AdoreTV did a video on the fact that the high end doesn't sell enough for it to be worth it, they make good profit but overall it's the big cheese that everyone can afford where the real money is at. So the £200-250 (works the same in dollars as the UK gets screwed over).
May's Steam hardware survey shows slow but steady growth for RTX cards, GTX 1060 remains...
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ShObiT
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Like I said before, BullShit, Ignorant comments, not by me, said by people that live out of tech.
Footlong
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I meant that many miners are selling their inventory. Rx 580 and 570 are cheap used. I'd expect to see those cards in top10, at least.
Evernessince
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Oh really? Because the original comment I replied to was this...
"the whole argument was about people having pre builts and 400w"
I don't know what you assumed we were talking about but I'm only here to discuss this and you should expect me to continue to bring it up.
Any modern power supply under 500w is only going to have one connector. Anything above will have two connectors, as simple as that. If a 500w PSU or more doesn't, it's not a true 500w PSU.
https://www.newegg.com/evga-550-n1-100-n1-0550-l1-550w/p/N82E16817438105?Description=evga psu&cm_re=evga_psu-_-17-438-105-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-s12iii-bronze-series-ssr-500gb3-500w/p/N82E16817151226?Description=500w seasonic&cm_re=500w_seasonic-_-17-151-226-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-vs550-cp-9020171-na-550w/p/N82E16817139229?Description=550w corsair&cm_re=550w_corsair-_-17-139-229-_-Product
These power supplies can be had on sale for $30 and $15 after rebate. I build cheap systems with these power supplies all the time, the EVGA PSU in particular seems to go on sale a lot. Not the 50 euro you state. For 50 euro I can get a high end seasonic focus 650w.
Oh and the Seasonic S12II does have two 8 pin connectors (or 6+2, same thing really)
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16817151094
Well first, what does gtx 1060s being in laptops have to do with anything here? Nothing, stay on topic. Ditto goes for people prefer Nvidia, which is supposition on your part.
As Steve and I have demonstrated, no the PSU really isn't a factor in any of the cases presented. The guy who's researching PCIe Power connector requirements doesn't want to upgrade his PSU? Unlikely given the dumpster fire most OEM PSUs are. If he's put that kind of error in then most likely someone has told him of the trails of an OEM PSU.
grumblguts
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grumblguts
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Jay2cents is an *****.
the most important show so far this year and he gives people ZERO content.
He has his 2 million subs his now one lazy azz who just makes click bate vids.
the most important show so far this year and he gives people ZERO content.
He has his 2 million subs his now one lazy azz who just makes click bate vids.
grumblguts
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Bait
144hzGamer
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Yeah thats in americas, now try on Europe where a good 650w psu costs at least 70€ and is bronze rated. We cant get good psu for 30€ here.
Also you again being ignorant. The fact gtx 1060 is on laptops means that more ppl use them, because on steam stats it accounts with every version of the gpus, as it is the same, just different clocks. If there was a gtx 1060M for example, it would be considered a diffetent gpu and gtx1060 wouldnt be as popular.
Anyway this is all AMD fault for not being competitive for years, they still getting obliterated by nvidia on most markets. AMD could dedicate to console GPUs only and stop wasting money on the desktop gpu department.
LogiGaming
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You should read properly to avoid being silly on this website all the time. This is what I said:
Notice the "or". Wich means I never talked about pre builts only. And if you can get good PSU for 30 or 15 bucks where you live, power to you! Try again on Europe where a simple Corsair CX450 costs 50€ and is usually the pick on low budget systems, as the 550 and 650 versions go immediatly for 70€-80€. Seasonic Focus? I sish, the cheapest one here for 550w is 90€.
Evernessince
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Well first, no one said anything about a 650w PSU. You don't need that much power to run an RX 580.
Second, it took me all of three seconds on the Amazon UK store to find a decent power supply for much cheaper the 70 euro that would support an RX 580
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-VS...+power+supply&qid=1559856725&s=gateway&sr=8-3
There were other cheaper models like the EVGA W series but the VS550 has good reviews and is what I'd consider a baseline.
Off Topic.
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Question, how many people actually have a PSU with below 500w capacity? I'm willing to bet the vast majority are pre-built systems or SFF (which is an entirely different conversation as size constraints come into play). So in essence "pre builts or people with low budget 400w" are mostly the same thing. Unless you can prove to me there is this treasure trove of custom built desktop towers with 400w power supplies in them that people are using, your argument is essentially "This very minute part of the market should influence everyone's buying decision!".
The first half of my comment already proves you can very well get a 550W for much cheaper then you are stating here in the UK. Not that a single country's pricing would disprove my point as ultimately that is a small portion of the market. Mind you, electronics in general are more expensive in the UK and EU so by comparison to the increased cost of the overall build, the underpinning point I was making, in that the cost of a decent power supply is not much, still completely stands as the prices of the other components are also equally more expensive.
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144hzGamer
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Well first, no one said anything about a 650w PSU. You don't need that much power to run an RX 580.
Second, it took me all of three seconds on the Amazon UK store to find a decent power supply for much cheaper the 70 euro that would support an RX 580
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-VS...+power+supply&qid=1559856725&s=gateway&sr=8-3
There were other cheaper models like the EVGA W series but the VS550 has good reviews and is what I'd consider a baseline.
Off Topic.
Off Topic
Question, how many people actually have a PSU with below 500w capacity? I'm willing to bet the vast majority are pre-built systems or SFF (which is an entirely different conversation as size constraints come into play). So in essence "pre builts or people with low budget 400w" are mostly the same thing. Unless you can prove to me there is this treasure trove of custom built desktop towers with 400w power supplies in them that people are using, your argument is essentially "This very minute part of the market should influence everyone's buying decision!".
The first half of my comment already proves you can very well get a 550W for much cheaper then you are stating here in the UK. Not that a single country's pricing would disprove my point as ultimately that is a small portion of the market. Mind you, electronics in general are more expensive in the UK and EU so by comparison to the increased cost of the overall build, the underpinning point I was making, in that the cost of a decent power supply is not much, still completely stands as the prices of the other components are also equally more expensive.
Yeah sure now add the transport taxes if you are not from UK and compare the price with a vs450. You think no one builds pc on a budget? What about the people that already have a 400w/450w psu, will they bother to buy a new psu + rx580 or just a gtx 1060? Whats your explanation for gtx 1060 lead the charts on steam then and not rx580? Everyone is dumb and shoyld be buying amd right? Sure.
LogiGaming
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Well first, no one said anything about a 650w PSU. You don't need that much power to run an RX 580.
Second, it took me all of three seconds on the Amazon UK store to find a decent power supply for much cheaper the 70 euro that would support an RX 580
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-VS...+power+supply&qid=1559856725&s=gateway&sr=8-3
There were other cheaper models like the EVGA W series but the VS550 has good reviews and is what I'd consider a baseline.
Off Topic.
Off Topic
Question, how many people actually have a PSU with below 500w capacity? I'm willing to bet the vast majority are pre-built systems or SFF (which is an entirely different conversation as size constraints come into play). So in essence "pre builts or people with low budget 400w" are mostly the same thing. Unless you can prove to me there is this treasure trove of custom built desktop towers with 400w power supplies in them that people are using, your argument is essentially "This very minute part of the market should influence everyone's buying decision!".
The first half of my comment already proves you can very well get a 550W for much cheaper then you are stating here in the UK. Not that a single country's pricing would disprove my point as ultimately that is a small portion of the market. Mind you, electronics in general are more expensive in the UK and EU so by comparison to the increased cost of the overall build, the underpinning point I was making, in that the cost of a decent power supply is not much, still completely stands as the prices of the other components are also equally more expensive.
I am also curious to know your opinion on why GTX 1060 leads steamstats GPU info.
Evernessince
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off topic
off topic
Electronics in general are more expensive in the UK and EU so by comparison to the increased cost of the overall build, the underpinning point I was making, in that the cost of a decent power supply is not much, still completely stands as the prices of the other components are also equally more expensive.
Like I illustrated with the venn diagram, the number of non-prebuilt, non-SFF systems that have a low wattage PSU represents an infinitesimal part of the market that you seem to try and paint as the whole picture. How many builds do you see with a power supply of that low wattage? Very few, which means that I have evidence of absence on my side. Unless you can prove otherwise, the lack of systems in that configuration is more then enough evidence to disprove your point, which in itself was presented with zero evidence.
I also clearly gave multiple examples of extremely cost effective PSUs that can support an RX 580, of which you grossly misstated started at 90 euro. It is not surprising to me that you are now trying to move the bar again because of "transport taxes if you are not from the UK". None the less, my previous comment of price scaling aptly rebuffs this already.
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ghostf1re
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It's simple, RTX cards are way overpriced for what they offer and they are barely faster than the GTX series that came before them. That's why adoption is not that great. Nvidia needs to become more competitive with pricing if they want more adoption of newer cards. The entire RTX series isn't really worth the money if you own a card from the previous generation. I have a 1080ti and there is not one RTX card that I "need" to replace it with. Every game I play gets well over 100fps on max settings, so there's no reason for me to spend another $700 for fancy ray tracing that's hardly supported and 10 more fps in games.
LogiGaming
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ahah nice dodge buddy! I knew you didn´t have a better explanation, better run and call it "off topic". Sure.
Squid Surprise
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Lol - loving the argument... keep it up... but I believe calling his “off topic” a dodge, but not addressing any of his valid points in return is just as big a dodge!Off topic
Don’t give up - this is entertaining
LogiGaming
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Lol - loving the argument... keep it up... but I believe calling his “off topic” a dodge, but not addressing any of his valid points in return is just as big a dodge!
Don’t give up - this is entertaining
What valid points? Do you want me to comment on something he was debating with another user? He only quoted me one time, the rest of the quotes are with another user. I asked him what are the reasons then for gtx 1060 being top of the chart. He ignored with "off topic":
Who is dodging?
Squid Surprise
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um... I'm not the moderator... I'm simply enjoying the flame war... carry on, don't let me stop youWhat valid points? Do you want me to comment on something he was debating with another user? He only quoted me one time, the rest of the quotes are with another user. I asked him what are the reasons then for gtx 1060 being top of the chart. He ignored with "off topic":
Who is dodging?
LogiGaming
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um... I'm not the moderator... I'm simply enjoying the flame war... carry on, don't let me stop you
No flames here! I just put a comment on an article about GTX 1060 being dominant on Steam. I tried to explain why that happens with my opinion. He was against all our opinions, but he failed to proved his opinion to why GTX 1060 is leading the charts. The comment he made about that was "off-topic" so what can we do
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