Latest Zhaoxin x86 CPUs tested: This is what China closing the gap looks like

mbrowne5061

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The innovation and R&D happens all over the world, including China. It's most certainly not limited to US.
Just because Intel has labs everywhere doesn't mean all their R&D happens in all those labs. One will specialize in CPUs, another in networking, another in PCIe, etc. What is researched where will heavily depend on ITAR and EAR regulations - not every technology is export compliant (regardless of to or from whichever country)
 

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It's only a matter of time before they catch up. I think a lot of people failed to remember that VIA Technologies has had an x86 licence for at least 20 years. Since they couldn't afford to use it, the money offered from China had to be too good to pass up.
"Interestingly enough, the KX-U6780A suffers from some of the Spectre vulnerabilities that affect Intel processors"

That's not interesting, that just spells it out for ya: they copy everything, like they always do.
It doesn't spell out anything because the Chinese didn't copy anything. They're using VIA Technologies' x86 licence which means that their CPUs are based on VIA's tech, not Intel's. It's possible that the Spectre exploit affects VIA's CPUs as well but since they're generally used in embedded systems (like ATMs), it has never been that big of an issue.
How can Zhaoxin be a global player while their products are based on AMD's architecture?
What are you talking about? Their products are based on VIA's architecture. Now, if you're referring to AMD64, ALL 64-bit x86 CPUs are based on AMD's architecture of AMD64, including Intel. So how does Intel do it?
 
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It doesn't spell out anything because the Chinese didn't copy anything. They're using VIA Technologies' x86 licence which means that their CPUs are based on VIA's tech, not Intel's.
I don't think you get it. Just because they're using VIA'a x86 license to produce x86 based CPU's doesn't mean they haven't copied someone else's tech. When VIA was producing x86 CPU's was any of their arch design from AMD and Intel probably some was and some was their own design so who's to say china is sticking to a strictly VIA design considering they tend not to give two F's about patents or trademarks they're most likely to using whatever design they can implement the quickest now whether that's a complete rip off of AMD or Intel or a mix of both who knows.
 

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I don't think you get it. Just because they're using VIA'a x86 license to produce x86 based CPU's doesn't mean they haven't copied someone else's tech. When VIA was producing x86 CPU's was any of their arch design from AMD and Intel probably some was and some was their own design so who's to say china is sticking to a strictly VIA design considering they tend not to give two F's about patents or trademarks they're most likely to using whatever design they can implement the quickest now whether that's a complete rip off of AMD or Intel or a mix of both who knows.
I agree 100%, who knows? That's why I don't just throw unfounded accusations out there. I don't blame you for it though because if the corporate media in my country were trying to manufacture consent for a war with China to keep the military industrial complex funded at the cost of people's lives (as usual), I might have been programmed the same way. I'm not just going to assume the worst when I have no real reason to.
 

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I agree 100%, who knows? That's why I don't just throw unfounded accusations out there. I don't blame you for it though because if the corporate media in my country were trying to manufacture consent for a war with China to keep the military industrial complex funded at the cost of people's lives (as usual), I might have been programmed the same way. I'm not just going to assume the worst when I have no real reason to.
Really "you have no reason to" so all the documented facts and evidence of China pirating anything they can get away with is just a bunch of BS designed to warmonger gee the rock you live under must be really deep under the sand
 

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Really "you have no reason to" so all the documented facts and evidence of China pirating anything they can get away with is just a bunch of BS designed to warmonger gee the rock you live under must be really deep under the sand
Sure, there's evidence that China has copied things, I would never say otherwise. However, just as in the criminal justice system, everything must be considered in a case-by-case basis. Now, in this instance, the evidence is, in fact, to the contrary as VIA is being paid for the use of their x86 licence which is well within their rights. I have no problem with anyone using a pre-existing design so long as the owner of the design has agreed and is being properly compensated for it.

Remember that the only reason that AMD got an x86 licence was because IBM demanded that Intel give them one and Intel complied. These days, Intel and VIA are both "copying" AMD because all 64-bit x86 CPUs are based on the AMD64 architecture. Nobody ever had a problem with that so why should anyone have a problem with VIA working with China? It's not like China is going to make a quantum leap in tech because they've already demonstrated their capability of making extremely powerful supercomputers using ARM CPUs of their own design anyway.

I think that this is actually a good thing for consumers because I can guarantee you that VIA will benefit tremendously from what China is paying them. We might finally have a third option in the CPU market again and if we're lucky, VIA might even resurrect S3 graphics which will give us a fourth choice in that respect.