, I agree. As I understand it, the Electoral College was put in place to "protect against a tyrannical majority." Perhaps what the founders of the country failed to recognize is that while it might protect against a tyrannical majority, it is fundamentally flawed in that it allows a tyrannical minority to take power.

In addition, at the time it was put into effect, at least as I understand it, part of its intention was to give educated citizens the power to elect the president because it was not believed at the time that all citizens were capable of making an informed decision with respect to who was qualified to become president.
 
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As a US citizen, I agree. As I understand it, the Electoral College was put in place to "protect against a tyrannical majority." Perhaps what the founders of the country failed to recognize is that while it might protect against a tyrannical majority, it is fundamentally flawed in that it allows a tyrannical minority to take power.

In addition, at the time it was put into effect, at least as I understand it, part of its intention was to give educated citizens the power to elect the president because it was not believed at the time that all citizens were capable of making an informed decision with respect to who was qualified to become president.
Yeah, there is an opinion, my included that if one does not take the time to consider what the candidates are about and what they intend to do in office then it's best that the person should not vote. Even so, I'm find that is also just being lazy. While many lament the noise and angst, I for one am heartened by it because a quiet population is a subdued population. Being afraid to speak your mind even if it offends or brings upon yourself more scrutiny is to me far worse than apathy or fear of rocking the boat. Look alive out there.
 
Abuse? They are just encouraging good citizenship, fairness, open-mindedness, and other virtues as totally uncontroversial as Mom and apple pie - and, thus, this would be a public service.

Or, at least, that would be true if they lived in an America where nobody voted for Trump. In a sense, though, they likely do live in a world from which those who supported Trump are excluded, I suspect. So that they would be insensitive to how their actions would be perceived as biased by others may not be surprising.
 
I'm sure they were aware that the travel ban was aimed at those who presented a perceived risk of terrorism. However, negative attitudes towards immigration often also affect Hispanics, and are part of the Trump phenomenon - remember that wall he talks about building? - and so they thought these would be worth addressing as well.
 
Yeah, there is an opinion, my included that if one does not take the time to consider what the candidates are about and what they intend to do in office then it's best that the person should not vote. Even so, I'm find that is also just being lazy. While many lament the noise and angst, I for one am heartened by it because a quiet population is a subdued population. Being afraid to speak your mind even if it offends or brings upon yourself more scrutiny is to me far worse than apathy or fear of rocking the boat. Look alive out there.
Absolutely. And I did vote even though I did not like either candidate all that well. I voted for whom I thought would do the least damage to the US.

You have an interesting opinion. I, for one, will continue on my path. And I agree. When circumstances warrant, speaking out is what is required.

However, I do look on the act of having to speak out as unfortunate in that if the situation were different, speaking out would be unnecessary. For me, speaking out is necessary when things become so abhorrent that they are simply intolerable. To not speak out would express complicity, IMO.

And this is not a behavior limited to humans. Species of apes will also rebel when confronted with a bully alpha male that they find intolerable. In this, I find it unfortunate that humans still need to resort to animalistic behavior.
 
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On further reflection at the last several US presidents, note I am talking about presidents, not congress, there is one that took the high road - twice.

First, there were calls after 44 was elected for 44 to prosecute 43 and his VP for misleading congress and the American people with respect to the non-existent WMDs in Iraq. Yet 44 said he wanted to let that stay in the past.

And 44 would have been well within presidential power, due to the circumstances involved that were created by McConnell, to have installed Merrick Garland as a SCOTUS justice. There were also calls for 44 to do that. 44 chose not to.

I will be truly amazed if 45 ever comes anywhere near the high road. For him, the high road is weakness not strength.
 
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I will be truly amazed if 45 ever comes anywhere near the high road. For him, the high road is weakness not strength.
Trying to undo 50+ years of allowing jobs to leave America is a high road. It's a high road that no other president was willing to travel.
 
Trying to undo 50+ years of allowing jobs to leave America is a high road. It's a high road that no other president was willing to travel.
For me, the high road has to involve not doing any more damage. To cite a Babylon 5 quote, "The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."

Search for Ford losing $1bn in profits due to the tariffs. The affordability of products made by American companies for Americans is beginning to dwindle because of these tariffs.

This has nothing to do with labor and giving Americans jobs. It is in the base cost of the products because the tariffs are on materials that are required to produce the product. It doesn't matter how many workers are hired to produce a product when the cost of raw materials is artificially raised due to tariffs.

Ford is not the only company American company that is stating reduced revenues and increased costs for their customers. Other industries have lost thousands of jobs, in some cases, because of the increased cost of raw materials. That increased cost makes them less competitive, and I read the other day that so far, the tariffs have failed to quench demand for foreign made products.

IMO, China has become big enough to survive on its own and while they will make less profit due to decreased American demand for their products as a result of these tariffs, they will not back down. They have other markets where they can sell these same products.

While the tax cuts recently enacted were supposed to encourage hiring and returning jobs to the US, my bet is that those tax cuts are dwarfed by the effects of 45's tariffs. As I see it, the cracks are starting to become obvious.

Cliff, what will less profits mean to the ability of companies to hire more workers and how are these tariffs going to help? What else is on the plate to return jobs to America?
 
Ford is not the only company American company that is stating reduced revenues and increased costs for their customers. Other industries have lost thousands of jobs, in some cases, because of the increased cost of raw materials. That increased cost makes them less competitive, and I read the other day that so far, the tariffs have failed to quench demand for foreign made products.

The most darkly comic example I've seen with this, from an outsider's perspective, is the damage done to the farming industry. The tariffs had a huge impact, so Trump found $6 billion to redistribute to them. $6 billion he otherwise wouldn't have had to find, had he not imposed the tariffs.

And then he has the temerity to rail against socialism, when a public bailout is socialism in action. And finally to cap it all off, two Republican senators - who also constantly whip up fear of 'socialism' - have applied for bailout money, despite both being millionaires.

It's f'ing crazy.
 
You can't change how we move merchandise/money without making someone hurt. It takes time to compensate and adjust to the changes. No where does that mean we may or may not need the change.
 
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