Intel in talks to produce AMD chips in its factories

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In context: Former CEO Pat Gelsinger openly called for Intel to produce chips for all major tech players, including competitors. Intel's current chief executive, Lip-Bu Tan, has said the company might eventually scale back from its most advanced production node if it fails to attract sufficient outsourcing demand – a risk that makes high-profile clients like AMD increasingly important. For AMD, Intel's foundries would not replace TSMC's capabilities, but they could provide an additional source of supply – and potentially a political safeguard at a time when chipmaking is as much about national security as technology.

Intel has opened early discussions with longtime rival AMD about producing some of AMD's chips in its factories, people familiar with the matter told Semafor. Such a deal would mark fresh validation for Intel's struggling foundry business.

The talks remain preliminary, and it is unclear whether AMD would shift a significant portion of its manufacturing to Intel or whether any agreement would include a direct investment from AMD. Sources cautioned that no final decision has been made and that discussions could still fail to produce a deal. Both companies declined to comment.

Reports of the talks come after a series of developments that have strengthened Intel's position following months of weak performance in cutting-edge chips.

In the past seven weeks, the company has secured high-profile backers: the US government took a 9.9% ownership stake, SoftBank acquired $2 billion in stock, and Nvidia invested $5 billion while also agreeing to co-develop chips with Intel. Apple has also reportedly been in discussions with Intel about potential support.

AMD currently relies primarily on TSMC to manufacture its processors and graphics chips. Intel does not yet have the capability to produce AMD's most advanced and profitable products, but it could manufacture less demanding chips.

Such an arrangement could also serve AMD's political interests. Earlier this year, Washington restricted AMD's ability to export chips to China – rules that were later partially loosened by the Trump administration. Maintaining close alignment with US manufacturing policy could be advantageous as the White House continues to tie industrial policy with national security.

Intel's factories still lag behind TSMC's in cutting-edge process technology, but the Trump administration has pressed major US companies to bring at least part of their manufacturing to domestic facilities. For companies like AMD, striking a manufacturing deal with Intel could ease political pressure while preserving TSMC relationships for higher-end production.

Intel has spent much of this year courting potential customers and investors as it seeks to establish its foundry unit as a credible rival to TSMC and Samsung.

Once the dominant player in personal computing chips, Intel has fallen behind in the AI race led by Nvidia. Securing AMD as a customer would represent a major breakthrough for Intel's manufacturing business, transforming a historic rivalry into a strategic partnership.

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Not sure how feasible this would be but, could Intel build the IO die, and do the packaging, but the CCD's and X3D CCD's all be done by TSMC? I'm just spit balling here, I don't know if any of that's possible.

As far as I'm aware, Zen6 is using a completely different interconnect between IO die and CCD's than the current way AMD has been doing it. From what I gather only TSMC has the capability to do it this new way, so the latest and greatest will still be TSMC based, but if Intel could pump out Zen5,4,3 IO dies and do the packaging for them all, that's still pretty decent.
 
Not sure how feasible this would be but, could Intel build the IO die, and do the packaging, but the CCD's and X3D CCD's all be done by TSMC? I'm just spit balling here, I don't know if any of that's possible.

As far as I'm aware, Zen6 is using a completely different interconnect between IO die and CCD's than the current way AMD has been doing it. From what I gather only TSMC has the capability to do it this new way, so the latest and greatest will still be TSMC based, but if Intel could pump out Zen5,4,3 IO dies and do the packaging for them all, that's still pretty decent.
yes since the IOD is seperate from the CPu cores. The original IOD was built on Glofo 12nm and was later moved to TSMC 6nm.

The next IOD will be built on TSMC 3 or 2, so likely theyd use intel for chipsets, although they could port an IOD to intel depending on how well it works. The Glofo contract rna out this year, so AMD will be looking to move to a bette rnode.
 
How many intel products have died due to pre-early degradation and bad process nodes? I have had a few products that suffer from the above while products from the competition are still running and functioning till this day.

 
What I've been thinking for a while is that AMD needs to make a big move on the desktop market before they're completely irrelevant.
If they were to lose a console contract for the PS6 then how many Devs are going to bother testing on AMD during game development?
The desktop is almost exclusively Nvidia and we already saw games shipped in a state where framegen is needed before AMD could do it.

So what AMD needs is an amazing bang a buck graphics card. Say a 60 and 70 class product at $250 and $350. Something that sells so much that it'll be in steam survey most used GPU top 5 within 6 months after launch.

It doesn't need to be super efficient. It doesn't need AI bells and whistles. All it needs is volume and I bet Intel can help with that
 
The desktop is almost exclusively Nvidia ...
The notebooks.
Thank to notebooks manufacturers.
Even Intel wanted to get this market ... and failed.

... we already saw games shipped in a state where framegen is needed before AMD could do it.
You should go out off that cave and check the outside world more often.
You have missed some or more things.

So what AMD needs is an amazing bang a buck graphics card. Say a 60 and 70 class product at $250 and $350.
I relly "like" those nVidia fans who ask for cheaper AMD cards just in hope they could buy another nVidia card cheaper.
 
How many intel products have died due to pre-early degradation and bad process nodes? I have had a few products that suffer from the above while products from the competition are still running and functioning till this day.
That’s a pretty exaggerated take. Yes, Intel has had its share of rough nodes like 10nm delays, etc. and some chips that ran hotter than ideal, but “pre early degradation” wiping out products across the board just isn’t accurate. Most Intel CPUs from decades back are still running fine in labs, offices, and old rigs.

Every vendor has failures...AMD had plenty of fragile chips back in the Phenom and Bulldozer days, and Nvidia and AMD GPUs have had their fair share of early death issues too. Isolated personal anecdotes don’t equal a systemic problem.

If anything, Intel’s long term track record shows their chips generally outlive the platform support they get.

I still have a Core 2 Quad Q6600 rig I keep around for offline single player retro games on Windows XP, and it still runs like a champ. The only thing that ever gave out was the old 2600XT GPU, which I swapped for a GTX 660 I grabbed off Jawa for $25.
 
The notebooks.
Thank to notebooks manufacturers.
Even Intel wanted to get this market ... and failed.

What are you talking about? Intel still dominates laptops and always has. Intel is technically still the biggest GPU maker in the industry because of its iGPUs. Nvidia only dominates the dedicated GPU space.

Laptops are Intel's biggest savior at the same time it's their biggest problem. They sell at razor thin margins. AMD can't get a real foothold there because they want too much margin on their chips, and refuse to accept less. They already have the same issue themselves with consoles they sell to Sony and MS at razor thin margins.

Intel is in a rough spot right now because they're essentially buying their laptop and prebuilt leadership position with those razor thin margins. If they raise margins in laptops and desktops they risk OEMs opting for AMD more. If they keep prices low they risk losing even more profitability because TSMC is expensive to produce lunar lake and arrow lake on, and will charge even more on upcoming nodes. AMD still sells far less CPUs but at notably fatter margins because their chiplets design is cheap to produce.

This is why Panther Lake and Nova Lake are going to be critical for Intel. The best way to insure the massive investment into 18a and 14a pays off is to become their own biggest customer again, but if the chips aren't good enough they won't be able to raise prices to the OEMs.

If AMD ever decides they want to buy their way into laptops by sacrificing their huge margins Intel could be in even more trouble, but that doesn't really help AMD either when they're already supply constrained from TSMC.

Which brings us back around to this story. I guarantee AMD would like nothing more than to NOT be completely reliant on TSMC. While they've had a good relationship in the past TSMC is acting more and more like a monopoly by the day. AMD needs more capacity, and Intel needs 18a and 14a customers. A partnership there just makes too much sense. AMD just doesn't want to piss off TSMC in the process because AMD needs TSMC far more than TSMC needs AMD. Not to mention if panther lake and Nova lake ARE successful AMD could be stuck holding the bag with overpriced chips no one wants anymore and still being stuck under TSMC's ever increasing monopolistic prices.

If I were AMD now would be a good time to silently buddy up with Intel.
 
The notebooks.
Thank to notebooks manufacturers.
Even Intel wanted to get this market ... and failed.


You should go out off that cave and check the outside world more often.
You have missed some or more things.


I relly "like" those nVidia fans who ask for cheaper AMD cards just in hope they could buy another nVidia card cheaper.
You really think Nvidia still has "fans" in 2025? 😂 Even Nvidia's own users hate Nvidia. They just want the superior product, and there's no doubt AMD is still behind in GPUs.

Wanting AMD to force Nvidia to lower it's prices so you can buy Nvidia doesn't make someone an Nvidia fanboy, it just means you want capitalism to work and break Nvidia's monopoly. But it would be far better if AMD ever made a BETTER GPU than Nvidia so users outside of it's own fanboys would want AMD.

The problem there is you and I both know if AMD ever did make a better GPU they'd happily charge Nvidia money for it. Threadripper pricing proves that. AMD is NOT your friend.

AMD isn't chasing Nvidia and their features because they're your bestest buddy and want to sell you a cheap GPU, they're looking at the massive profits Nvidia is making and they desperately want to do the same.
 
The notebooks.
Thank to notebooks manufacturers.
Even Intel wanted to get this market ... and failed.


You should go out off that cave and check the outside world more often.
You have missed some or more things.


I relly "like" those nVidia fans who ask for cheaper AMD cards just in hope they could buy another nVidia card cheaper.
Misread much?
It's all AMD systems (2 laptops, 3 desktops) here except for one RTX 3060 12GB which was during the mining hype and options were limited.
Likely to be replaced soon with a RTX 9070 XT.

And yes, game developers are relying on framegen sadly. Check my post history and you'll see I very much consider this to be a reason not to buy a game. However, that doesn't change the fact they do and have done so before it was even an option on AMD.

If there's any market where AMD is underrepresented it's the notebook market. CPUs are less common than their Intel counterparts and GPUs are a straight up rarity. I don't want just cheaper Nvidia cards I want straight up cheaper cards from both (and intel). Prices have been far too high for far too long. I want to get back to where new cards offered better bang a buck compared to their predecessors.
I want AMD to stay relevant, Nvidia is in the most successful console (switch), has a firm grip on the laptop market which is likely to increase with their recent Intel partnership (which is also likely to encroach on the one market AMD is dominant - portable PC handhelds).

Most games are cross platform and thanks to AMD being in both consoles are unlikely to do anything that will make things worse on AMD.
However Xbox is rebranding and with the current poor sales they might forego a dedicated console. Which as I stated is really bad news should Sony opt to go with Nvidia next time around (and that Intel Nvidia partnership makes that more likely than it has been for a while).

Imo AMD needs GPU market share if they don't want to be in Intel's shoes when it comes to GPU optimization by game Devs.
 
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How many intel products have died due to pre-early degradation and bad process nodes? I have had a few products that suffer from the above while products from the competition are still running and functioning till this day.
Only two, both of which were the Raptor lake lines. That was not a bad process node, that was a failure of CPU core design. Intel claimed it was a bad node, but 12th gen chips are the same node and have no issues.

They screwed something up when they increased the cache size on Raptor Lake and I dont think they themselve sfully understand why it happened.

The last chips that had issues were Northwood with Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome, but that only occurred if you overvolted them. Stock they were fine.
I relly "like" those nVidia fans who ask for cheaper AMD cards just in hope they could buy another nVidia card cheaper.
I really like AMD doomers who cant think of any reason someone would want a lower priced AMD card then to lower the price of nVidia cards, when AMD themselves have not had a feature complete competitive lineup since........2013. And they then pretend its some mystical mindshare that keeps AMD down.
 
What are you talking about? Intel still dominates laptops and always has. Intel is technically still the biggest GPU maker in the industry because of its iGPUs. Nvidia only dominates the dedicated GPU space.
What is the ratio of Intel notebooks without dGPU?
What is the ratio of notebooks with Intel dGPU?

TL;DR ... you are writing too much saying too little.
 
I really like AMD doomers who cant think of any reason someone would want a lower priced AMD card then to lower the price of nVidia cards, when AMD themselves have not had a feature complete competitive lineup since........2013. And they then pretend its some mystical mindshare that keeps AMD down.
I do not care about mindshare
I do not care about colour of manufacturers logo

I care about bangs for money.
 
AMD started out making chips for Intel (8088 clone chips for IBM). We've come full circle.
Not exactly. AMD was a source manufacturer under agreement between Intel and IBM, not just making clone chips. IBM didn’t want to be dependent on a single chip supplier. They required Intel to have a second source for the 8088/8086, and that’s how AMD got licensed to manufacture them.

So it wasn’t AMD “cloning” Intel, it was part of IBM’s contract terms with Intel.
 
Not exactly. AMD was a source manufacturer under agreement between Intel and IBM, not just making clone chips. IBM didn’t want to be dependent on a single chip supplier. They required Intel to have a second source for the 8088/8086, and that’s how AMD got licensed to manufacture them.

So it wasn’t AMD “cloning” Intel, it was part of IBM’s contract terms with Intel.
That's what I meant, maybe clone wasn't the right word.
 
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