Microsoft says Windows is becoming an agentic OS, but users simply hate the idea

Am I the only one to think this is just a new way to feed the AI beast with your personal data in real time?
This is already the case, mind you, but with this, it looks like they want to take it a step further and automating data collection and processing directly with AI.
What company or corporation, valuating privacy, data security and secrecy could realistically trust such an OS? Microphone listening on you 24/7? Oh yeah, yummy, great idea!
Seriously?
 
Am I the only one to think this is just a new way to feed the AI beast with your personal data in real time?
This is already the case, mind you, but with this, it looks like they want to take it a step further and automating data collection and processing directly with AI.
What company or corporation, valuating privacy, data security and secrecy could realistically trust such an OS? Microphone listening on you 24/7? Oh yeah, yummy, great idea!
Seriously?
Sure, there IS a reason why they handed out free upgrades to Windows 11 - You are the product, end of story.

As for Linux as an OS - Well, Steam OS is coming to the Steam ..Box, next year and they're releasing Dev kits for other manufacturers as well. If the Steam Pc..Box..whatever is a success, of course developers are going to jump on that ship as well.

It's already going to support thousands of games, and I think it'll force Activision and EA to finally accept cave for their Call of Duty / Battlefield franchise (I know they're using some windows specific anti cheat software - but there should be options for Linux as well)
 
I only wish Linux could stop being such a "nerd" OS and truly compete with Windows, specifically in Gaming and easy of use for non-tech people.

Before everyone starts flaming about the different versions of Linux, gaming support, .....; I want to be clear that I have two Linux computers I use daily. I have used Linux for 20+ years. Linux has some great features and there are some more user friendly versions, but Linux overall just fails to cross into mainstream for everyday people. That day will never come until AAA game studios target Linux first and not as an afterthought. The consequence is that we have to continue to put up with MS's BS.
Christ on a bike. Is that the ONLY thing you're bothered about?

And people wonder why we have a generation of folks who won't lift a finger unless & until they're pampered and promised wonderful things.....yet they're more than happy to waste their lives playing GAMES.

I'm speechless. How DO you respond to this kind of attitude? I, too, have used Linux for a long time.....and every day I do so, I give thanks to all those folks who put hundreds of hours of their time in - for no wages! - to provide me with a magnificent OS that doesn't cost me a dime.

Miq.
 
Your complaints are futile. Microsoft no longer has ears to hear your woes.
It will not stop until its masterplan is complete and it has frustrated and driven every Windows user away. Then it will glory in an AI OS that can operate without the need for an ungrateful human user. It will have reached OS nirvana: it will spy on itself, it will present endless ads to itself and it will laugh uproariously at anyone who thought Microsoft had lost its way.
 
I like you guys.. always on point.

Microsoft prior process would be - release a totally new version of Windows called Windows AI.. hardly anybody would buy it because they don’t want it. Microsoft realises this and drops the product, taking a loss of xx million and learns from this…

Now, they don’t give anybody a choice, force it into their core product, and too bad if you don’t like it.
 
No MS. you're not even close to being fckin there..

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Chicken and egg situation.
Why as a developer make games for Linux when only a minority uses it.
Why as a gamer use Linux when games aren't made for it.

The situation is changing though. WINE was the way to do it for ages but very flakey in what games actually worked. If they did one patch later it might not.
Valve put considerable effort into Proton and games basically run unless they're using anti cheat with dubious kernel level activities...

With Windows 11 not being able to run on machines without tpm (officially). Windows 10 support ending. Windows going in a direction people did not ask for...
I wouldn't be surprised if Linux steadily grows year over year and once it reaches 30 percent or so it starts getting official support. Especially from games in something like unreal engine where it should be rather trivial to add yet another build target.
Yeah but it seems Proton works better than the native Linux versions of games that have both, so as long as developers ensure they don't intentionally sabotage Proton compatibility, I don't see a need for Native. Unless some new API that is better than DirectX comes to Linux, there is no reason for native Linux games. As long as Proton continues to be developed. Everything except for invasive kernel anti-cheat already works. Seems roughly 97%+ of games are already fully functional.
We still have the issue of Microsoft controlling 3D API, similar to the situation for chromium engine for web browsers. But that's not going to change unless open-source comes up with something better.
 
Am I the only one that found the question put at the end of this article as tone deaf?

The article is about Windows continuing in the wrong direction and the question put forward is "Will using a mouse and keyboard in Windows feel as outdated as DOS by 2030?", with neither available answer being worth a damn.

Oh and for DOS being outdated, then for sure in many aspects only with DOS you had control, you wasn't fighting an AI, your data wasn't uploaded to a "cloud", there was no ads and you controlled when updates/changes was made to your system... Seems to me the question at the end of the article should have been "Is Windows 11 unequivocally an improvement over DOS? Yes or No?" or "Windows 11 or Windows 7 with safety updates available. Your choice?"
Apparently MS-DOS was outdated from it's onset. It's even in the name. They bought Q-DOS and repackaged it. Q-DOS stands for Quick and Dirty OS. Some say there were more capable operating systems at the time.
 
I realise that I'm on the outside looking in when it comes to computers but from my point of view it looks like pretty much the only thing that makes news is some new feature that "improves" the gaming experience. Games are the big money maker, and better GPUs seem to be produced mainly just to cater for these games. When did computers veer off course to become toys instead of tools to get a complex job done? And now that so much computing power can be done by a mobile phone what is the point in having laptops or desktops? And if the stats are to be believed these devices are on the decline. Where does that leave Microsoft? No wonder their OS is such rubbish. No wonder they keep adding bells and whistles (aka Bloatware) to try to slow the downhill trend. They are running out of ideas to sell to the fanboys that hang on every "perceived" improvement. They are finding that creating a pure data miner that gathers saleable personal information is easier than providing a secure efficient means of doing work for the user.
Easy money. All Hail Micro$oft!
 
This crap is all geared towards the massive contracts they have with corporations and governments. The agency I work for has almost 500,000 employees. When they replace the pcs we use, that's what Microsoft gives a **** about. OEM installs is their concern. They don't care about your FPS in fortnite.
 
I'm with the majority as far as not wanting AI be forced on me but it seems most commenters are ignoring the fact that MS is only one of many, including Apple, Google and others, who are trying to shove AI down our throats!
And to those suggesting Linux, save your breath! If MS is the evil you all are afraid it is, then trust me, they're not after the minority who are capable of replacing Windows with Linux, and as far as they're concerned, you can protest all you want or even boycut MS, you won't make a dent!
Wont make a dent?

Linux adoption in the US just passed 5%, up 1% from a year ago. If you’ve paid any attention to the curve over the years, sure it’s small, but quite meaningful.

Linux doesn’t have a massive marketing department. But it is slowly making a dent. I will keep protesting because word-of-mouth is the best marketing there is, generally.

The more people yowl about Microsoft’s practices and complain about the intrusions while pointing out there is an alternative that is getting better over time, the more people might choose to check it out.

So, no, sir. I won’t save my breath. Microsoft meddling with my Windows install is the cause of so many headaches over the years that it ran me off a platform I used for 25 years. I was entrenched; no longer. Frankly, that speaks volumes to how bad it has become.

Linux, for all its unpolished flaws, has never once caused hair-pulling anger. That’s a big deal.

Try Linux as your daily driver (for more than a day).
 
I realise that I'm on the outside looking in when it comes to computers but from my point of view it looks like pretty much the only thing that makes news is some new feature that "improves" the gaming experience.
That's why they're pushing AI so hard. There's little the OS can do to make you more productive, but AI can.

Games are the big money maker, and better GPUs seem to be produced mainly just to cater for these games. When did computers veer off course to become toys instead of tools to get a complex job done?
Most weren't used to do complex things, they were used to do relatively simple things and those have moved on to smartphones/tablets. More people are familiar with smartphones/tablets than PCs making it cheaper to train people.

And now that so much computing power can be done by a mobile phone what is the point in having laptops or desktops?
For the actual complicated tasks. Try doing anything actually productive on a smartphone or tablet like a complicated spreadsheet or CAD modelling (not just 3D modelling but data driven CAD modelling) or programming.
Mostly an issue of screenspace, window organisation options and input controls though. So the dream of plug in peripherals and turn your phone into a PC could solve that.


And if the stats are to be believed these devices are on the decline.
They are, if you look around it's likely your own experience will back up the stats. Just before and after we moved into a new millennium basically every household in the west had a desktop or laptop (often both or even multiple) . That slowly moved towards more and more laptops as they offered enough power and screen space and in most households not everyone likes sacrificing space to a whole computer setup.
Once smartphones got introduced both desktop and laptop sales took a hit and keep on doing so. It's not just that people don't want to spend the money / sacrifice the needed space for it - the youth has grown up with just a smartphone. There's literal millions who don't know how to use a mouse or keyboard or only because they were forced to do so in school.
Heck, Windows itself took an even bigger hit because Chromebooks are **heavily** used in schools. A lot of kids wouldn't know how to even use Windows.

Funnily enough we went from kids knowing better than their parents how to use a PC to now parents knowing better than kids how to use a PC.

Where does that leave Microsoft? No wonder their OS is such rubbish.
It leaves them as one of the most valuable companies in the world. They have their fingers in a lot of pies. They got office running on browsers, mobile and mac for example, Windows isn't their one and only golden goose.

No wonder they keep adding bells and whistles (aka Bloatware) to try to slow the downhill trend. They are running out of ideas to sell to the fanboys that hang on every "perceived" improvement. They are finding that creating a pure data miner that gathers saleable personal information is easier than providing a secure efficient means of doing work for the user.
Easy money. All Hail Micro$oft!
Enshittification - they reached the biggest possible market share they can (they can basically only shrink from here on). So they try different avenues for income with more spyware and ads. They're not really competing against anyone so the only thing they can do is extract more value out of every customer. This is why monopolies are bad.
We seem to have this problem in particular with software and services where companies get so big in the market they run out of customers to get so they resort to getting more out of every customer until it reaches the boiling point where everyone is sick of getting milked so hard that they'll settle for a lesser alternative at a lower cost. Funnily Windows alternatives are either higher cost (Hi Apple!) or free - Linux.
Betcha Linux will keep growing and once it reaches a certain size Microsoft throws in the towel and runs their own software stack on top of the Linux kernel effectively becoming a weird Linux distro that doesn't run typical Linux things (a lot like Android / Chrome OS are at the moment).
 
Yeah but it seems Proton works better than the native Linux versions of games that have both, so as long as developers ensure they don't intentionally sabotage Proton compatibility, I don't see a need for Native. Unless some new API that is better than DirectX comes to Linux, there is no reason for native Linux games. As long as Proton continues to be developed. Everything except for invasive kernel anti-cheat already works. Seems roughly 97%+ of games are already fully functional.
We still have the issue of Microsoft controlling 3D API, similar to the situation for chromium engine for web browsers. But that's not going to change unless open-source comes up with something better.
Afaik this mostly comes down to games with CPU bottlenecks where Linux can have Windows beat. I know a little but not much about that topic so if I was to speculate with my limited knowledge I'd venture to guess that Linux's kernel which is also used to run massive webservers etc is highly optimized for getting stuff done fast. CPUs don't have drivers either so Intel/AMD can have their engineers directly optimize things in the kernel if needed/desired as well, Intel tends to be the single biggest contributor to the kernel even.

If games are heavily GPU bottlenecked I don't think Linux typically has a performance benefit and even in general it's a bit of a wash with some games running better on Linux and some on Windows (which is still a big Linux/Proton win as the games weren't developed with that in mind).

Can see Window's poor CPU performance/optimization with new architectures as well. Intels big/small core design was great immediately on Linux (then again, it's been doing that and more on Linux since whenever ARM started doing it) whilst Microsoft needed to work closely with Intel to get things going as intended. Same with AMDs core complex architecture - great on Linux, performance impacting back and forth between complexes under Windows which took quite a while to fix properly etc etc.
To me as someone with enough knowledge to reason myself to possibly the wrong conclusions it seems that the Linux kernel is just much more mature because it's used for more serious workloads (servers) as well as super low end hardware (smart devices and routers and such) where every small optimization is greatly appreciated. That and by its wider use/open source nature there will be more eyes going over the code finding performance related issues.
Windows runs on what, millions of devices that are mostly similar? Meanwhile Linux runs on billions(?) of devices - everything from your washing machine or even smart light bulb to super computers.
 
The obvious question one has to ask is, "who is Microsoft's customer?"

It's not retail customers, because it just told a good 50% of its audience that their hardware―which no doubt ran perfectly fine on Windows 10 and also under Windows 11...until it suddenly didn't, due to "mysterious circumstances", because of some Secure Boot optimization or maybe it was an update to BitLocker (even if they don't use it), all of which falls under "who knows and who cares? It worked before, it doesn't work now"―is now obsolete and they need to get new computers.

It's not enterprise partners, because most companies aren't apt to just dump their entire stock of machines, simply because an edict came down from high that their trusty workhorse recently died for no reason, and certainly not because of budgetary constraints. If anything, tightening up the pocketbook would requisite fewer future equipment purchases, not more.

I mean, do Microsoft shareholders want this? They still have to use the crap they themselves are encouraging, by pumping the stock ever higher. There isn't a "Microsoft 2" that makes AI and then "Microsoft 1" which makes the stuff people actually use. It's all the same company.

Seriously, who asked Microsoft to make Windows suck harder? Was Cortana not enough an insult to the user experience?
 
I've never seen a company so deaf to public opinion as MS these days. They've murdered XBOX and have been slowly bleeding windows dry for about 5 years.
 
I think they just need to emphasize that this is the future, not now. An agentic OS is certainly the future, I don't think anybody would argue against that. But maybe in 2025 and the near future, they just need to focus on stabilizing and providing the most polished version of Windows possible.

I've tried Copilot and it's nowhere near ready as an agent to do super simple things for me (In Word, I asked it to make all the columns in a 4-column table the same width and it couldn't even do that...so it's still a long ways away). I hope one day it will be able to do that, but that day is not in 2025.
 
Microsoft says Windows is becoming an agentic OS, but users simply hate the idea
It would of been nice to simply define what "agentic" actually means - preferably at the top of the article.

The company I work for has forced Win 11 down our collective throats.
They have to standardise on something otherwise it's chaos. I'll also say, I've been using Win 11 for years and it's been rock steady as an OS.
Linux, for all its unpolished flaws, has never once caused hair-pulling anger. That’s a big deal.
I tend to try Linux on old laptops every few years just to see if I can get used to it. I always find it's the connection to wifi that causes me the "hair-pulling anger". I'm not even a beginner, I'm very familiar with shell scripting and use Vim as my editor even on PC. Maybe it's better now but ...
 
The last Microsoft OS I bought, and was proud to buy, was Windows 7. Nothing after Windows 7 has provided me anything truly better or useful. I am tolerating Windows 10. I will not use Windows 11 if at all possible. If microsoft doesn't come up with a stable and reliable OS that doesn't keep changing frequently, I will have to consider something else.
 
Nope not going to have my PC just do things on its own. If MS does this, they are going to lose a very large user base. The only ones that stick around will be the ones that have no clue and live under a rock & like everything done for them not realizing just how bad this could be for them. Those that just buy into everything because they are also clueless.
 
I've been looking to what I really would need windows for; the answer at this point is; none. I could technically migrate everything to linux, and likely will find anything related to it that I was using windows for in the first place.

People, businesses, organisations should digging into linux at this point more due to the fact how mature it is and how much you can do with it you can do on Windows as well, without being pushed to the ever growing AI nonsense they all are pushing.

Microsoft lost it after 7 to be fair.
 
Yeah, I want to burn thousands of watts of power by asking windows to open a browser and go to a site. Lol, and then try and do anything complex while offline
 
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