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Let's Test This: Ryzen 9 3900X on a B350 Motherboard

By Julio Franco · 30 replies
Jul 11, 2019
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  1. ZackL04

    ZackL04 TS Guru Posts: 528   +256

    Looks like she works just fine and within margin of error.

    Question is, do you go $80 1600 or $200 3600....
     
  2. grvalderrama

    grvalderrama TS Addict Posts: 210   +19

    What should I take into account if I want to upgrade my Ryzen 1600 for a 3600? I have 2400 Mhz DDR4 memories, will it work fine or will the cpu's performance demise because of the RAM speed? Appreciate all advice
     
  3. Shadowboxer

    Shadowboxer TS Addict Posts: 231   +99

    Oh definitely the $200 3600. The single core performance improvements are massively worth it. I wasn’t sold on Ryzen 1xxx & 2xxx but the 3xxx stuff is a big improvement.
     
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  4. Neartheninja

    Neartheninja TS Rookie

    You will be fine with 2400 MHz as long as it’s DDR4 as you say. The performance difference on the R5 isn’t all that much different and will still perform pretty well if my test on the R7 3800x are any indication. At least if you are trying to save money.
     
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  5. SkOrPn

    SkOrPn TS Rookie

    Yes it will work with your 2400 Mhz ram. However, Ryzen has always worked better with faster RAM, including your Ryzen 5 1600 which ran best with 2933 ram. The Ryzen 3600 will probably work great with 3200 Mhz ram, and run best at 3600 (AMD's recommendation), and the absolute max sweet spot according to AMD is 3733. But yes your 2400 ram will work just fine so long you can handle the knowledge of knowing the chip is not running at its best possible speeds. Remember the Infinity Fabric, a.k.a the communication layer on the CPU package is tied to the RAM speed, so 2400 will be running the Infinity Fabric at its slowest possible speed. This is obviously not ideal, but again it will work just fine.
     
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  6. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 3,994   +3,481

    or $130 2600. The price has dropped quite a bit on that as well.
     
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  7. pcnthuziast

    pcnthuziast TS Evangelist Posts: 586   +193

    Not doing benches like this with slower ram is a waste as people using such a board would probably also be running slower ram ie 2400/2666.
     
  8. ZackL04

    ZackL04 TS Guru Posts: 528   +256

    B
    But for over 2x the price?
     
  9. Colonel Blimp

    Colonel Blimp TS Enthusiast Posts: 50   +26

    I have a 1600, 3200 corsair ram with an Msi B350 gaming pro carbon and am seriously tempted to pop a 3600 in to last me the next 3 years or so.
    I could stretch to a 3700 but really, I game a bit, mainly fps, and mess around with Reason 10 so think it would be a waste.
    You think?
     
  10. ZackL04

    ZackL04 TS Guru Posts: 528   +256

    I gues
    I would if your runing a GTX 1080 or higher, otherwise no
     
  11. CodeCreator

    CodeCreator TS Rookie

    Yeah, no. I'm pretty sure most have higher speed than 2666 MHz with B350s, also you can easily overclock a 2666 kit to 3000, 3200 if you got a good one.
     
  12. pcnthuziast

    pcnthuziast TS Evangelist Posts: 586   +193

    >assumptions
     
  13. Lew Zealand

    Lew Zealand TS Guru Posts: 671   +563

    Maybe not even with a GTX 1080 at typical gaming settings (1440p, high quality):

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/17

    This is only with the 8C parts and not the 6C 3600 but the flatness of the GTX 1080's performance in a 1440p graph in a game known to favor high single core performance suggests that the 3600 will be able to keep the framerates within 5% of max even on a GTX 1080. The other games evaluated there with similar 1440p high settings are equally flat with the GTX 1080. Though obviously I'd want to see the 3600 paired with a 1080 just to be sure. Mostly because I have a 1080.

    Now if you want high refresh rate 1080p at low to med quality, the Intel chips will deliver a little more of that type of gameplay but a select few people play this way.
     
  14. Lew Zealand

    Lew Zealand TS Guru Posts: 671   +563

    I started with 8GB 2800 with my bottom-of-the-barrel MSI Pro VD+ and R3 1200 and upgraded to 16GB 3200 a few months ago when it became so cheap. And this will probably get an r5 3600 in the coming weeks.

    Let's look at this another way: If you actually planned this by getting first gen Ryzen, and now are replacing it with a Zen 2, you know enough to grab some cheap DDR 3200 to complete the upgrade if you haven't done so already.
     
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  15. CodeCreator

    CodeCreator TS Rookie

    And what you said aren't? Lol
     
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  16. Lounds

    Lounds TS Addict Posts: 196   +117

    I want gaming benchmarks for 1600 Vs 3600, now we know there's not much performance difference running the 3600 on an older B350 motherboard.
     
  17. Indekkusu

    Indekkusu TS Rookie Posts: 16   +8

    If you do not have a top end video card like a RTX2060 super or better there is no need for more than a R5 1600. OC to 4.0 Ghz and your games will be just fine.
     
  18. koblongata

    koblongata TS Addict Posts: 202   +59

    Intel: take my beer
    crowd: why???
    Intel: taking notes
     
  19. pcnthuziast

    pcnthuziast TS Evangelist Posts: 586   +193

    Fair enough. Truth is, I'm the owner of a blue chip atm and when I bought it I only got 2666 thinking it didn't matter much and bc the price was good in comparison to other kits at my local mc store. It's a 32gb kit I got a little over 2 years ago and the 3200 kit was 40-50 more iirc. Anyway I'd love a cpu upgrade, but was hoping to keep my ram. If I got a Ryzen it would be my first red chip and it looks like the ram upgrade would be essential.
     
  20. PetrolHead

    PetrolHead TS Booster Posts: 58   +28

    There's a good chance memory speeds would be better with newer BIOS versions. The AGESA version is only 1.0.0.1 in the current BIOS version, so it's already a few revisions behind the newest possible AGESA version. I have this same exact motherboard (BIOS version 3.30) and I'm running my memory at 3333MHz CL16 (I have 2 x 8 GB of G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16) while my R5 1500X is overclocked to 3800MHz, so unless I've lucked out with the components I've chosen, I'd say the signal quality is not the issue when talking about RAM speeds of about 3200MHz. Hopefully ASRock will not let BIOS 5.9 be the last version this board receives.

    You're not wrong, but depending on the GPU and the use case (games, settings, desired FPS figures), there may be some benefit in choosing the R5 3600. The R5 3600 should give some increase in FPS over the R5 1600 with a GTX 1070 or better. The RTX 2060 is faster than a GTX 1070 Ti, so an R5 1600 would hold even a "mere" RTX 2060 back a bit. While in most cases the differences might not be meaningful, for some people they might be.
     
  21. Mdbad

    Mdbad TS Rookie

    I have that same model of mobo mentioned in this article and I got my RAM to a stable overclock of 3333MHZ. And the kit I purchased was only meant for a 3000MHZ overclock.
     
  22. Lilricky

    Lilricky TS Rookie

    The reason for the memory being flaky is that ASRock screwed up the memory voltages and timings that are applied when the motherboard's bios has the memory settings set to auto(the default). Go into the bios and start looking at the settings and you can correct them. That should give you the stability you need.
     
  23. ZackL04

    ZackL04 TS Guru Posts: 528   +256

    I only hit 3.85 on my original 1600
     
  24. Stark

    Stark TS Addict Posts: 119   +98

    All DDR4 memory is the same, and if you have heat sinks on your module, they can be easily overclocked with that option being one click in many motherboard BIOS. Also such overclock upto 2933 is safe and pretty easy. so dont sweat, update BIOS first on your 1600 then slot in 3600, boot all good? go to bios hit that XMP profile and gold!
     

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