GPU Pricing Update: Was AMD Radeon RX 7000 Launch a Success?

[Mr Majestyk]

Maybe skip this gen?

Alas I have skipped 2 generations and need to update my cards soon. I do a lot of photo editing that requires gpu acceleration and 8GB is now an impediment for some of AI plugins. I'm going for 16GB at a minimum this time around. Still think the 7900 cards can improve a lot, but currently I would pay more than $600 for the 7900XT in it's current state. I can get second hand 6900XT for $900AUD as cheapest high end offering, 3080's are dearer, 3080 Ti's much dearer, plus 10/12GB not enough of a jump from 8GB.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

Thanks for the interesting write up ! ... I'm noticing all the 'quantifications' are without any numbers ?

From the article:
didn't supply near the amount / surprisingly large amount / huge numbers of sales / more typical in its supply / respectable numbers / easily outsold / with plentiful availability / decent demand / substantially out-supplied

Would it be possible to add some numbers to it, just to get an idea ?
Even anonymously and just as a general overview (of all stores/sources combined) they could offer some interesting insight.

For example, a table showing:

RTX4090: units received | units sold
RTX4080: units received | units sold
7900XTX: units received | units sold
7900XT: units received | units sold

Gamers Nexus did that the other day for a few shops in USA, Taiwan, Germany and UK.

 

[Luay]

I think it's becoming -circumstantially at least- evident that AMD Radeon exists to help Nvidia Geforce avoid monopoly regulations and antitrust laws. Not once since the GTX600 series vs HD6000 series has AMD Undercut Nvidia's price-to-performance rate or even attempted to compete with it.

We can wait for the monopoly regulation to get updated and cover this loophole (which is a technical avoidance of the classification as a monopoly by keeping a deadbeat x-competitor alive) or we can just boycott the VGA market now (or strictly buy last gen only) and hope for a faster market correction.

We can also start writing back to hardware reviewers who rate these products higher than 5 or 6/10 (assuming the performance is a full mark). You can write/talk about how great the performance is, but a rating should always compare prices with how it was before the mining era (+%25-35 inflation) and set the score as it should be (%50 or 60 for performance, TPD and compatibility + %40-50 for price and availability) . I'm not underappreciating the commendable efforts and valuable content created by Steve, Wizard, Guru3D and all these guys, but I'm certain a lot of respect was lost after reading all your ratings/summaries/ conclusions etc. that ends with "must have!" or "%90!"

price rating: 10/10 = double performance per $ of last gen.
0/10 = same performance per $ as last gen.
FAIL = wrose performance per $ from last gen.

 

[McMurdeR]

Maybe skip this gen?

Unfortunately I followed this advice for the last two generations

They've got me this time :- In the end I took the 4080 because of pricing and stock availability of alternatives in Europe. I also upgraded to a 4k display.

I'll say two things - the upgrade is one of the most substantial I've done in years, as along with the display upgrade, older titles I'm still playing get a massive upgrade in visual fidelity.
Secondly, I did well on the second hand market with the hardware I replaced - I was taken aback at how much I got and how quickly I sold it... there's clearly high demand in the second hand market, which I suppose is a reaction to the price of GPUs atm.

In any case, that money offset the cost of the upgrade considerably, so there's at least one reasonably happy 4080 owner on the internet I'm probably the only one..

 

[Roboyt0]

I think it's becoming -circumstantially at least- evident that AMD Radeon exists to help Nvidia Geforce avoid monopoly regulations and antitrust laws. Not once since the GTX600 series vs HD6000 series has AMD Undercut Nvidia's price-to-performance rate or even attempted to compete with it.

Not exactly.

The R9 290(X) gave GTX Titan performance for a fraction of the cost.

AMD caught nvidia sleeping then, and it hasn’t happened since.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-r9-290/26.html

Hawaii architecture was also one of the last that had serious performance left on the table if you won the silicon lottery. I had a R9 290 reference model that would do 1300 MHz core and 1700 MHz on the VRAM. Highly impressive when stock clocks were 947 and 1250 respectively.

 

[nodfor]

Unfortunately I followed this advice for the last two generations

They've got me this time :- In the end I took the 4080 because of pricing and stock availability of alternatives in Europe. I also upgraded to a 4k display.

I'll say two things - the upgrade is one of the most substantial I've done in years, as along with the display upgrade, older titles I'm still playing get a massive upgrade in visual fidelity.
Secondly, I did well on the second hand market with the hardware I replaced - I was taken aback at how much I got and how quickly I sold it... there's clearly high demand in the second hand market, which I suppose is a reaction to the price of GPUs atm.

In any case, that money offset the cost of the upgrade considerably, so there's at least one reasonably happy 4080 owner on the internet I'm probably the only one..

If you were still on Pascal, and didn't want to buy used ampere, yes the 4080 would make some sense. It is not a bad card, I just think the msrp is 300$ higher than what it should be.

 

[McMurdeR]

I am just amazed that so many people have $1000+ to buy a graphics card. The crypto boom totally distorted what people are willing to pay.

Certainly those that are doing it every generation, absolutely staggering. And it's not just GPUs, it's pulling up the cost of everything. New motherboard prices are outrageous atm. My usual two-three year upgrade cycle is now six-seven. It's very sad.

 

[McMurdeR]

If you were still on Pascal, and didn't want to buy used ampere, yes the 4080 would make some sense. It is not a bad card, I just think the msrp is 300$ higher than what it should be.

No arguing with that, I completely agree. High second hand prices also helped me a lot, but not everyone has old stuff to sell.

 

[mrvco]

Maybe skip this gen?

My AM4 / 5700 XT rig is still going strong at 1440p. We'll see what the mid-tier GPU launches bring, but I'm not getting my hopes up for anything that will put my check book in play.

 

[Fastturtle]

I've been on a 10 year upgrade cycle since 2000, so I'm in no hurry to upgrade again. I'm still running a 1060 and 5600xt as both have good DX9 support, which is one reason I'm not upgrading again. I'm also running an R5 3600xt with 128GB of ram and with my use patterns, I don't need to upgrade again until AM6 reaches market.

 

[waclark]

In reality inflation and high prices are just a trick, corporations have much higher margins than ever. They all work together, competition is not a real thing anymore.

If you look at Nvidias margins, they are actually down quite a bit in 2022. At the beginning of the year they were in the high 30s, 37%, now they are in the 20% range.

 

[bl4C3y3]

Gamers Nexus did that the other day for a few shops in USA, Taiwan, Germany and UK.

Thanks for the hint, I checked it out, yes something like that (the table at 12:40) would be useful, but then for all the 4 latest gen graphics cards and with some 'investigative tech journalism' to have a broader view (vs the anecdotical case presented by GN).
I'm also more of a reader than youtube watcher, so it would be nice to get it in written form , and TechSpot's reviews and articles are generally very well written and nice to read, so that's why I'm mentioning it here

 

[Julnor]

I've been on a 10 year upgrade cycle since 2000, so I'm in no hurry to upgrade again. I'm still running a 1060 and 5600xt as both have good DX9 support, which is one reason I'm not upgrading again. I'm also running an R5 3600xt with 128GB of ram and with my use patterns, I don't need to upgrade again until AM6 reaches market.

I truly hope your 1060 holds out, but ime GPUs all fail at some point. I remember the old lifetime guarantees EVGA and maybe a couple of others did, they'd do anything to refuse to honor them and the warranty periods began to shrink down across the board.

At this point I've had 6 different GPUs, 5 have failed somewhere in the 6-8 year range. They usually show signs prior to that, clearly degradation in performance, before they fail. That can happen in as little as 3 years, and the card might keep going for awhile, but the failure is inevitable. At first I thought it was from OC, but I no longer OC GPUs and haven't for some time, and they still do fail.

I was hoping the RTX 40 series would have good DX9 support, is Nvidia as poor on that as AMD is? Maybe we need to hope Intel gets their Arc stuff working well.

 

[Warrior247]

Who writes this stuff, seriously? There is a lot of manipulation with AMD. Releasing a card in low numbers to give the appearance of pent up demand laughable. The card is available right now on Newegg to be purchased. The 7900 XTX is also wrought with problems that AMD is investigating or trying to fix. It’s inferior to Nvidia’s 40 series cards because it lacks many of the graphical features of those cards. Stay far, far, away.

The problem isn’t price. There are GPUs at every price point, so what’s the problem? People are complaining about cards they can’t afford or never had any intentions of buying in the first place. The problem isn’t price, it’s scalpers. Nobody seems to want to do anything about this. Pre-orders, and limited buys could put a dent in their influence in the market.

 

[Athlonite]

Prices here in Gougelandastan (NZ) just so you all can have a really good laugh
Radeon 7900XTX $2019 stock rebadged GPU or $2300 if you want the red devil version
Radeon 7900XT $1,598.99 stock rebadged GPU or XFX MERC310 Gaming $1,649.00
RTX 4090 $3,439.00
RTX 4080 $2,199.00

these are the cheapest prices available here in my little wallet gouging pisspot of a country

 

[Warrior247]

Prices here in Gougelandastan (NZ) just so you all can have a really good laugh
Radeon 7900XTX $2019 stock rebadged GPU or $2300 if you want the red devil version
Radeon 7900XT $1,598.99 stock rebadged GPU or XFX MERC310 Gaming $1,649.00
RTX 4090 $3,439.00
RTX 4080 $2,199.00

these are the cheapest prices available here in my little wallet gouging pisspot of a country

You’re focusing on the 7900 series that isn’t worth buying right now at any price point! The 4090 isn’t available at all, and if it is, it’s going for the same price in the United States! The 4080 is the best GPU available right now. But most likely you weren’t buying those cards anyway. There are other cards coming out, or are already out, that you can afford. That’s the point of my post.

 

[Athlonite]

The 4080 is the best GPU available right now. No it is not not at those prices I couldn't give two sh!ts about DLSS or RTX I don't need nor require either

 

[Warrior247]

The 4080 is the best GPU available right now. No it is not not at those prices I couldn't give two sh!ts about DLSS or RTX I don't need nor require either

Thanks for proving my point! You’re not buying ANY of those cards anyway. You’re just complaining about nothing. You have no real problem, as every solution brings on excuses of why you can’t do anything, or afford anything. Intel is available for under $400.00. But you knew that. You can also buy a console, or laptop. Power and price were the whines of 2022. Yet the Nvidia cards are selling out! The Nintendo Switch is calling your name since you can’t afford PC gaming.

 

[Athlonite]

Thanks for proving my point! You’re not buying ANY of those cards anyway. You’re just complaining about nothing. You have no real problem, as every solution brings on excuses of why you can’t do anything, or afford anything. Intel is available for under $400.00. But you knew that. You can also buy a console, or laptop. Power and price were the whines of 2022. Yet the Nvidia cards are selling out! The Nintendo Switch is calling your name since you can’t afford PC gaming.

that's alot of tosh from someone who doesn't know me or my circumstances a bleeding edge system is well within my budget I just don't see anything worth spending the money on at this point in time maybe in a year or so but at this point it's a nope oh and intels garbage GPU would be a step down from what I already have in my PC

 

[Warrior247]

that's alot of tosh from someone who doesn't know me or my circumstances a bleeding edge system is well within my budget I just don't see anything worth spending the money on at this point in time maybe in a year or so but at this point it's a nope oh and intels garbage GPU would be a step down from what I already have in my PC

I don’t have to “know” you, to see right through you! As I called it, and “you” pointed out, You’re not buying anything anyway, no matter the price. So you’re whining about nothing. Btw, Intel’s GPU is not garbage. It’s one of the better sub $400 GPUs out there.

 

[3ogdy]

The RX 7800 was supposed to be €550 in Europe. Nowhere to be found for less than €570 for the most basic version. They're usually between €600 - €700.
There's just no chance this is acceptable, but since there are still RX 6800 XTs on the market and the RX 7800 XT is not much better, they need to differentiate the two. They'll have to get the pricing in check, though.