Need more proof that patent litigation is killing innovation?

By Shawn Knight ยท 21 replies
Oct 8, 2012
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  1. If you needed further proof that patent wars are detrimental to innovation, look no further than a new piece from The New York Times. The extensive article highlights the fact that big companies often threaten small start-ups with an extensive...

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  2. howzz1854

    howzz1854 TS Evangelist Posts: 611   +94

    I can just see this biting their own *** one day. spending more on law suits than actually inventing product is just bad business. they're digging themselves into a hole that one day when everyone get over the apple iphone, there'll be nothing left for them to make money.
  3. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 2,922   +630

    Haha, I agree totally. The article and quote used made me laugh - well done.

    Typo in first paragraph, in the ()'s, by the way. [broad]
  4. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,741   +3,708

    The problem with patents is that they are so loosely translated, leaving a wide margin for patent trolling. Patents should be very well descriptive and not leave any doubt about patent infringement.

    Has anyone ever heard the term refining search parameters? If you only type in one word you will get more than you wanted for results. Any patent submission that is not very well refined should be dismissed without further thought.
  5. zarajoe1

    zarajoe1 TS Rookie

    So what I'm reading from this is "the next iPhone and ios update will be even further behind the competition" great. Starting to regret going all Apple
  6. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 2,922   +630

    Did you not do any research at all? At least since iOS3, every single version has been catch-up (and still not fully caught up).
  7. zarajoe1

    zarajoe1 TS Rookie

    I guess but I never really liked android before. It only now with jelly bean and the htc one x+ catching my eye that I have been putting more research into things.
  8. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 2,922   +630

    A valid point. I think Android really started getting mature from the later Gingerbread (2.0.3), and definitely from Ice Cream Sandwich onwards.
  9. zarajoe1

    zarajoe1 TS Rookie

    I agree. But I'm going to be needing a new phone still and what used to be a easy decision (iphone) is now much harder
  10. All I see patent litigation is not killing innovation, more likely 'innovation' has evolved to a new form

    yesterday: innovation in technology is needed
    now: we need more innovation in patent litigation

  11. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 1,946   +765

    Realistically, the idea that patent litigation kills innovation has been known for a long time. For anyone interested -

    From the wikipedia article:
    "The patent war stalled the development of the American aviation industry. In response, after the beginning of World War I, the U.S. Government pressured its aviation industry to form an organization that allowed the sharing of aviation patents."

    Patents do not protect innovation. They only provide inventors a right to sue others who might be using similar devices / ideas. And in the case of big companies swallowing little companies, they may be outright killing the inventiveness of the people who started and work for the small companies.

    Major patent reform is needed in the US, IMHO, and not the type of reform that happened in November 2011.
  12. Yep and samsung spends even less. Since they think they can steel stuff from apple. It is interesting how no matter what apple does ends up on the hate list. When they did not fight and got pushed under near bankrupt in the 90's almost wiped of the face of the earth for blatant copying. And now when they fight those who copy and undercut their business they are called tyrant. But yet all enjoy their innovation. Remember the release of the see through imac and afterwards the acrylic pc cases that copy. Every time apple makes a move others follow like monkeys. But yet apple is always viewed as bad since the innate adams apple. Apple is blamed for adam eating it. Nice.
  13. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,741   +3,708

    And where did Apple get that idea from, who deserves the real credit? Was it a kitchen window that spawned this idea? Are they paying royalties to the one who invented glass? Who knows where the idea came from, some ideas just don't deserve patents.
  14. Chazz

    Chazz TS Evangelist Posts: 679   +75

    I agree aswell. Up until recently I'd only recommend iOS or windows phone OS. I felt Android was very amateur and useless for anyone that isn't a techhead. Since jelly bean and Apple's slacking off, I now recommend Android and WP to my friends. Being the family tech guy, they usually come to me and send their friends for tech advice.
  15. Tygerstrike

    Tygerstrike TS Enthusiast Posts: 827   +93

    Ever since I got my Motorola Xoom tablet, Ive been in love with Android. That is not to say I hate Apple. I DO hate Apple. But only because the Iphone seems atleast 3yrs behind in its OS. I can customize my tablet in ways that my iphone <stock> can never do. I suppose Apple needs another "Brain" to help them make the rough business decsions. Ever since Jobs died Apple has been on a "EVIL CORP" power trip. Im hopeing that one day Apple will look back and realize how bad thier product has started to become and work on it. Instead of sueing every business out there that might infringe on thier patents. Im completly convinced that Apple is going to go after Hoyle the playing card company. You know sueing them because the shape of a playing card closly resembles a Iphone.....
  16. howzz1854

    howzz1854 TS Evangelist Posts: 611   +94

    comparing apple in the 90s to the current apple is like comparing Justin Bieber to Ana Nichole Smith, the two can't be more farther apart. apple in the 90's were owned by a different group of people and ran by a different group of people, without Steve Jobs. just like today's Microsof isn't the same as the microsoft of late 90's and early 2000. today's Microsoft isn't run by Bill Gates, and isn't exactly on the front of the innovation curve, more like playing catch up. and for the record, Jobs was the one heading the your so called "Evil Corp" litigation streak. the guy was a genius but not without a fault, in his private life, he was described by some as delusional, anti social. those were some of the few negative words used to describe him.
  17. howzz1854

    howzz1854 TS Evangelist Posts: 611   +94

    Btw, you can find all that in the FBI de-classified document released.
  18. Patents are the reason why I am leaving the technology field.
  19. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 1,946   +765

    Interesting how many people say Samsung is stealing from crApple, yet ignore the fact that Steve Jobs himself said that crApple stole everything that has made crApple's fortune.

    Perhaps what the majority of people who claim Samsung is stealing from crApple fail to see is that crApple is only interested in one thing - dominating and monopolizing the market by almost any necessary means.
  20. Apple is a greedy, innovation killing pig of a company. I guess making 80 gazillion dollars a year is just not enough. They're so busy running around suing Samsung and everybody else that has a phone that "sounds like an iPhone when it rings", that they loose sight of the fact that innovation is the lifeblood of everything.
  21. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,741   +3,708

    This is not just about Apple, its about all that try to dominate the market through the use of patents. A patent will stop anyone from innovating an idea further without paying royalties. Not everyone is willing to pay royalties, which limit the number of innovators working to improve an idea which is patented.
  22. In regards to the samsung spending less fanboi rage, I did a quick google search.

    Apple R&D: 2.4 Billion in 2011.
    Samsung: 9 billion in 2011.

    Apple makes phones, tablets, pc's, laptops, Monitors and periferals.
    Samsung makes TV's, Monitors, Phones, Tablets, PC's, Laptops, Microwaves, Dishwashers, Stoves, Speakers, Washing Machines, Cameras & Camcorders, and periferals for all of the above.

    Apple, actually, of all the companies legitimately competing with the iphone, is near the bottom on R&D expenditures.

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