Nissan teases EVs with "game-changing" battery tech for 2028

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Shawn Knight

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What just happened? Nissan is one step closer to rolling out game-changing battery technology that could further accelerate the popularity of electric vehicles. The Japanese automaker on Friday announced a prototype production facility for solid-state battery cells. These advanced batteries have approximately twice the energy density of conventional lithium-ion batteries and will cost less to produce thanks to their use of cheaper materials.

According to a report from the Associated Press, Nissan is working with NASA on the project. When complete, the battery tech will be stable enough for use in a pacemaker. For vehicle applications, the solid-state batteries will be about half the size of current packs and achieve a full charge in just 15 minutes.

Quick-charge batteries could be instrumental in getting consumers to trade in their gasoline-powered vehicles for fully electric models, especially if they are compatible with existing charging infrastructure. Assuming range is comparable to current EVs, range anxiety could soon become a thing of the past.

Nissan plans to open a pilot production line at its Yokohama Plant in fiscal 2024 with the goal of launching EVs with solid-state batteries developed in-house by fiscal 2028.

While promising, it's important to keep expectations in check. Such is especially true when it comes to battery technology as we've been promised game-changing advances in the past that never made it out of the lab. It could be different this time as the future of the automotive industry is riding on it.

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toooooot

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Better batteries are good.
Good because when all of these barbaric tribal countries cant get money for their oil, maybe they will stop killing each other and start improving their countries and make the lives of their people better.
Except for Russia, Russia will never change.
 

Dimitriid

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Again, 2028 is good but this is already 6 years too late we would need an immediate switch to all electric, both cars and grid generation IMMEDIATELY just to have a chance at not condemning us all.

I mean come on, you've got scientists chaining themselves to the doors of banks desperately tying to make everyone STOP INVESTING ON FOSSILS IMMEDIATELY and the best news we see is "Car company X will roll out a lot of electric cars 4 to 6 years from today"

Honestly my only advise right now it's don't have children and if you already do, please don't have any more: might be the less cruel way than bringing more people into the world that will have to live during the collapse of civilization and mass extinction.
 

scavengerspc

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Again, 2028 is good but this is already 6 years too late we would need an immediate switch to all electric, both cars and grid generation IMMEDIATELY just to have a chance at not condemning us all.

I mean come on, you've got scientists chaining themselves to the doors of banks desperately tying to make everyone STOP INVESTING ON FOSSILS IMMEDIATELY and the best news we see is "Car company X will roll out a lot of electric cars 4 to 6 years from today"

Honestly my only advise right now it's don't have children and if you already do, please don't have any more: might be the less cruel way than bringing more people into the world that will have to live during the collapse of civilization and mass extinction.
Agreed, but the transition from horses to the automobile took 50 years +\-
And in my opinion this change is far less drastic.
 

Theinsanegamer

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Uh huh. Sure nissan. You, the same company that cant figure out for the love of all that is holy that lithium that is air cooled in cars are horrible and fail REALLLY fast. Both of your leafs have suffered from this, whereas ford, VW, et al figured it out pretty quickly.

If you had such an "amazing tech" you'd be trademarking the tech and rolling in bank from every other car company on the planet, not teasing it as a release *years* away.
Again, 2028 is good but this is already 6 years too late we would need an immediate switch to all electric, both cars and grid generation IMMEDIATELY just to have a chance at not condemning us all.

I mean come on, you've got scientists chaining themselves to the doors of banks desperately tying to make everyone STOP INVESTING ON FOSSILS IMMEDIATELY and the best news we see is "Car company X will roll out a lot of electric cars 4 to 6 years from today"

Honestly my only advise right now it's don't have children and if you already do, please don't have any more: might be the less cruel way than bringing more people into the world that will have to live during the collapse of civilization and mass extinction.
CLIMATE ALRMISM!!!11!! WERE ALL GONNA DIE DONT HAVE KIDS AAAAHHHHREDDITMOMENT!!!

Here's a hint for you, cars in the west make up a tiny percentage of CO2 emissions worldwide, switching to all EV here means jack shite in the grand scheme of things, and you'll have to burn lots of coal to make the electricity since the sun doesnt shine at night. And that wont save the world, or end it. Calm down. Of if you really feel that strongly, you can help fix the issue right now, you create CO2 every day.
Agreed, but the transition from horses to the automobile took 50 years +\-
And in my opinion this change is far less drastic.
There are significant issues with EVs that didnt hurt gas vehicles. For one thing gas vehicles required less maintenance then horses, could run on fuel that at the time you could grow and ferment yourself, and offered significant advantages in range and usability.

By comparison, EVs may have less maintenance but what maintenance does need to be done is so high tech that at home repairs will be near impossible E.G. battery replacement. Their useful range is notably smaller then gas vehicles, and refueling them takes WAY longer. And as the weight of vehicles increase the sense they make decreases, check out TFL truck's reviews of electric trucks, anything remotely truck like and the batteries cant make it 100 miles without a 3 hour recharge.

Then there's the infrastructure issue, our grid simply cannot handle the load. The numbers are hard to find but effectively just switching consumer road traffic to all electric would increase electric demand by over 50%. We dont have the generational capacity built, we can't handle AC load as is. Building out that new infrastructure, and all the transmission lines to handle it, is enormous, effectively you will need to fully rebuild the electric grid. Now the grid is long overdue for an upgrade, but this kind of thing takes decades to do. And what will you build? Solar? Great, doesnt work in winter or at night. Coal and oil? Well we cant do that, fossils are evil. Nuclear? MUH CHERNOBYL.

Then we have to address the lack of lithium on earth, the lack of battery manufacture, and the pollution such systems create. And the cost, dont forget the cost, with car companies like ford, chevy, and mercedes all signaling that EVS will be notably more expensive and that they are repositioning to margin over volume, signaling that EVS will likely be out of reach for most middle class and lower class people for likely decades to come. And dont forget the charging infrastructure which, despite 15 years of heavy investment, is a drop in the pool compared to gas infrastructure and will likely take another 50+ years to fully build out.

EVs are a neat idea but far from ideal, there's been renewed interest in the likes of hydrogen and natural gas for that very reason. Physics ultimately wins over party ideology, something the communists figured out the hard way.
 

kiwigraeme

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I clicked on the link - it's just a promo piece - no real details.
But Battery tech has been improving YOY- yes the new tech is shy of making an appearance.
But a new "battery tech" can be a holy grail to print money . There is billions of dollars and many Universities researching this stuff of recent -What it would be surprising by the end of the decade there weren't at least 2 o 3 new options on the market.
Look at rDNA - what happened in one year - rDNA medicine is not simply just created instructions for the body to make certain protein or things . But you have to implement so it's not just mopped up by the immune system before it can do something . Without Covid 19 - it would of probably another 5 years to get to this level. Soon we will have rDNA have the body create now expensive drugs right in the body

The tools researchers have now - are so much better than the tools 5 years ago .
Chemistry is just physics in disguise - I naively thought that when you understand the Physics you could predict any compound or given state ( temp - pressure etc ) - that I believe is mostly true - but computationally very hard - and scientist still use a lot of applied experiments to find solutions - eg super conductors at higher temps & lower pressure .
Maybe with Quantum Computers with1000s of qubits - they can pump out some optimum solutions
 

scavengerspc

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Here's a hint for you, cars in the west make up a tiny percentage of CO2 emissions worldwide, switching to all EV here means jack shite in the grand scheme of things,
Not true, but EVs are way more than just being "green". Read up.
and you'll have to burn lots of coal to make the electricity since the sun doesnt shine at night
Already solved. Learn about thermal and mechanical storage.
our grid simply cannot handle the load
That has been covered here REPEATEDLY. And you still don't know.
For one thing gas vehicles required less maintenance then horses
Odd you would say that (not really). Horses were why cars took so long to catch on. Mechanical breakdowns were at maddening levels, and horses never broke down. Damn man.
By comparison, EVs may have less maintenance but what maintenance does need to be done is so high tech that at home repairs will be near impossible
Again. Bullshit. And I speak from experience here. WAY off.
Solar? Great, doesnt work in winter or at night.
I had to toss this one in again. How can you be so out of touch?
Then we have to address the lack of lithium on earth
Don't worry. There will still be plenty of lithium left by the time we dont need it anymore. Remember? That's what this very article is about.
signaling that EVS will be notably more expensive and that they are repositioning to margin over volume
In fact, EVs will continue to drop in price. Like they are.
EVS will likely be out of reach for most middle class and lower class people for likely decades to come
Even if true, ever heard of a ........Used car?
there's been renewed interest in the likes of hydrogen and natural gas
Only by a few folks that don't know what the hell they are talking about.
Guess who that includes!? ;)
Physics ultimately wins over party ideology, something the communists figured out the hard way.
A great way to conclude such a convoluted and fact free post. Complete confusion. And like it or not, facts are still everything, because without them, you know what we get? Right Wing CONServatism.

And now, if you don't mind, my throat hurts from the laughter. I need to get back into this century. And reality.
 
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dragosmp

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Has it been 6 months already? Oh good, another game changing battery tech!
precisely :)

So many things could go wrong by then. For example, say your 2028 EV has a 100kWh pack for about 300 real miles. This tech is charging that in 15mn, so at 4C, so at 400kW average power. Nowadays chargers are maybe 85% efficient, so charging losses of 60kW that somehow need to be cooled while the car is stationary. How/what/why the heck does anyone think this is a good idea or achievable at all? Ah wait, it's a 5 year plan, aim high sort of thing. Yes, don't save your pennies for this one
 

scavengerspc

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precisely :)

So many things could go wrong by then. For example, say your 2028 EV has a 100kWh pack for about 300 real miles. This tech is charging that in 15mn, so at 4C, so at 400kW average power. Nowadays chargers are maybe 85% efficient, so charging losses of 60kW that somehow need to be cooled while the car is stationary. How/what/why the heck does anyone think this is a good idea or achievable at all? Ah wait, it's a 5 year plan, aim high sort of thing. Yes, don't save your pennies for this one

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JohnMoser

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Again, 2028 is good but this is already 6 years too late we would need an immediate switch to all electric, both cars and grid generation IMMEDIATELY just to have a chance at not condemning us all.

So, to save the world all we really need to do is start using technology that doesn't exist yet...six years ago?
How much does that cost?
 

Dimitriid

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So, to save the world all we really need to do is start using technology that doesn't exist yet...six years ago?
How much does that cost?
No: To save the world we need to stop thinking stupid electric cars will be any kind of reliable solution.

It is far simpler: BUILD SOME TRAINS. LOTS OF THEM. Just start deconstructing the endless miles of pavement infrastructures and vast deserts of parking spots and start enabling people to actually stop using their cars. It's not as expensive as like you say, "start using technology that doesn't exists yet" Because we've had trains for 200 years now and a single light train or trolley can replace hundreds, even thousands of cars in basically just a handful of months and a fraction of the cost than waiting for climate accord deals everyone ignores anyway and car companies that basically just want to address the problem as long as they can keep selling cars that carry 1 or 2 people around a city on average instead of 1000s of passengers on a single light train.
 

Athlonite

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With the goal of launching EVs with solid-state batteries developed in-house by fiscal 2028

Big whoop by the time that happens there'll already be vehicles using better tech it's a case of to little far to late Nissan
 

Puiu

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No: To save the world we need to stop thinking stupid electric cars will be any kind of reliable solution.

It is far simpler: BUILD SOME TRAINS. LOTS OF THEM. Just start deconstructing the endless miles of pavement infrastructures and vast deserts of parking spots and start enabling people to actually stop using their cars. It's not as expensive as like you say, "start using technology that doesn't exists yet" Because we've had trains for 200 years now and a single light train or trolley can replace hundreds, even thousands of cars in basically just a handful of months and a fraction of the cost than waiting for climate accord deals everyone ignores anyway and car companies that basically just want to address the problem as long as they can keep selling cars that carry 1 or 2 people around a city on average instead of 1000s of passengers on a single light train.

Unlike the US, the rest of the world does have a lot of trains (and I use them). But that doesn't change the simple fact that big cities are become harder and harder to live in as the air becomes more and more polluted, especially during the summer.

Electric cars may not save the planet, but they have the potential to remove the smog from densely populated areas which I hope happens sooner rather than later.
 
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wiyosaya

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In fact, Ford and Toyota have target dates between 2024-25 for SS batteries.
Glad to see you refuting the FUD myths of the unimaginative. I have found it to be an exhausting and thankless task. One of my favorites is that EVs will never be affordable. Great job handling that. I would not doubt if the same thing was said when automobiles were first invented. Yet lo and behold - automobiles became affordable. :rolleyes:

Ah, but what the hell. Life was better during the stone age when "real" men could just use clubs to get women to submit and automobiles were foot-powered. 🤣

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wiyosaya

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For the edification of anyone that wants it, the issues of heat dissipation by solid state batteries are not as dire as those of you who think they are.

From the article:
Solid state batteries attempt to address these problems by replacing the liquid electrolyte with an eco-friendly, non-flammable, solid ceramic electrolyte. There's still a problem, though, as the interface between the anode and this material can be chemically unstable, limiting the rate at which ions are able to pass through.

Researchers from Sweden's Chalmers University and China's Xi'an Jiaotong University are attempting to address that shortcoming, with their new interlayer paste.

Similar in texture to "butter from the fridge," the substance gets spread onto the surface of a metal lithium anode, forming a transitional layer between it and the solid electrolyte. It consists of nanoparticles of the electrolyte material – a ceramic called LAGP – along with an ionic liquid (which is salt in a liquid state).

When added to an existing solid state battery, the paste was found to produce a tenfold increase in current density, which is defined as the amount of charge per unit time that flows through a unit area of a chosen cross section.

"This interlayer makes the battery cell significantly more stable, and therefore able to withstand much higher current density," says Chalmers researcher Shizhao Xiong. "What is also important is that it is very easy to apply the soft mass onto the lithium metal anode in the battery – like spreading butter on a sandwich."
But what they hell. Just keep playing arm-chair physicists.

EDIT: BTW - there's much more info out there on the heat problem and how it is being addressed - if you care to actually look for it instead of spouting BS.
 
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