It will be no decapitation this time, Alder Lake will barely beat Zen3 (maybe not even across the board) and Zen3+(3D) will come after a couple of months only (Q4 2021) and if not outright retake the lead, it will at least equalize the situation.
In 2022 Zen4 then will "decapitate" Alder Lake and only from 2023 onward intel fanbois can expect a better Intel presence or an actual win, although AMD will not stop either.
Decapitate??? Don't you just LOVE the terms that clueless fanboys use? I've never seen a head on a CPU before. I wonder if he took this literally:
Personal narratives (aka: fanfic) are fun!
Well, in all fairness, Shad's the one who started with the delusional fanboy language. Kosmoz just showed him how absurd the use of the word "decapitate" was when referring to CPUs.
Although, it it's true, I could be coaxed into giving Intel a little, but very loud, cheer.
"Intel, Intel, what's your plan? If you can't do it no one can!"
I can understand this but I want the two companies to become much more similar in size before I'll cheer for Chipzilla to do anything but fail. They've already started their BS by having Dell try to sell their CPUs for them. I saw a Dell commercial that said "Remember to ask for an Intel CPU in your new Dell computer!" and it made me sick.
It will be good to see Intel bounce back to being the process leader. TSMC has too much on their hands ATM. We need the competition. I had been routing for AMD pre Ryzen days and switched from an i7 6700 to an 8 core Ryzen just because it was a good competitor. I've being staying with AM4 ever since.
Now with Alder Lake up to 16 cores it looks Intel is finally waking back up. Am hoping it will be good enough to compel me to switch back to Intel
You didn't wait long enough because the size disparity between Intel and AMD means that Intel can still pull the same crap that they did before and cripple AMD again. The amount of money that they made off of what they did easily dwarfed what they were fined and had to pay AMD. Cheer for Intel at your own risk and chagrin because they still want to eliminate AMD and have already proven the lengths to which they'll go to do that. I personally hate that company and always will because they're never going to change. In their darkest years, AMD's CPUs still worked fine for 99% of people so I really don't care where Intel is on the list, I'll stick with AMD.
9% drop in data center revenue... That's so bad. Honestly watch this space AMD is going to be the data centers number one choice over the next few years due to cost per core.
Yep and it gets worse for Intel in that space because AMD EPYC CPUs based on the new Genoa architecture are going to have up to 128 CORES EACH! Intel was getting absolutely crushed when the top EPYCs were only half of that:
It depends in Zen3+ comes to all the range. It may only come to 5900/5950. But I would still wait for Zen4, I'm in no rush to update my Zen1 1700X and would rather wait for AM5 MB's for more future proofing.
I couldn't agree more. I have an X570 motherboard and that's the last AM4 mobo that I'll ever buy.
In my opinion, it is not just a fab disadvantage that Intel is facing, but also from their exising CPU architecture as well. Evident when you compare an 8 core Rocket Lake vs 8 core Zen 3 CPU. While Rocket Lake would have been more potent with a comparable 10nm, but early 10nm don't clock well (consider the low clockspeed on Ice Lake U), and Intel obviously are not as competitive in multicore performance. It is not until Tiger Lake that managed to close that gap, but with a higher power requirement to push clockspeed.
As bad as that is, it's mostly semantics because AMD's attention is on the server space and EPYC is now steamrolling Xeon worse than Xeon EVER steamrolled Opteron. Imagine what a motherboard with twin 128-core, 256-thread Genoa-based EPYC CPUs would do to the best that Intel can muster.
To do that, we have to consider just how badly EPYC's performance:watt ratio and overall performance are just blowing Xeon clear out of the water
right now. That's with CPUs that top out with "only" 64-cores and 128 threads each (
I have to say "only" for a 64-core, 128-thread CPU and that's awsome )! The 128-core, 256-thread EPYC server CPU will absolutely mind-blowing when it comes to not only throughput capability but also power savings by virtue of having more cores in one chip. The server space is the most critical space where AMD needs to gain
at least parity with Intel.
The way things are going, AMD is going to surpass Intel by a country mile.