Leak reportedly details AMD's upcoming Vega GPUs

Vega isn't going to compete with the 1080... according to their trailer they're going to compete with VOLTA. AMD is skipping Pascal entirely and launching their next gen Architecture before Nvidia. Since Nvidia would look like *****s if they dropped Volta anytime soon (and piss off their customers,) if they outdate their 6 month old GPUs already. It's a good marketing move by AMD to put Nvidia in a bad spot. They CAN'T release competition, just lower prices. Once Volta hits Vega 20 will be around the corner. Should be interesting.
Let me guess, it will be twice as powerful as the 1080 and as power efficient as a 1050.... Got any evidence to back this up?
 
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So you have interpreted a "poor voltage" sign that is shown for about half a second to mean that Vega intends to compete with Nvidia's as-yet-unreleased architecture?!?

I know AMD tends to make outrageous claims, but I don't think even they would claim to be doing that... Show us some real evidence please
 
So you have interpreted a "poor voltage" sign that is shown for about half a second to mean that Vega intends to compete with Nvidia's as-yet-unreleased architecture?!?

I know AMD tends to make outrageous claims, but I don't think even they would claim to be doing that... Show us some real evidence please
It says poor Volta with "ge" cut off. This is clearly deliberate. We'll know more tomorrow, but it makes sense. Vega and volta were always supposed to go head to head. Pascal wasn't even originally on the drawing board, but the gap between Maxwell and volta was too long. Shrink Maxwell increase frequency and poof pascal was born.
 
It says poor Volta with "ge" cut off. This is clearly deliberate. We'll know more tomorrow, but it makes sense. Vega and volta were always supposed to go head to head. Pascal wasn't even originally on the drawing board, but the gap between Maxwell and volta was too long. Shrink Maxwell increase frequency and poof pascal was born.
I agree it was deliberate.... but unless you can prove otherwise, I'd assume it was just an easy dig at Nvidia, as the similarity of "Volta" and "Voltage" was too easy to resist....

Not only does the trailer contain ZERO hard information (it's a trailer, and not supposed to!), it would be pretty foolish to draw ANY conclusions from it...

If we look at history, and see how AMD has competed with Nvidia at the high end (or, more accurately, NOT competed with Nvidia at the high end), I fail to see how you think AMD will magically not only compete with Nvidia's high-end GPUs, but actually be competing with Nvidia's unreleased high-end GPUs slated to be released in the future...

If you've made this far-fetched assumption solely based on the split-second sign of "Poor Volta", then I can simply assume you're not very bright... but if you have any other information that backs this up, PLEASE let us know!
 
It says poor Volta with "ge" cut off. This is clearly deliberate. We'll know more tomorrow, but it makes sense. Vega and volta were always supposed to go head to head. Pascal wasn't even originally on the drawing board, but the gap between Maxwell and volta was too long. Shrink Maxwell increase frequency and poof pascal was born.

That's a nice pickup, I didn't notice that in the video earlier. I have to stay on the side of caution though. It's something in a promotional video, it might come true or it could just be playful banter on AMD's part.
 
I agree it was deliberate.... but unless you can prove otherwise, I'd assume it was just an easy dig at Nvidia, as the similarity of "Volta" and "Voltage" was too easy to resist....

Not only does the trailer contain ZERO hard information (it's a trailer, and not supposed to!), it would be pretty foolish to draw ANY conclusions from it...

If we look at history, and see how AMD has competed with Nvidia at the high end (or, more accurately, NOT competed with Nvidia at the high end), I fail to see how you think AMD will magically not only compete with Nvidia's high-end GPUs, but actually be competing with Nvidia's unreleased high-end GPUs slated to be released in the future...

If you've made this far-fetched assumption solely based on the split-second sign of "Poor Volta", then I can simply assume you're not very bright... but if you have any other information that backs this up, PLEASE let us know!
Considering ATi/AMD have typically been ahead of Nvidia since 2000's I don't see it as far fetched as one might think. If their Volta competitor was completed earlier than expected, why not take advantage of the current situation? Vega has was never supposed to just be a BIG Polaris GPU. It is a newer architecture with a refresh already planned in Vega 20 (essentially 2x as fast as Vega 10.) Your hard proof will be here tomorrow one way or the other.
 
Considering ATi/AMD have typically been ahead of Nvidia since 2000's I don't see it as far fetched as one might think. If their Volta competitor was completed earlier than expected, why not take advantage of the current situation? Vega has was never supposed to just be a BIG Polaris GPU. It is a newer architecture with a refresh already planned in Vega 20 (essentially 2x as fast as Vega 10.) Your hard proof will be here tomorrow one way or the other.
um... what? Can you tell me what AMD had that competed with the past few Nvidia high-end GPUs? Nvidia has been the clear winner at the high-end of the GPU market for the past several years... You aren't Hardreset in disguise are you?

The reason anyone is excited with Vega is because they are hoping that AMD might finally be able to compete with Nvidia.... to say that AMD has been "typically ahead of Nvidia" is just plain foolish...
 
um... what? Can you tell me what AMD had that competed with the past few Nvidia high-end GPUs? Nvidia has been the clear winner at the high-end of the GPU market for the past several years... You aren't Hardreset in disguise are you?

The reason anyone is excited with Vega is because they are hoping that AMD might finally be able to compete with Nvidia.... to say that AMD has been "typically ahead of Nvidia" is just plain foolish...
1080 gen skipped by AMD
980ti Nvidia win
290x win over TITAN black
7970 win over 680
6970 tie 580
5870 win over 480
Need I go on?
 
1080 gen skipped by AMD
980ti Nvidia win
290x win over TITAN black
7970 win over 680
6970 tie 580
5870 win over 480
Need I go on?

Wow... you MUST be Hardreset....
First of all 1080 gen was NOT skipped by AMD - they just didn't have anything to compete with... you can't call that a tie - it's an Nvidia win.... we're hoping that Vega is the competitor of course, but we'll find out for sure soon...

980ti was a win...

The 290x was NOT a win.... it came out 6 months after the 780 (and Titan - it never competed with the Titan Black which came out months AFTER it did) and the 780ti was released a month later which beat it...

Before this, the 780 was king of the high end for months....

The last time AMD was the "winner" was the 7970 - which was 4.5 years ago.... and that didn't last long.... So where is AMD's "typical lead over Nvidia"?

Nvidia has been wiping the floor with AMD for years in the GPU category (as Intel as been doing on the CPU side) and it's only been in the past year that we have seen some signs of life for them. Zen and Vega MIGHT save them.... we'll see in the months to come...
 
Wow... you MUST be Hardreset....
First of all 1080 gen was NOT skipped by AMD - they just didn't have anything to compete with... you can't call that a tie - it's an Nvidia win.... we're hoping that Vega is the competitor of course, but we'll find out for sure soon...

980ti was a win...

The 290x was NOT a win.... it came out 6 months after the 780 (and Titan - it never competed with the Titan Black which came out months AFTER it did) and the 780ti was released a month later which beat it...

Before this, the 780 was king of the high end for months....

The last time AMD was the "winner" was the 7970 - which was 4.5 years ago.... and that didn't last long.... So where is AMD's "typical lead over Nvidia"?

Nvidia has been wiping the floor with AMD for years in the GPU category (as Intel as been doing on the CPU side) and it's only been in the past year that we have seen some signs of life for them. Zen and Vega MIGHT save them.... we'll see in the months to come...

Yeah, I pretty much agree. The 7970 was AMD's last really great chip. The R9 290x was good, but it couldn't really beat what Nvidia had to offer.

There's a video on the subject here explaining how AMD blew its technological lead


Ther earlier AMD chips (5000 series) were seriously better than their Nvidia counterparts at the time yet they still lost simply because AMD's marketing of the cards was so bad.
 
Wow... you MUST be Hardreset....
First of all 1080 gen was NOT skipped by AMD - they just didn't have anything to compete with... you can't call that a tie - it's an Nvidia win.... we're hoping that Vega is the competitor of course, but we'll find out for sure soon...

980ti was a win...

The 290x was NOT a win.... it came out 6 months after the 780 (and Titan - it never competed with the Titan Black which came out months AFTER it did) and the 780ti was released a month later which beat it...

Before this, the 780 was king of the high end for months....

The last time AMD was the "winner" was the 7970 - which was 4.5 years ago.... and that didn't last long.... So where is AMD's "typical lead over Nvidia"?

Nvidia has been wiping the floor with AMD for years in the GPU category (as Intel as been doing on the CPU side) and it's only been in the past year that we have seen some signs of life for them. Zen and Vega MIGHT save them.... we'll see in the months to come...
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2724-gtx-780-ti-benchmark-in-2016 Is pretty much all I need to say on the 780Ti/Titan Black (basically the same card.) 390X (the same card as the 290X,) destroys the 780Ti, and is till viable today where the 780Ti loses to the RX 470 in all benchmarks, the 1050Ti most of the time, and even loses to the RX 460 in DOOM (Vulkan.) Kepler has proven to be a horrible investment.

Now I do agree AMD has really S**T the bed today with their Vega announcement. We'll have to see what happens from here.
 
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2724-gtx-780-ti-benchmark-in-2016 Is pretty much all I need to say on the 780Ti/Titan Black (basically the same card.) 390X (the same card as the 290X,) destroys the 780Ti, and is till viable today where the 780Ti loses to the RX 470 in all benchmarks, the 1050Ti most of the time, and even loses to the RX 460 in DOOM (Vulkan.) Kepler has proven to be a horrible investment.

Now I do agree AMD has really S**T the bed today with their Vega announcement. We'll have to see what happens from here.
Did you actually read the article you posted a link for?
That was a REVISIT of the 780ti to see if it was still viable TODAY!! The tests used games that didn't even exist when the card was released...

The 780ti was king of the hill when it was released - destroying the 290x - not the same as a 390x by the way - remember, clock speed and fine tuning DOES make a difference despite the card being a rebranded 290x...

Stop trolling and provide some real evidence of your claims.
 
Did you actually read the article you posted a link for?
That was a REVISIT of the 780ti to see if it was still viable TODAY!! The tests used games that didn't even exist when the card was released...

The 780ti was king of the hill when it was released - destroying the 290x - not the same as a 390x by the way - remember, clock speed and fine tuning DOES make a difference despite the card being a rebranded 290x...

Stop trolling and provide some real evidence of your claims.
You're trying to tell me a just over 3 yr old $649+ GPU losing to a $100-$140 GPU today was a good value when the $500-$550 is competing with today's $200-$250 GPUs? Launch day benchmarks aren't representative of the GPUs complete performance. Both companies drivers are immature at launch. Over time drivers mature, and more performance is gained. AMD had VERY immature drivers, but clearly the 290/290X are vastly superior to the 780's at the end of the day.
 
Top of the line cards are never good value - Nvidia or AMD.... You buy them because you want top-of-the-line performance NOW.... So whether it loses out to another cheaper card in 3 years is irrelevant. Most people who bought the 780ti brand new have probably already moved on to the 1070 or 1080... They certainly aren't using a 460 now.... What would the point of that be?!?? Saying that, the 780ti still games at 1080p quite satisfactorily - which is all one should expect from an old card...

The fact remains that WHEN IT WAS RELEASED, the 780ti was the clear king of GPU performance, and AMD did not "win" here.... Once again, AMD hasn't beaten Nvidia in the high-end segment since the 7970 - almost 5 years ago....
 
That's a major part of my point. People HAD to move on past the 780 series as performance dropped off a cliff. Many people that spring $500+ for a GPU expect it to last at least 3 years. 290/290X users can either CHOOSE to keep using their GPUs or put it in a secondary PC and still play today's games well. This has been the case for about a year 1/2 now. Hence why I give them the win.
 
That's a major part of my point. People HAD to move on past the 780 series as performance dropped off a cliff. Many people that spring $500+ for a GPU expect it to last at least 3 years. 290/290X users can either CHOOSE to keep using their GPUs or put it in a secondary PC and still play today's games well. This has been the case for about a year 1/2 now. Hence why I give them the win.
Your point?!!? Your point has shifted considerably.... let me quote your first "point"... "ATi/AMD have typically been ahead of Nvidia"

Now your point is, "well, while Nvidia's cards might be superior, they aren't very good 3 years later"...

The 780Ti is still a good card by the way - you can game at 1080p on pretty much any game, even new ones... and when it came out, 1080p was what it was for... If a card is better than it's competitor WHEN IT COMES OUT, it wins.... very few people buy a card based on how it will perform in 3 years - far more cost effective to simply buy a mid-level card and replace it in 2-3 years...

You don't see AMD's marketing machine start hyping up the 290x now, do you? That would be crazy... even if they had any in stock, they wouldn't make any money selling them now...

Oh... and now that it looks like we won't even see any Vega cards for 3-5 months, what happens when Nvidia releases a 1080Ti that beats it? If Vega outperforms the 1080 but loses to the Ti, you'll call this an AMD win?
 
Your point?!!? Your point has shifted considerably.... let me quote your first "point"... "ATi/AMD have typically been ahead of Nvidia"

Now your point is, "well, while Nvidia's cards might be superior, they aren't very good 3 years later"...

The 780Ti is still a good card by the way - you can game at 1080p on pretty much any game, even new ones... and when it came out, 1080p was what it was for... If a card is better than it's competitor WHEN IT COMES OUT, it wins.... very few people buy a card based on how it will perform in 3 years - far more cost effective to simply buy a mid-level card and replace it in 2-3 years...

You don't see AMD's marketing machine start hyping up the 290x now, do you? That would be crazy... even if they had any in stock, they wouldn't make any money selling them now...

Oh... and now that it looks like we won't even see any Vega cards for 3-5 months, what happens when Nvidia releases a 1080Ti that beats it? If Vega outperforms the 1080 but loses to the Ti, you'll call this an AMD win?

If VEGA doesn't beat the 1080 Ti in raw performance then they would have to win in either price/performance or performance per watt. Although enthusiasts don't care about either and will really just pick whichever card is faster. In my opinion VEGA has to at least match the 1080 Ti in DX 12 / Vulkan. If it can't even do that then it would be very disappointing.
 
I'll just be happy if I can get decent 4K gaming out of the new AMD cards with a single card solution. I have two 280X's in my current box and they struggle with 4K. So yeah... I want lots of memory and enough processor speed and memory speed to do the job even if it is not particularly inexpensive.
 
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