onebignerd
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Microsoft has made sure they can not to be trusted, but you trust them to make a better Windows 12. How do you define trust?
Microsoft admits Windows 11 lost its way, Nadella pledges to "win back fans"
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Microsoft has made sure they can not to be trusted, but you trust them to make a better Windows 12. How do you define trust?
I don't trust them to make a better anything. That was pretty clear with "we'll see".
I also mentioned the only reason I am still on Windows is 3rd-party software. Certainly not Microsoft or Windows itself.
After spending life on Windows, and finally dual booting Linux 18 months ago, I realized fear was the only thing keeping me on windows.
I deleted Windows after 1 month. Been a very happy computer user since. Now I'm on CachyOS, and can't imagine going back. It's frustration everytime I am forced to use Windows at work.
I deleted Windows after 1 month. Been a very happy computer user since. Now I'm on CachyOS, and can't imagine going back. It's frustration everytime I am forced to use Windows at work.
MiqWalsh
Posts: 72 +82
^^^ Lololol!!!
Welcome to "the dark side", my son. Once you get a taste of freedom, it's kinda hard to give it up....ain't it?
Enjoy!!
Miq.
foxrox
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Too little, too late. I've already moved to Linux. The only way of getting Windoze to become my primary OS again would be to make it resemble something closer to the Windows 7 experience. No ads, no upsells, no UWP trash apps, no forced TPM and Secure Boot (or workarounds to bypass them), no CoPilot, no telemetry, no Micro$lop Accounts at log-in. I don't want or need them to create their version of an "experience" for me. I want a minimalist OS that launches native, locally installed win32 and x64 software packages. Anything that remotely resembles their current dumpster fire is a no-go.
foxrox
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I think the better question is, "What is right or good about Windows 11?" LOL.
Micro$lop fanboys excluded, the list of good things would certainly be shorter than the list of reasons so many people hate it.
The problems have been: Starting to replace functionality, reinventing the wheel but then not finishing the replacement so it creates more mess & frustration; breaking something for every 2 things they fix; greatly reduced inhouse testing & reliance on foolish beta users foolish enough to work for Microsoft for free; planning, documentation & information sharing was trashed but now Microsoft engineers don't know how most of Microsoft software/systems works; ignorance of "first do no harm"; no long term commitment to longevity.
Where do you people even see ads? I've never seen one
ragreeen2646
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Here is what is see:
After the continuous growth of PCs stopped MS had to find a way to grow. The answer was new versions which may have given you some new functionality, but usually meant buying a new PC.
Look at software, everything is now a subscription because PC growth is can't sustain companies that sell lifetime licenses.
I was working for DEC when Vista came out. The folks in engineering told me that initially MS gave then a set of requirements which required better graphics than what Intel imbedded graphics could provide. The started designing accordingly. Supposedly Intel raised such a fuss that MS lowered the requirements.
What annoys me the most about Windows versions after XP is I can't customize the look and feel of Windows.
After the continuous growth of PCs stopped MS had to find a way to grow. The answer was new versions which may have given you some new functionality, but usually meant buying a new PC.
Look at software, everything is now a subscription because PC growth is can't sustain companies that sell lifetime licenses.
I was working for DEC when Vista came out. The folks in engineering told me that initially MS gave then a set of requirements which required better graphics than what Intel imbedded graphics could provide. The started designing accordingly. Supposedly Intel raised such a fuss that MS lowered the requirements.
What annoys me the most about Windows versions after XP is I can't customize the look and feel of Windows.
LordVile95
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It’s fairly stable and gets out of the way most of the time? It’s the second best OS for productivity after MacOS
Win7user
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Lost their way? Is, this another way of saying, we don't care about the very customers that made us who we are today?
Stable and gets out of the way are some very subjective claims.
M$ only has productivity because of Windows only software, and the Office suite which you can't even own anymore.
ragreeen2646
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You can get a lifetime license for office 2021 and 2024 from Techspot store.
LordVile95
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The office suite I bought a perpetual licence for for £23?
They’re not really subjective, the OS runs fine and rarely has hiccups. It’s been the most trouble free OS since 7. People just like to complain about included features they don’t have to use. macOS is a better OS for productivity but windows isn’t a slouch.
This has been possible since day one on any Windows install.
How many complaining about Windows here, actually tweak and optimize their Windows installation? You know custom install is a thing right? I enable only the things I need, low background services, no Copilot crap. Rock solid, maximum performance. My primary PC at home is made for gaming, would be pointless to run Linux on this machine.
How many Linux users, actually knows how to properly use Linux, knows the filesystem, able to build a system ground up instead of installing a beginner distro? Can do actual troubleshooting when the time comes? No OS runs forever. Updates are needed. New drivers are needed. This is especially important if goal is max performance.
I am tired of seeing people claiming Linux is good for gaming, because they installed a beginner gaming distro. Just because a game starts, does not mean it actually run well.
Even Valve says Linux has a looong way to go before it can match Windows overall in performance and games catalog. Linux suffers from massive fragmentation and the fact that pretty much all PC games are aimed and optimized for Windows, which 99% that buys new games use. Which is why the actual game requirements says Windows. If you are serious about gaming on Linux, then Arch is the way. Valve switched to Arch as well with Steam OS v3.
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Companies pivot like this when something is wrong; users are leaving so let's use older versions of the OS to inflate our user count.
Creating web based electron apps has made it too easy for people to use our services on other platforms; switch back to native code in an attempt to force some of them back into our ecosystem.
Quick, say something that can't be defined at all in an effort to convince people that we'll eventually offer something they won't want to live without; "Windows value will extend to deliver unmetered intelligence at the edge."
What a bunch of CEO nonsense. There's no transparency here, no compassion, it's still just greed disguised as goodwill.
Creating web based electron apps has made it too easy for people to use our services on other platforms; switch back to native code in an attempt to force some of them back into our ecosystem.
Quick, say something that can't be defined at all in an effort to convince people that we'll eventually offer something they won't want to live without; "Windows value will extend to deliver unmetered intelligence at the edge."
What a bunch of CEO nonsense. There's no transparency here, no compassion, it's still just greed disguised as goodwill.
Yet another W11 success story:
Windows 11 KB5083769 Update Blocking Macrium Reflect and Backup Apps
Driver Blocked in Win 11
Windows 11 KB5083769 Update Blocking Macrium Reflect and Backup Apps
Driver Blocked in Win 11
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Possible, but increasingly difficult to do in Windows.
The complaints are valid when it takes a significant amount of customization and tweaks to get Windows to do what you want and get out of the way, as any OS should do. And only the diehard Windows fans and power users ever go to the lengths it requires to get Windows 11 running well enough to even begin comparing overall performance to Linux.
And I don't think it matters whether or not a Linux distro is a gaming oriented version, Linux
operates more smoothly, especially on lower end and older hardware than Windows 11 ever would, and Linux updates in the background without forcing you to restart the PC.
Valve has been putting in a massive effort to achieve games running a lot more effortlessly on Linux than it has in the past, although those attached to Windows for the Office suite, and Windows only games where the publisher refuses to support Linux, I doubt anything would convince those users to get away from Windows.
captaincranky
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Or, as I would put it, "another acrid blast of smoke up all our a**es, from everyone's 'favorite CEO', Satya Nadella".
amghwk
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Thanks to the blunder of Windows 8 onwards, I made the bold move to learn Linux and now I feel confident with any Linux distro, and already ditched Windows for more than a decade now. But since I still have Windows licenses from the laptops, just keeping a copy on its own minimized partition, which I only access twice or thrice a year.
PierreJG
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The problem with Microsoft is that they want you to use Windows the way they want you to use Windows. Compare previous windows compare to Windows 11. Old windows it was quick to do stuff. Just a simple example. Right-click on desktop, then show more options. It is simple but annoying as just display the whole bar or add a toggle to enable or disable the show more as low resolution aka 1366x768 or lower, may make it too big to always display.
Stop forcing us to use your crap settings panel, as it does not work. There are even rumors that MS wants to remove the control panel. If that does happen, I will not even use it on my second pc and will permanently switch over to Linux as it is my main driver cept some things I need Windows. It is simple things that killed windows for me. Even windows 10 is better than 11 but the one to rule them all is windows 7. Difference between Linux and Windows, Linux I don't feel it when my system uses a lot of memory. Windows I do and I can run Linux even on my old 2c/4t 4gb laptop.
Stop forcing us to use your crap settings panel, as it does not work. There are even rumors that MS wants to remove the control panel. If that does happen, I will not even use it on my second pc and will permanently switch over to Linux as it is my main driver cept some things I need Windows. It is simple things that killed windows for me. Even windows 10 is better than 11 but the one to rule them all is windows 7. Difference between Linux and Windows, Linux I don't feel it when my system uses a lot of memory. Windows I do and I can run Linux even on my old 2c/4t 4gb laptop.
Difficult? Literally takes seconds with a GPO.
And in Windows 11 now, it can be done in the Windows Update settings.
Linux makes no sense for people building high-end gaming PCs.
Even Valve said Linux have a long way before being able to match Windows and that anti cheat is a huge obstacle, that will take years and years to overcome, if it ever happens.
Proton layer typically eats 5-25% performance. While some games tend to run fine in Linux, others run vastly worse and many won't even start. Hence why games have Windows listed in the requirements.
FYI there is a difference between casual and serious gaming. Some of us, builds high-end gaming machines for 1000s of dollars that are meant to deliver gaming performance you could only dream of. We don't settle and we don't want to gimp performance by running Linux. Or limit our game catalog.
I use an overclocked 9800X3D and 4090 and uses a tweaked and optimized custom Windows 11 install. Linux is not going to make anything better for me. I am pumping out 500 fps with 250 fps minimum 1% lows on a 500 Hz OLED panel.
You playing an indie game in Linux with a goal of 60 fps don't really compare. Some people won't settle with lower performance, lacking games or crashing due to emulation.
While Valve wants Linux to get better, like 95% of their users are on Windows. PC games are made and optimized for Windows. Drivers from Nvidia, AMD and Intel, 99% of the focus is on Windows.
I would love Linux to actually be competitive on gaming - but it is not. I run Linux on 4 out of 5 PCs. My primary gaming machine is the only one NOT running Linux but I have tried several distro's and it is not even close to matching Windows 11 overall. That is reality for you.
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There are 5 personal computers in my home. 2 have moved to Linux since December and a 3rd will soon be following.
The remaining 2 must run windows for work software compatibility; for the time being at least. If things keeps moving to online/cloud, then my native OS shouldn’t matter much. I can only hope
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The remaining 2 must run windows for work software compatibility; for the time being at least. If things keeps moving to online/cloud, then my native OS shouldn’t matter much. I can only hope
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