Intel's comeback: Raptor Lake sales look stronger than AMD's Zen 4

[Dimitriid]

How could AMD liquidate the 5000 series when 7000 is attractive?

By delaying the launch: It was well ahead of raptor lake and the general consensus on the motherboards is that they're very complex and that's (At leas an excuse to) why they're so much more expensive than any previous Ryzen launch so at the very least it was rushed by a couple months for really not much of a good reason: A late November 2022 launch for example would technically let them clear out most chips for the holidays season anyway and even a relatively small timeframe could allow to both clear out more 5000 parts.

Alternatively while for consumers it wouldn't fly too well, rebranding would be just ok for OEMs and such: release a desktop 6000 series of mostly just Zen 3 (Maybe a few Zen3+ in there for good measure) with a few new features of AM5. Consumers aren't likely to go for em but as I said you could just make em OEM exclusive and system integrators that aim in particular at corporate machines would be happy to grab em and use them.

 

[Bamda]

I just looked at the top-selling CPUs on Amazon USA as of 11/1/2022 here is the order;

#1 AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
#2 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
#3 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
#4 Intel Core i5-13600K
#5 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
#6 AMD Ryzen 5 5600
#7 Intel Core i7-13700K
#8 AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
#9 Intel Core i7-12700K
#10 AMD Ryzen 5 5500

Top selling AM5 CPUs is at #18 AMD Ryzen 9 7950X

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The top five selling Motherboards are all AMD.

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[neeyik]

What can we expect from Tim? He simply hates AMD.

Except for one FSR video, every single time he posts something, it with a negative bias towards AMD.

My comments were made with regard to the UK market only - something that was clearly indicated in my post. Tim's report contains data from two much larger markets. All three of these clearly indicate that the Ryzen 7000 series and AM5 aren't doing particularly well, in any of the markets covered, and Raptor Lake is doing pretty well in the US and Germany. Neither product lines are doing as well as Ryzen 5000, overall.

All of this was pointed out in Tim's article.

 

[Bamda]

It's simply a case of regional market differences. The UK is a far smaller market than the US, and retail sales, in general, have been on a steady decline for over 12 months in Britain too. Amazon US' top selling CPU is the Core i5-13600K -- that same processor (well, the KF model) is #35 in the UK charts.

Not sure what US you are talking about but my US shows the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X as the top CPU.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

 

[NeoMorpheus]

My comments were made with regard to the UK market only - something that was clearly indicated in my post. Tim's report contains data from two much larger markets. All three of these clearly indicate that the Ryzen 7000 series and AM5 aren't doing particularly well, in any of the markets covered, and Raptor Lake is doing pretty well in the US and Germany. Neither product lines are doing as well as Ryzen 5000, overall.

All of this was pointed out in Tim's article.

Its ok, my point still stands, its 99% of the time the same negative tone towards AMD from him.

I honestly dont even bother in watching his videos, which is a shame, because these days, almost all YouTube reviewers are on the same hate boat just because.
If the product is bad, great, do your worse, same for when the company producing those goods are bad, but not these days...

Everything is always with a negative title, always ignoring the good and focusing even on incorrect data if needed to trash them.

Just look at this result from a simple search I did the other day:

They simply have no hope.

 

[Bamda]

Nobody's commenting on the elephant in the room?

The heavily gimped Ryzen 5 5500 is outselling all Raptor Lake and Zen 4 and Alder Lake CPUs, almost everything except the 5600 and 5800X/X3D, but...?

??????

Clearly idiocy is heavily impacting CPU sales right now.

Well with regards to Amazon US the AMD Ryzen 5 5500 is the #10 best-selling CPU, and the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X is the top-selling CPU.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

 

[takaozo]

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X can drive without bottlenecking up to 6800/3080. Why shouldn't it be the best selling part right now. And it's dirt cheap at $170-180.
Also if you have some AM4 platform that can handle it even better.
If only for games it should handle next 2-3 years titles.
I use one for the last 3 months, and does the gaming job quite fine.

 

[hwertz]

I'm just happy to even have articles like this be a thing. It was not that many years ago where, it's not like AMD was going to go broke, but their market share was quite low.

 

[humbug]

This is a weird way of saying AMD are still selling more than twice as many CPU's as Intel.
I realise AM5 is not popular, the motherboard's are stupidly priced, not sure what AMD can do about that but I hope whatever it is they do it soon, its the price of those AM5 motherboards that is putting people off.
Your Amazon best sellers list changes by the hour, the 13600K is now #4, the Ryzen 5600X is now #1
Give it another hour and that will change again.
IMO they are all expensive, $330 for an i5 is not cheap, not by a very long way, the 5600 is still just as capable for most people and it costs $190 less.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Bring on the B760 boards and locked cpu's!

 

[bluetooth fairy]

From the 13600k review:

"Using the MSI CoreLiquid S360 360mm liquid cooler, the Core i5-13600K peaked at TjMAX after less than a minute of all-core load, so 100c."

Good luck with this.

 

[m3tavision]

My comments were made with regard to the UK market only - something that was clearly indicated in my post. Tim's report contains data from two much larger markets. All three of these clearly indicate that the Ryzen 7000 series and AM5 aren't doing particularly well, in any of the markets covered, and Raptor Lake is doing pretty well in the US and Germany. Neither product lines are doing as well as Ryzen 5000, overall.

All of this was pointed out in Tim's article.

Exactly... and that also implies that someone said/suggested that AMD's new AM5 socket & platform was a hurry up and buy platform. AM5 is way more premium socket, offering a more robust & potent platform vs LGA1700.

That^ is why iNTEL in 8 month's time, is coming out with a new LGA1851 socket, to compete with AM5..


old vs new
LGA17 products are on a firesale and bargains... just like AM4.

 

[dirtyferret]

Not sure what US you are talking about but my US shows the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X as the top CPU.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

I looked at the USA list this morning and it was the 13600k as the top selling CPU. My "guess" is the list is updated based on a short period of time (24-72 hours?).

 

[wiyosaya]

I checked, today, Amazon's best-selling CPUs list, and noticed the following:

The Ryzen 7950X is #18 at $699.00
The i9-13900k is #26 at $789.00

How do you explain that?

TS has got to get clicks somehow.

 

[wiyosaya]

I'm planing on doing up to four AM5 builds this year. I will opt for the socket longevity because I know an Intel build is a one and done.

The interesting thing I have noted is that X670 MBs are the only ones that are supposed to have PCI-e 5.0 on them - at least according to my info, but I have found a few B650 MBs (I think it was MSI) that have PCI-e 5.0 on them and they are very reasonably priced, IMO.

It seems that some people just don't care how much they throw away on one and done intel builds. I do. Those people probably don't care, either.

 

[kiwigraeme]

I saw a sale here in NZ other day a 5600x with Uncharted remastered for US$130
If you are playing at 1440k or 4K - great value

 

[Rdmetz]

I checked, today, Amazon's best-selling CPUs list, and noticed the following:

The Ryzen 7950X is #18 at $699.00
The i9-13900k is #26 at $789.00

How do you explain that?

It's 19 & 24 currently... Ie things change constantly.... Not hard to figure out.

 

[Rdmetz]

Its ok, my point still stands, its 99% of the time the same negative tone towards AMD from him.

I honestly dont even bother in watching his videos, which is a shame, because these days, almost all YouTube reviewers are on the same hate boat just because.
If the product is bad, great, do your worse, same for when the company producing those goods are bad, but not these days...

Everything is always with a negative title, always ignoring the good and focusing even on incorrect data if needed to trash them.

Just look at this result from a simple search I did the other day:

They simply have no hope.

Are you amd fanboys having "a moment" or something? Hard to see your precious "savior" not get the constant love and and attention they got from 2018-2021?

Get over it these reviewers go back and forth on who they dunk on just because things aren't going your way now doesn't mean they are "against you"

 

[wiyosaya]

Good to see that. Wherever I look I see AMD fanboys. Lets not forget that is It was the AMD who raised prices since ryzen 5000 gen. So now no mid range below 300$. Intel will be back in business in few years and then AMD can go back and sell cheap garbage like they have doing for a decade

Let's not forget when Intel pushed prices far beyond reason, paving the way for AMD, when Intel Fanbois lapped those outrageously priced CPUs up like manna from Heaven.

And lets not forget the AMD dropped CPU prices on their high end 7000s even though they easily could have kept them the same or even taken the play from Intel's playbook and raised them.

 

[wiyosaya]

Good to see that. Wherever I look I see AMD fanboys. Lets not forget that is It was the AMD who raised prices since ryzen 5000 gen. So now no mid range below 300$. Intel will be back in business in few years and then AMD can go back and sell cheap garbage like they have doing for a decade

The only problem is that Intel's CEO said a few years back that they were not going to compete in the CPU market. When your CEO doesn't even support the product, I would not expect that the company would do very well going forward.

 

[Rdmetz]

I mean who would wanna upgrade when the price of a decent AM5 Motherboard is $800. Like MSI X670E Ace or Asus Hero. That is way too expensive.

I upgraded my platform completely from 10900k z490 unify 32bg ddr4 gskill rgb 3200 to 13700k z690 strix-e 32gb ddr5 gskill rgb 6000 for...

$300 strix mobo
$200 ddr5 rgb ram
$150 13790k ($200 gift card free with cell phone + 10% off)

So around $650 in upgrade costs meanwhile I sold my old setup a few months back for...

(pulled direct from invoice from when I sold it)

CPU: Intel Core i9 10900K unlocked 10-Core Processor ($389.98)

Motherboard: MSI MEG Z490 UNIFY ATX Motherboard ($289.99)

Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4 3200MHZ (4 x 8 GB) RAM ($184.99)

So I MADE $865 selling my platform a few months early used a much weaker secondary in between and now after the upgrade I've modernized my platform completely whole KEEPING about $215 in my pocket.


That doesn't even include selling my 3080ti for $1650 back in May and upgrading to a 4090 FE for $1545 (again used 10% off BB credit card offer)

I've got almost the best platform you could ask for for gaming and haven't spent a penny in getting it... In fact I've made some money through the process of selling early and planning ahead.

 

[Rdmetz]

What can we expect from Tim? He simply hates AMD.

Except for one FSR video, every single time he posts something, it with a negative bias towards AMD.

About pricing, again, they released their CPUs at the same prices or cheaper than the previous:

• Ryzen 9 7950X: $700 Ryzen 9 5950X: $800
• Ryzen 9 7900X: $550 Ryzen 9 5900X: $550
• Ryzen 7 7700X: $400 Ryzen 7 5800X: $450
• Ryzen 5 7600X: $300 Ryzen 5 5600X: $300
  
  
  I dont know who to blame for the motherboards prices, but if AMD has something to do there, then great, lets blame them, if not, that BS needs to stop.

Hearing you say this s**t just blows my mind as I have personally seen all his reporting to be pro amd for years! Constantly hating on rt features pushing their benchmarks out of standard reviews focusing ONLY on raster and 1440p and from cpu side they've been pro amd and their "efficiency" over Intel brute force power... You clearly are salty that amd has actually fallen a bit and isn't the bell of the ball they used to be to all the reviewers... They just being honest now as they can't use those things to try and boast amd up as much when all amd has been doing lately is just copying everyone else and going balls to the wall with the power trying to claim the crown.

 

[NeoMorpheus]

Hearing you say this s**t just blows my mind as I have personally seen all his reporting to be pro amd for years! Constantly hating on rt features pushing their benchmarks out of standard reviews focusing ONLY on raster and 1440p and from cpu side they've been pro amd and their "efficiency" over Intel brute force power... You clearly are salty that amd has actually fallen a bit and isn't the bell of the ball they used to be to all the reviewers... They just being honest now as they can't use those things to try and boast amd up as much when all amd has been doing lately is just copying everyone else and going balls to the wall with the power trying to claim the crown.

You are assuming too much and missed even more.

Breathe, it does good for the body and soul.

 

[rmcrys]

I don't give a cr.p what charts say as I buy the right part for me and my budget.

Present Intel mean a good investment if you already have the board and RAM and energy is very cheap on your country;

On the other hand, if you like innovative companies that try to disrupt bullies that manipulate marketing and which chips are used by big players (ex. Dell, before Apple, etc), that have good specs for the price and ... you have an old platform and you want to start something new: ryzen 7000; if you happend to have AM4 but the oldest chip then the 5800X3D is a great buy.

But I also agree that AMD is playing badly and dangerously, as someone said, because they are letting a door open for Intel as they don't present mid range Zen 4. They also should present Zen 4 + RDNA3 for possible players as Steam Deck 2 + updated Xbox/ps5

 

[Mr Majestyk]

Interesting to look at the Amazon UK best sellers for CPUs and motherboards:

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AMD's Ryzen 5000 series is clearly still selling very well; 7000 series far less so. But Intel's 13th gen Core line up doesn't even crack the top 30.

Yeah but the poms are broke, the sterling is in the toilet and they can't even afford gas let alone new PC gear. LOL