Meta CTO says employees should use AI productivity gains to do more work, calls request for extra days off "very dumb"

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Facepalm: Should workers be allowed more time off because of AI increasing their productivity? It's a contentious issue, but we shouldn't be surprised to learn Meta CTO Andrew Bosworth's view. He thinks employees should use their freed-up time to do even more work. He also got quite salty when an employee asked about bringing back Meta's canceled holiday program, calling the question "very dumb."

Bosworth gave his Victorian workhouse-style opinion on what employees should do with their free time from AI-related productivity gains at a July Q&A, reports Business Insider.

One employee asked if skyrocketing productivity meant Meta could revive Meta Days, a canceled holiday program that allowed workers a few extra days off.

Bosworth's reply was the kind one would expect from a tech executive. "Stop asking about Meta Days. It's very dumb," he said, appearing to show some restraint by not having the person flogged and fired on the spot for their impudence.

Bosworth then gave his suggestion for what Meta's workers should be doing with their free time, other than worrying they'll join the thousands of others the company has laid off recently.

"I hope that what we do with our extra time is do even more and cooler stuff for the users who use our products every day," the exec said, according to three people on the call.

Bosworth then seemed to adopt a lead-by-example stance. "I get an extra hour. You know what I do with it? I put it into that."

Seemingly frothing at the mouth at this point, Bosworth doubled down and asked employees what their parents would think of them for daring to ask for more time off from a company that, at one point, was spying on its employees to train the AI that could replace them.

"Go to your parents and ask them: Hey, like every time I get a chance to talk to my boss, ask me if I can have more days off. Ask your parents what they think of that as a career strategy," he asked, possibly expecting everyone to hang their heads in shame.

This is likely the point that Bosworth realized the optics of asking if workers' parents would be ashamed of them for requesting more time off, even if AI has enabled it. He apologized for coming down "too hard" on the employee, before adding that he felt the question was "tongue-in-cheek," which sounds like the real-world equivalent of adding "jk" at the end of an insulting online message.

Meta, of course, has cut 10,000 to 11,000 jobs across the last 12 months, while its AI-driven capital spending over the previous four quarters has reached $92.43 billion, all of which suggest that employees having more time off is pretty low on its priority list.

As with curing cancer, we're still waiting for AI to increase productivity to the point where we all work four-hour days. OpenAI boss Sam Altman recently said this will never happen because we all love working so much.

Speaking on the Joe Rogan Experience last year, Senator Bernie Sanders said that the extra time that workers save through the use of AI tools should be given back to them – not filled with extra tasks. It seems Bosworth does not share the same view.

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They should chain their employees to their cubicles and make them work for food.
Bonus: they'll no longer need to get paid because they don't have to buy anything or even pay rent and such.
Clothing isn't necessary either. PROFIT TO TEH MAXXX!

Meta should hire me for my manager skills.
[actually a repeat joke though I don't recall if I used it here]
 
I always appreciated more days off. If I got them with pay I doubt I would have worked. Give them the days off but don't pay them. I think far more people are just plain lazy and feel entitled then ever.
 
The mere fact this question was asked shows how cluelessly entitled the average employee has become. Your employer invests in a new tool to make you more productive, and you want to say, "thanks, now I'll just take time off"? Outrageous.

It's like a construction worker claiming he should be able to shut down his backhoe and go home after ten minutes work, because he'd already done a full day's work with a hand-held shovel.
 
They should chain their employees to their cubicles and make them work for food.
Bonus: they'll no longer need to get paid because they don't have to buy anything or even pay rent and such.
Clothing isn't necessary either. PROFIT TO TEH MAXXX!
From where do these drama-queen hysterics come? Asking employees to do the full 40-hour week they signed up for is hardly the same as chaining slave workers into cubicles.

Meta needs shutting down and soon.
Why not get your torch and pitchfork and storm their corporate headquarters?
 
The Promise:
"AI will create a utopia where humans don't have to work and can work on creative or scientific endeavors!"
The Reality:
" AI tools should make you work harder not less!"
 
I just did a little Googling. It seems Andrew Bosworth takes his vacations in two month allotments, usually after a product ships he says. Last I checked 8 weeks is 4 weeks over Meta's rule that vacations can't be longer than 4 weeks?
 
This is why you want a job based on your output rather than your time.

It doesn’t matter how long it took or how hard you worked to produce the good they agreed to buy at X price.

Trading time for money is much harder to become more profitable personally.
 
Parents would be delighted to spend more time with their kids. But I'm on my 4th week of holidays this summer, planning a few more before the end of the year, to be actually productive and have a happy family, so yeah...
 
The mere fact this question was asked shows how cluelessly entitled the average employee has become. Your employer invests in a new tool to make you more productive, and you want to say, "thanks, now I'll just take time off"? Outrageous.

It's like a construction worker claiming he should be able to shut down his backhoe and go home after ten minutes work, because he'd already done a full day's work with a hand-held shovel.
If I'm producing more, then I either want more money or more time off. Otherwise I'm just giving my productivity away. If you hired me to do X and now I'm doing X+5, then either pay me for the +5 or let me stop when I've accomplished X.
 
If I'm producing more, then I either want more money or more time off. Otherwise I'm just giving my productivity away. If you hired me to do X and now I'm doing X+5, then either pay me for the +5 or let me stop when I've accomplished X.
Astonishingly poor logic. First, none of these workers were hired on piece-work basis: their contracts require a specific quantity of time spent working, not an amount of work accomplished. Secondly, the extra productivity isn't due to their own efforts, but by their employer investing billions of dollars in a system to empower them.

By your reasoning, if employees suddenly were able only to perform half as much work because the company's computer systems were having problems, the employer would have a right to cut their pay in half.
 
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Spoken like a true sociopath. Society needs to step up and not allow these people to get into leading positions. That's the primary reasonf or virtually every current evil of the world, ie. that societes and companies are lead by socipaths.
 
The mere fact this question was asked shows how cluelessly entitled the average employee has become.
The only thing this proves is how skewed your worldview is. The meaning of life is not increasing shareholder value, while using employees as slaves.

Your employer invests in a new tool to make you more productive, and you want to say, "thanks, now I'll just take time off"? Outrageous.
Except, that tool was created by taking (stealing) the work of all employees (or any human for that matter) in the first place without compensating them for that.

It's like a construction worker claiming he should be able to shut down his backhoe and go home after ten minutes work, because he'd already done a full day's work with a hand-held shovel.
That's how a normal society would work: everyone should "profit" (ie. get a better life, with less "have to do"s and more "can do"s) from technological gains, especially, if it has been built on their previous work, which they were not paid for.
 
The only thing this proves is how skewed your worldview is. The meaning of life is not increasing shareholder value, while using employees as slaves.
Learn what words mean. The difference between voluntary employment -- especially high-paid sedentary employment for a company like Meta -- and slavery couldn't be more stark.

As for the juvenile absurdity of conflating the role of a corporation with the meaning of life: CEOs are by law tasked with protecting and increasing shareholder value. The next time you hire a plumber to fix your leaky toilet, try telling him "there's more to life than money" when he demands to be paid.

Except, that tool was created by taking (stealing) the work of all employees
Near-identical rhetoric was used by the National Socialists -- who claimed hard-working Germans were the "slaves" of the rich Jew and big business -- to seize power in 1930s Germany. Lenin's Red Army and Mao's "People's Liberation Army" mouthed the same platitudes as well, and were ultimately responsible for more civilian deaths and human misery than any other event in history.
 
I mean, it's just American culture why would anyone be shocked?
Aren't you already landing a pretty decent job if you get -any- paid time off?
https://cepr.net/publications/no-vacation-nation-comparing-the-us-to-other-wealthy-nations/ said:
The United States is the only rich, democratic country in the world that does not guarantee workers the right to paid vacation. As a result, 23 percent of the US civilian workforce — or about 33 million workers — lack any paid vacation, and the amount that employers provide voluntarily — an average of 10 days per year — falls well below even the legal minimum required in almost all comparable world economies.
PS: The US is also fairly unique in sick leave and pregnancy leave not being legally mandated to be paid and typically being extremely short / excluding the non-birthing parent entirely.
 
I mean, it's just American culture why would anyone be shocked?
Aren't you already landing a pretty decent job if you get -any- paid time off?
Who told you something so silly? 79% of US workers get paid vacations, and nearly half of those who do not are self-employed. We simply prefer freedom to authoritarian diktats: if you value a paid vacation, you choose an employer who offers it.

Also:

- US salaries are significantly higher than European salaries, often by 30% to 60% depending on the industry.
- US VAT: 0%. EU VAT average: 22%.
- Share of households with air conditioning. US: 91%. Europe: 20%
- Average home size. US: 2450 sq. ft. Europe: 1100 sq. ft (820 sq. ft in the UK!)

In the US, my average wait time to see a medical specialist is less than a week. In the EU, its several months, with a substantial percentage of people in the UK waiting well over one year.
 
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