Lost? That would suggest they actually tried to complete. They pretty much release products and then do little to nothing to support them. Take the Zune for example, they release it in the US only for 3 years before releasing it to other markets.example1013 said:
This guy is one to talk, since he's so far lost to Apple in the MP3 player market and the smartphone market, doesn't have **** in the tablet market, and managed to somehow still possibly get beaten in the netbook market despite the fact that Apple didn't even put out a netbook (because the netbook market seems to have largely crashed in favor of iPad and other tablets, although this is conjecture and I can't actually back this up with facts).
Meanwhile Google has made a largely successful competitor smartphone OS, but it's taken them a couple of years to finally knock off iOS, and has only very recently come out with a competitor tablet OS, and will likely take a while to really steal market share from Apple there, too, since Apple got such a head start.
All the more reason for Ballmer to stop talking smack.Tekkaraiden said:
Lost? That would suggest they actually tried to complete. They pretty much release products and then do little to nothing to support them. Take the Zune for example, they release it in the US only for 3 years before releasing it to other markets.
Apple is not a hardware company. Apple is simply a designer.Vrmithrax said:
Ok, wait... Google took their successful mobile OS and revamped it for the larger tablet form factor, and products using it are just recently rolling out. Apple took their successful mobile OS and tweaked it up for the larger form factor of the iPad. Yet, Google is failing, and Apple is succeeding? Granted, Apple did it first, and it's been a race to compete since then. But, the big part of Apple's success is that they are a hardware company AND software company - they have complete control of their products. Google doesn't have that luxury.
How can Ballmer claim Google is failing, when Microsoft is pretty much following the exact same path that they did? Tweaking and developing their OS into something that is more tablet friendly and can compete more directly with iOS, while 3rd party companies build the hardware that will run this new OS. Seriously, how does he justify taking pot shots at Google, when Microsoft is obviously so very VERY late in the consumer tablet game? They have been in serious catch-up mode in smartphones, and now in tablets - not thinking casting stones is a great idea there, Stevie...
Have to beg to differ on that one. Apple considers themselves a hardware company, they have since the early computer days (where they got their start, as a hardware company). You cannot buy Apple hardware that is not a direct result of Apple design, development, and approved manufacturing. You can't buy Apple hardware directly from the manufacturer that Apple has approved to build that hardware. Just because Apple outsources the actual production of the equipment, that does not preclude them from being considered a hardware company - they are just not a hardware MANUFACTURING company. Subtle difference.Apple is not a hardware company. Apple is simply a designer.
I'm sorry, did you even bother to read my posts? Yes, you are right, Apple is a hardware design company (which I acknowledged). But they also control every aspect of the manufacturing and distribution of any product with an Apple brand on it. AND they handle hardware support directly. That makes them a bit more than just a "designer" in many ways, don't you think? If you had actually stopped to consider the context of the entire conversation, you'd see that my assertion is that Apple is far more of a hardware company than either Microsoft and Google in the relevant markets where they were being compared. Which, again, makes Ballmer's comments that much more ludicrous: he's claiming Google has a failed approach, and Apple is a winner, yet Microsoft is actually much closer to paralleling Google's path.You are right, they are not a hardware manufacturing company... they are a hardware designing company... again, subtle difference.