Why would I spend double the money for a ryzen CPU when the 270k is 299$? You are not making sense man
Intel Core Ultra 5 250K Plus Review: They Did It
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He should buy what fits his needs. Not everyone is sold on the AMD platform, and people who prioritize productivity over gaming like Intel.
We get it, you’re an AMD fan. But would you still feel the same if Intel takes back the gaming crown next generation?
Spending $500 on a CPU just to gain a few extra FPS doesn’t make much sense when something like a 250K is around $199 and already delivers strong performance. If someone needs to build right now, that Ryzen platform is ~$300 more and ram pricing, that's huge!
And the whole “I can upgrade later” argument with future Ryzen chips sounds good on paper, but in reality you’ll likely miss out on newer features by staying on an older motherboard anyway.
I’m not loyal to either side, I run AMD, Intel, and even a Mac. I just look at value.
At 1080p, sure, a 9800X3D is a bit better for gaming. But for ~$280 more? Once you factor in total platform cost, that advantage doesn’t look nearly as compelling right now and a whole lot worse if Intel takes the lead. You AMD fans will be buying a new MB anyway.
jpvalverde85
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Steven, you have not tested the Binary Optimization tool. I know is a software solution to a hardware issue (kinda gimmick), but seems it can provide an interesting amount of extra performance for the Intel side (It would be cool to watch how much improves for older Arrow Lake based and if it does something with Raptor Lake based processors).
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What is the difference between "dead platform" "dead socket" "no upgrade path"? You just sound like the normal amd drone that spews out nonsense.
Chip isn't inefficient at all, it's actually one of the most efficient chips you can currently buy for MT workloads. Limit it to 150w and it's a chart topper in both performance and efficiency.
Have fun with the explosive x3d chips though.
lol...AMDs platform is dead, socket is dead...nothing is upgradeable on any platform. Even if you can install a cpu and its works, doesn't mean its smart. Your still missing platform features...which makes upgrading on an old motherboard pointless, as you and I know when you do....you will starving for what you dont have and will buy a new one any way!.
So narrow minded...spouting same old nonsense!
I got the same CPU GPU combo. But I am planning to trade in CPU for ultra 270 Plus which is coming out within days. I would not do it if I had to pay full price, but with trade in, I would get a nice boost.
Intel has been putting out great performance in productivity apps with those E cores. They are not Atom cores.
No x3d chip is cheap. Not by a long shot. The 7500x3d is more expensive then a 270k plus, which will beat it in real world benchmarks because x3d can only achieve so much with only 6 cores.
5800x3d was absolutely worth it....when you could pick one up for ~159 like I did. but at their original $400+ price it was only for those who wanted the biggest E peen.
Its the same issue now. 99% of users will nto see a difference between a 250k plus and a 9800x3d, they will be GPU limited all the time. The only real exception is people like me that play Sins of a solar empire, Supreme commander, or Starcraft II which all easily double their performance in the presence of 3d cache. Nobody I can see has done arrow lake testing with these games, so who knows what the 250k can do with sufficient memory speed.
I've tested TTW (the Troy one but I dont think it really matters), when you get into a huge 1000vs1000 army x3d shits the bed. Game maxes out every core available - and the 9800x 3d drops to around 140 fps (which is still great) when my old 12900k is sitting at ~150. I'd assume the newer beefier Intels will be faster than my 12900k.
On the other hand, in the ingame bench of TTW the x3d is ~35% faster than 12900k.
amstech
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For 1440p gaming it wont be a noticeable difference so I'll stick with my overclocked 265K.
It is a good upgrade if you are not planning any upgrades for a long time. And I am firm on
using this PC till it is utterly outdated.
Newegg gives 230 dollars for 265k. Therefore, 270 plus would only cost something a bit over 100 dollars. It is a really attractive deal.
Great CPU released a year too late. I was upgrading my HTPC/gaming PC 12700f DDR4 about 9 months ago. I went with Ryzen 7700 after long hesitation to go for 14600k. If 250k plus was released a year ago I would probably go for it. Now I can buy 7800x3d for €300 and sell my 7700 for €150. With Intel I would be stuck with the dead platform. Hopefully their next socket will have competitive CPUs and they would keep the same socket for 4 generations of CPUs
daffy duck
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As a 4K gamer without. 5090, X3D would deliver barely any improvement over my 9700X all for $350 more in Australia. One thing people ignore is how much better Intel is for 1% lows, with the 9800X3D rarely beating the 270K in that regard in majority of cases. Compared to the non X3D parts Intels kicks AMDs but in 1% lows.
Noval Lake with bLLC should be a true beast, but the price may be insane and I'm sure even a i5 Nova Lake will be far better than anything we've seen to date.
LimyG
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So Intel finally releases a good value, I think it's fair to say, CPU.
Problem is that the memory will likely be more than the CPU. Then theres the tragedy of W11.
No wonder there is a decline in home/custom built gaming PCs. I'll be holding on to my current system which still holds up very well in every game I own.
I normally build an uber gaming build every 4 to 5 years. Best matched components and the best CPU/GPU/memory and mobo on the market at the time of planning and building.
Well I am now all top notch tech from 2020 & 2021. So going on 6 years. I have no idea when I'll build a new one. If the market stays as it is, then, - never!
Finally, I am glad I built my last rig with a view to future proofing (expected max of that 4 years).
But going on 6 years and it still does all I need games wise. I do run a 170Hz 1440p AGON quantum dot monitor to be fair. If I had gone 4k, some games wouldn't be playable.
Still some credit to Intel for (finally) releasing a capable budget CPU. Can't blame them for DDR insanitiy and broken OSs.
Problem is that the memory will likely be more than the CPU. Then theres the tragedy of W11.
No wonder there is a decline in home/custom built gaming PCs. I'll be holding on to my current system which still holds up very well in every game I own.
I normally build an uber gaming build every 4 to 5 years. Best matched components and the best CPU/GPU/memory and mobo on the market at the time of planning and building.
Well I am now all top notch tech from 2020 & 2021. So going on 6 years. I have no idea when I'll build a new one. If the market stays as it is, then, - never!
Finally, I am glad I built my last rig with a view to future proofing (expected max of that 4 years).
But going on 6 years and it still does all I need games wise. I do run a 170Hz 1440p AGON quantum dot monitor to be fair. If I had gone 4k, some games wouldn't be playable.
Still some credit to Intel for (finally) releasing a capable budget CPU. Can't blame them for DDR insanitiy and broken OSs.
LimyG
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After reading quite a few of the posts, it appears the love for AMD with XD3 is turning into heart break (being melodramatic).
I've never owned an AMD CPU, always Intel. If/when I build a new rig looks like I'll be sticking to Intel. The reasons. 1. Better late than never. Intel may, just may be starting to offer good value CPUs which game well.
2. In this thread and else where it's quite dramatic how the euporia over the X3D gaming chips seems, well mostly gone.
So was AMDs 9800X3D Ryzen 7 just a "flash in the pan?" I couldn't say, but it seems that way?
I've never owned an AMD CPU, always Intel. If/when I build a new rig looks like I'll be sticking to Intel. The reasons. 1. Better late than never. Intel may, just may be starting to offer good value CPUs which game well.
2. In this thread and else where it's quite dramatic how the euporia over the X3D gaming chips seems, well mostly gone.
So was AMDs 9800X3D Ryzen 7 just a "flash in the pan?" I couldn't say, but it seems that way?
12700 to 7700 is more like a side / downgrade than anything resembling an upgrade, lol.
With the intel setup you could sell your CPU + mobo just like youd do with ryzen and upgrade. I don't get your point really...
amstech
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Agreed, but I won't need to upgrade till 2035.
I am looking at 4K OLED monitors and the gaming difference at 4K compared to the best CPU's is virtually nothing. 1440p and above gamers need not worry.
However the Arrow Lake refresh is nice, it shows how impressive the platform can be, and these are lower end models. I think Intel could make something wild like a 290K but it would spoil Nova Lake's introduction.
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