Don't forget PSU. For many upgraders you also have a new power supply to get. Especially if you're upgrading GPU. This is an expensive upgrade generation. I honestly think Intel, AMD, and Nvidia all will miss on their targets this quarter and likely Q1 2023.
Intel Core i5-13600K vs. AMD Ryzen 5 7600X
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Don't forget PSU. For many upgraders you also have a new power supply to get. Especially if you're upgrading GPU. This is an expensive upgrade generation. I honestly think Intel, AMD, and Nvidia all will miss on their targets this quarter and likely Q1 2023.
This has become a tremendous strength of AMD. I'm not much of a gamer so my main system uses a B450 MB 1 year ago @ $69.99, 16 GB DDR-4 3200 RAM (2 DIMMS @ $79.99), and an AMD Ryzen 3600 @ $149 reusing case, EVA Gold 550 PSU and other parts - PCI-E 3 512 GB boot drive, 512 GB SATA SSD, and 8 TB spinning HD, and ext 8 and 6 TB drive. Have over 7 TB of videos that are kept on internal primary drive, B/U to ext drives and backed up off site. 7600X is completely uncompetitive without B650 MB's under $100. Also, my B/U system is still running an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 which is more than capable purchases way back when the Ryzen 5 series started at $199 and completely wiped out any Intel parts when Zen 1 came out. If necessary I still have the opportunity to upgrade the 3600 to a 5 series part when they close out and will outstanding performance on the same B450 MB - try that with an intel part.
I believe they simply meant 2021. It should say: "it's the obvious choice, just as the 12600K was when we reviewed it back in late 2021."
Techspot, thank you for all the effort in your tests! I really love your style.
One point though:
I understand why a 4090 is a great GPU to show all the little CPU differences in gaming performance. Still, most consumers use (much) weaker GPUs, even if they seem to be soon obsolete with Ada and RDNA3.
Please (pretty please) include at least one simple chart with some older 6800XT/6900XT or RTX3080/3090 in Ultra WQHD / 4k for the new cpus. We don't need a lot of benchmark work with 12 games, something like a single CP2077 run or another typical AAA title would be sufficient.
Even if the chart shows the boring GPU Limit with the new CPUs with anything weaker than a RTX4090 (because that's what I expect and even like to see as an eye candy high rez gamer on a budget). The chart may be boring but it helps me to decide what upgrade is most bang for my buck.
One point though:
I understand why a 4090 is a great GPU to show all the little CPU differences in gaming performance. Still, most consumers use (much) weaker GPUs, even if they seem to be soon obsolete with Ada and RDNA3.
Please (pretty please) include at least one simple chart with some older 6800XT/6900XT or RTX3080/3090 in Ultra WQHD / 4k for the new cpus. We don't need a lot of benchmark work with 12 games, something like a single CP2077 run or another typical AAA title would be sufficient.
Even if the chart shows the boring GPU Limit with the new CPUs with anything weaker than a RTX4090 (because that's what I expect and even like to see as an eye candy high rez gamer on a budget). The chart may be boring but it helps me to decide what upgrade is most bang for my buck.
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MarcusNumb
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I can't agree with you more. I know it will be more work for the Techspot team but it will be more meaningful and realistic to potential customers or readers like us to have a wider range of GPUs tested with new CPUs.
For example, a 3050 and a 3070 from team green, and a 6500xt and a 6700xt for team red. Ofc let's avoid top range CPUs like 13900k or 5900x, but lower tier CPUs, especially 13600k, 13700k, 5600x and 5800x, it will be very useful for us to have a wider range of GPUs.
CPU/GPU scaling across other GPU/CPU combinations is left for other articles, because it's a lot of extra work:
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In this review we want to see how the Ryzen 5 5600X, Ryzen 7 5800X, Ryzen 9 5900X and 5950X compare in gaming performance using the RTX...
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Ryzen 7 1700 vs. Ryzen 3 3300X: GPU Scaling
AMD's old-time favorite, the Ryzen 7 1700 seems to have aged rather well. Budget PC builders right now can choose between a Ryzen 3 3300X or a...
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4 Years of Ryzen 5, CPU & GPU Scaling Benchmark
We want to see how the Ryzen 5 1600X, 2600X, 3600X and 5600X compare in half a dozen games using the GeForce RTX 3090, RTX 3070, Radeon...
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Yes, they corrected the article already to reflect that, but it really could have gone either way because the 2600K was an absolute beast. XD
But what happened to '5' series parts that could be adequately cooled with something like this for $20?
Also, 360mm coolers aren't really compatible with the majority of cases out there; 240 or maybe 280 sure.
The fact an i5 will still thermal throttle with a 360mm water cooler is kind of a joke. That's the point I was getting at...
The 7600X doesn't fair much better either. Which is why it would be interesting to see how these CPU's perform with limited power budgets. Buildzoid's YouTube channel did synthetic benchmark scaling for the 7950X and found the overwhelming majority of performance to be had with 175W power budget compared to maxed out at 275W. Reducing TDP in this fashion would have extremely minimal negative impact for gaming since many threads/cores aren't used for gaming.
This is what I'm talking about with reduced power budgets as seen in testing by Der8auer:
Limiting the 13900K and 7950X to 90W power limit and the vast majority of performance is maintained for gaming. Der8auer then went as far as an undervolt and underclock for the 13900K to sip 60W while gaming and it still maintained 90% of the capability for games.
That is some good stuff! thanks for the review
m3tavision
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I just saw the leaked CPU-Z benchmarks for Core i5-13400 and this 10-core CPU performs very close to the R5 7600X. If it is priced at the USD 200 level, it would be viable to put this chip on a DDR5 motherboard to extract the maximum performance from a budget chip. And the whole setup should still cost less than an AM5 system.
Hi I've been comparing the 13600k with the 7600x. Every review I can find shows the Intel ahead except for here. Farcry 6 at 1080p here they are even but every other review I can find has the 13600k ahead by 10-30%. Is there something I'm missing? I've checked test setups for similar memory speeds etc.
What means 10-30% faster in raw numbers? I guess others tested very low settings etc that nobody really uses.
captaincranky
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To be fair, the LGA 1700 socket has already had more than a year of support. The release dates are staggered by a year. So yeah, AMD's new socket will have, (ostensibly AFAWK), longer support, but, it's only by default.
AlaskaGuy
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCDR9M33
Intel Core i5-13600K $300.00 USD
Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU
Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.
No it's fps percentage difference between the 13600k and 7600x in each review, so same settings used in each individual review and all of them 1080p. Like in Gamers Nexus the 13600k is ahead by 12%, on techpowerup it's ahead 28%, kitguru 21% etc. Only here it's pretty much 0% difference.
AlaskaGuy
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Yeah, their Far Cry 6 1080p test was about the closest result I could find to Techspot. 161.7 vs 149.2 fps (13600k 8.4% faster). I'm guessing TS must use a different methodology to the other sites, maybe it's game benchmark vs real game play.TH also has the 13600K beating the 7600X by a significant margin.
As we all should know, there are endless ways to do "same" benchmark and so results may be different. Explanations for different results may be different testing methodology or even different motherboard (one overclocks, another not).
AlaskaGuy
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$430 AMD chip beats every Intel CPU except one that is $169 dollars more expensive and consumes around 200 watts more power. I call that win for AMD.
Of course I understand things better than these "professionals" that can just look which bar is longest...
Not to mention selecting few different games will change graph considerably.
These results are completely contrary to testing done by Tom's Hardware that showed the 13600k totally trouncing the 7600 in the battery of 1080p gaming tests.
I was resigned to not being able to purchase AMD for my next gaming rig because Tom's showed them clearly inferior, but this review shows that the 7600 is in many ways superior to a 13600k outfitted with expensive DDR5 and completely dominates the Intel chip running DDR4.
How can such similar tests result in such opposite results? Are results being distorted or fabricated on one site or the other to help sell CPUs?
I was resigned to not being able to purchase AMD for my next gaming rig because Tom's showed them clearly inferior, but this review shows that the 7600 is in many ways superior to a 13600k outfitted with expensive DDR5 and completely dominates the Intel chip running DDR4.
How can such similar tests result in such opposite results? Are results being distorted or fabricated on one site or the other to help sell CPUs?
AlaskaGuy
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Check out Guru3D and TechPowerUp also. Only AMD Unboxed has the 7600X beating the 13600K on average.
I just did and that made it even worse.
Guru3D is using a lot of older games - Witcher 3, Far Cry 6 (Techspot uses New Dawn), F1 2020 (Techspot uses 2022). I would consider benchmarks using newer games to be a bit more valid in predicting future performance.
I then looked at some same-game metrics and it got terrible. Techpowerup ran FarCry 6 at 1080p and placed the 13600K at 159fps and 7600X at 124.5. Techspot had them both at 180fps on the same game/res. This isn't a tiny variation - this is a huge variation.
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