Intel Core X vs. AMD Ryzen Threadripper: What we know so far

Squid Surprise

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This looks to me like intel's damage control move. Probably ryzen undercut their highest end desktop cpu line (the spot where margins are probably very high compared to mainstream), simply by offering 90% of the high end of intel's HEDT but costing less than half. All in all, that 7800x can still be enticing to some folks that can make use of it. Ultimately, we'll need to wait and see AMD's pricing on threadripper. At last we can see some serious competition in the field, I hope AMD has enough breath to come up with even better configurations in short term
So how do you figure that? Intel's high-end CPU is being undercut because it's only marginally faster than the AMD flagship and vastly more expensive.... So they release a chip that's a little faster and even MORE expensive?

This has very little to do with Ryzen and lots to do with Intel just looking for more profits... as I said earlier, let's hope it bombs and forces them to actually take Ryzen into consideration and maybe drop prices :)
 
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Julio Franco

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I'm really not complaining about you, it's about Techspot's policy...There's a lot of data in the presentation Lisa Su and others gave at Computex and this site never mentioned it or gave a link to.
There is no such policy. We covered Intel's Core and AMD's Threadripper announcements from Computex. We plan to review both. Here's an additional column from Steve.

About Vega. There was no Vega announcement. They "showed" the card, but that is not news. We've been covering Vega rumors and bits of information for over a year now:
https://www.techspot.com/tag/vega/

When there's more news, we'll cover them, and when time comes we'll test Vega.
 

HardReset

TS Guru
"very risky" is a bit wrong. Tools exist to do it on LGA 11x chips, from ivy to kaby. It wont be long until a tool for core X exists too.

That being said, it shouldnt be needed. Intel cheaped out on these, no excuse.
LGA115x stuff is quite easy. LGA2066 CPU's have lot more capacitors under HS so that's much more harder as you can see there
 

HardReset

TS Guru
Intel has nothing to fear by being behind (if that is even what you can call this) for one generation. If anyone thinks Intel is afraid, they are sadly mistaken. Can you imagine the processing power, if Intel decides to put out a package the size/TDP of this monstrosity AMD has?
Where did you get this "TDP monstrocity"? As Threadripper is 4 Ryzen CCX's on same package, we can expect that 3.3 GHz base clock 16-core Threadripper would be somewhere around 150W-160W TDP.

For comparison, Intel's latest 10-core with 3.3 GHz base clock is 140W TDP part.
 
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ChrisH1

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I wonder if there's a motherboard easily available that'll take two Core i9-7980XEs. And if Windows 10 can handle it.

The restless mind ....
 

tipstir

TS Ambassador
My, my such a heated debate over a CPU specs. I want them to work with the internals of what makes up a desktop and laptop PC first before building another workstation or server models. Right now with the cost of prices of these new chips who are they aiming for to buy such hardware. I am not in no rush to have one.
 

Tgard

TS Booster
Intel needs to get a grip in my opinion and get with it on pricing. Hopefully this move by AMD will do that as in bring the pricing down. I agree this is a move by Intel by rebranding Xeons somewhat to make it look like they are doing something right now to compete with the AMD surprise. Intel will still make money BUT the will lose some sales. They will still be top dog but profits will not be as much or they will get in line with pricing.

Some of us are still using Sandy Bridge (like me!) I have updated SSDs 4 times and Video Cards twice since I built my system as the processor was fast enough. I have only been tempted to upgrade for a new Motherboard and I am getting close to upgrading. I am pretty sure I will go with Ryzen as soon as I am sure about Motherboards. Building my daughter a gaming machine also small form factor and it will be base on Ryzen. Almost ready to pull the trigger and just picking out parts right now. 90% of what Intel is offering at half to two-thirds the price is good enough for both of our desktops so Ryzen it will be. I will also mostly be recommending Ryzen to anyone in the family looking to build a desktop right now unless Intel does something seriously about their pricing. That is right now anyways and I may feel differently in 6 months or so.
 
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wizardB

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You forgot to mention that the Ryzen is here now Threadripper next month and Intel's offering is slated for next year.
 
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You forgot to mention that the Ryzen is here now Threadripper next month and Intel's offering is slated for next year.
But Intel's offering is NOT slated for next year... it's for later THIS year...
http://wccftech.com/intels-skylake-x-core-i9-7980x-wont-be-available-until-next-year/

The 18-core won't be available until next year. They didn't specify yet for the 14- or 16-core chips, but their official wording is "delayed availability"...but it's probably safe to say that, since those chips use the same silicon as the 18-core chips ("HCC" or "High Core Count"), you're looking at maybe mid- to late 4Q 2017 on those, but possibly also being delayed until next year.
 
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Squid Surprise

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http://wccftech.com/intels-skylake-x-core-i9-7980x-wont-be-available-until-next-year/

The 18-core won't be available until next year. They didn't specify yet for the 14- or 16-core chips, but their official wording is "delayed availability"...but it's probably safe to say that, since those chips use the same silicon as the 18-core chips ("HCC" or "High Core Count"), you're looking at maybe mid- to late 4Q 2017 on those, but possibly also being delayed until next year.
This article was posted on Thursday - well before your link existed...... and if you read the update on your own link, the 18-core part will actually come out LATER THIS YEAR....
 
Ah, I missed the update in the article.

But seriously, dude... you're going to quibble about a 48-hour difference? Maybe a 2-day timeframe can be considered "well before" if we were discussing mayfly lifespans...but in terms of the timeframe for when this tech is going to be released, it's a drop in the bucket.
 

Squid Surprise

TS Evangelist
Ah, I missed the update in the article.

But seriously, dude... you're going to quibble about a 48-hour difference? Maybe a 2-day timeframe can be considered "well before" if we were discussing mayfly lifespans...but in terms of the timeframe for when this tech is going to be released, it's a drop in the bucket.
lol... no... the time difference between articles is only relevant because you asked why Techspot didn't mention that the Intel offerings were coming late.... How could they if no one knew that they would be late when the article was written!?!??!

And as it turns out, your info was wrong anyways, so Techspot is correct :)
 

Julio Franco

TechSpot Editor
Staff member
Unfortunately, just a little after I commented/mentioned you here, we found out about the "fake" benchmark, so we've updated that story. People were flocking to it, many looking forward to AMD's next.
 

maikal

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When ever I read articles about Intel CPU's and GPU's I realize I don't understand why I bother. To me Intel=Apple! and both together equal things I can't afford anyways!
 

Johnnyblaze1957

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Unfortunately, just a little after I commented/mentioned you here, we found out about the "fake" benchmark, so we've updated that story. People were flocking to it, many looking forward to AMD's next.
When I click on the pic of the day link in my email why do I always end up here so frustrating.
 

Anodyne

TS Rookie
These new X-series CPUs are impressive but also not impressive from Intel. The price for the performance is outrageously out of balance. The market for $1,000+ desktop CPUs is severely limited and yet Intel basically guns for it with these chips. You have to go buy the Kaby Lake i5 or i7 to get into reasonable price territory.

So all of this information basically tells me: buy Ryzen. I can get a Ryzen 7 1700 for under $300 already and by the time I am ready to to a PC rebuild this all will be even cheaper. Many Ryzen chips already outperform current X-series Intel chips and come in at way lower prices. AMD really put themselves in a great position going forward with Ryzen. That chipset has finally brought some balance in the desktop market after Intel had been running away with the competition for so many years. If Intel wants to play at the high-end spectrum that's fine but it's all way to pricey for the majority of us.
 

Anodyne

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Intel needs to get a grip in my opinion and get with it on pricing. Hopefully this move by AMD will do that as in bring the pricing down. I agree this is a move by Intel by rebranding Xeons somewhat to make it look like they are doing something right now to compete with the AMD surprise. Intel will still make money BUT the will lose some sales. They will still be top dog but profits will not be as much or they will get in line with pricing.

Some of us are still using Sandy Bridge (like me!) I have updated SSDs 4 times and Video Cards twice since I built my system as the processor was fast enough. I have only been tempted to upgrade for a new Motherboard and I am getting close to upgrading. I am pretty sure I will go with Ryzen as soon as I am sure about Motherboards. Building my daughter a gaming machine also small form factor and it will be base on Ryzen. Almost ready to pull the trigger and just picking out parts right now. 90% of what Intel is offering at half to two-thirds the price is good enough for both of our desktops so Ryzen it will be. I will also mostly be recommending Ryzen to anyone in the family looking to build a desktop right now unless Intel does something seriously about their pricing. That is right now anyways and I may feel differently in 6 months or so.
I'm in the same boat. Ryzen is an attractive upgrade from my Ivy Bridge i5-3570k and the costs is so reasonable. I'll have to buy a new MOBO and CPU and probably upgrade my RAM but it's worth it for that kind of step up in performance. I'm tired of my i5 getting reamed by iTunes and being a bottleneck for PC gaming.