No Ryzen Killer: Intel Core Ultra 5 225F Review

I knew the Intel Core Ultras had a productivity advantage, but I didn't know it was such a
butt whopping. But I'm assuming that all the CPUs in this are comparable, but don't know for sure.
 
I keep rooting for Intel because competition matters, but at this point it’s hard to defend some of these launches.

This CPU should be a ~$100 part, not $160. Especially given how out of hand DDR5 pricing still is. Hell, you can even step up to the 245K for about $20 more, which is arguably the better deal.
 
I'm sure someone will point out some CPU, however, I would be surprised if any CPU coming from Intel, now or in the near future, or the past, for that matter - like this CPU, will even come close to AMD offerings even on equal footings.

Intel just seems to have lost any competitive edge. Albeit, I hope they somehow manage to stay in the CPU business because if AMD had a monopoly, it could go to its head and we'd likely end up with yet another company full of hubris like Intel.
 
I'm sure someone will point out some CPU, however, I would be surprised if any CPU coming from Intel, now or in the near future, or the past, for that matter - like this CPU, will even come close to AMD offerings even on equal footings.

Intel just seems to have lost any competitive edge. Albeit, I hope they somehow manage to stay in the CPU business because if AMD had a monopoly, it could go to its head and we'd likely end up with yet another company full of hubris like Intel.
The death of Intel has been greatly exaggerated. The 285k and 265k are competitive with non 3d AMD chips in games, and win in productivity benchmarks. Unlike Bulldozer, Intel isnt actually that far behind right now. What they need to do is get their fabs sorted out and reduce power use. Even then, their mobile focused bins score very well on efficiency and offer better battery life then comparable AMD hardware.
 
The death of Intel has been greatly exaggerated. The 285k and 265k are competitive with non 3d AMD chips in games, and win in productivity benchmarks. Unlike Bulldozer, Intel isnt actually that far behind right now. What they need to do is get their fabs sorted out and reduce power use. Even then, their mobile focused bins score very well on efficiency and offer better battery life then comparable AMD hardware.
285K etc may be "competitive" against AMD chips but only because Intel added more cores than AMD did. Now problem is that AMD can also add more cores and then AMD is again well ahead. Of course adding more cores tend to increase power consumption so that approach hits wall somewhere. But Intel hits that wall first.

Mobile is not and has never been about efficiency and/or battery life. Likewise servers have never been about low power consumption.
 
Obviously, not a great processor and I am not really trying to defend it. However, it would be interesting to see this test done with a low/mid GPU like the RX7600/5060/5060Ti. Clearly, nobody is going to pair this cpu with a 2.5-3k GPU like the 5090.
 
285K etc may be "competitive" against AMD chips but only because Intel added more cores than AMD did. Now problem is that AMD can also add more cores and then AMD is again well ahead. Of course adding more cores tend to increase power consumption so that approach hits wall somewhere. But Intel hits that wall first.

Mobile is not and has never been about efficiency and/or battery life. Likewise servers have never been about low power consumption.
Agreed! I specifically left out power consumption from my post and someone fell into the PIT of Power Consumption I left wide-open. :rolleyes:
 
One thing that is bugging me about a lot of these comparisons is that the testing hardware isnt being made to be as similar as possible.
Three different memory speeds across the three test benches when they should be equal. Three vastly different motherboards.
These things matter when testing performance and I've seen more than techspot doing this.
Also, if someone is using a 5090 OC, they have a 9800X3D. For gaming there would be no reason to have that card and not get the best gaming CPU to go with it.
 
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