AMD Zen 3's Second Act: Revisiting the Ryzen 5600X, 5700X, and 5800XT

[Steve]

DDR5 pricing has pushed gamers back to AMD's AM4 platform. With Zen 3D chips gone, CPUs like the 5600X, 5700X, and 5800XT are resurging, so we retested them across 14 games.

Read the full article here.

AMD Zen 3's Second Act: Revisiting the Ryzen 5600X, 5700X, and 5800XT

 

[Rapob]

Next few years will be rough for Hardware sites yeah, Zen 6 and Nova Lake in what, 6-12 months? If not delayed due to RAM prices

Intel new socket, new boards, a whole new platform but expensive RAM means no-one will buy it probably

At least Zen 6 is AM5 so people can upgrade their current 7000/9000 if they want

New gaming GPUs in late 2027 or even 2028

My 4090 is looking to be the best GPU purchase I ever made, bought for 1200 dollars around release in 2022 and 4 years later still the 2nd best GPU with plenty of VRAM

I might keep this card till 2028-2030 unless next gen is truly good and worth upgrading to.
I want at least 24GB VRAM again with a 75-100% higher raster power increase.

 

[alexnode]

I think strategy, building, rts games are more affected by CPU satisfactory, minecraft with redstone, City skylines 1, anno... chunking frames for rainbow six ...is not very relevant .

 

[ScottSoapbox]

Was it ever established how Windows 10 performance compared to these to Windows 11 results?

Is Windows 11 24 actually faster or was it just fixing as Windows 11 23 slow down?

EDIT: See my below post for the answers.

 

[GeoffreyA]

Was it ever established how Windows 10 performance compared to these to Windows 11 results?

Is Windows 11 24 actually faster or was it just fixing as Windows 11 23 slow down?

I was wondering myself how W10 compares. Would be interesting to see.

 

[ScottSoapbox]

Was it ever established how Windows 10 performance compared to these to Windows 11 results?

Is Windows 11 24 actually faster or was it just fixing as Windows 11 23 slow down?

Found the answer:

In some games, Win 11 24H2 is faster than Windows 10 which is faster than Win 11 23H2 (which was essentially broken until they later backported the 24H2 fix).

Notably: the difference between Win 11 24H2 and Windows 10 is zero for most games and 3% or less for most of the "cherry picked games that had a difference in prior testing" (Steve's words). A few games were +8-9%.

So no big reason to upgrade for speed if you are on Win 10, but benchmark data using Win 11 23H2 is pessimistic for today.

 

[ScottSoapbox]

The follow up HUB video with 5800x3D is now live.

While this article shows the 5000 series is still good for gaming, the video shows 5800x3D is still great for gaming. So glad I upgraded to one back in the day.

 

[Jyrkz]

Why not include x5700x3d and x5800x3d?

 

[PierreJG]

Hey. my R5 5500 is still hanging in there with a small thread but I can promise you, I will not get those numbers with my RX6600XT. Got this pc for cheap but busy rebuilding this whole system, Just had to get the 6600 as I got it for a killer price and my 1050TI would most prob had a stroke with this CPU.

 

[James321]

Why not include x5700x3d and x5800x3d?

Watch the Video it is included...

 

[Shirley Dulcey]

I guess I'll be sticking with my 5800X with 32 GB RAM for a bit longer. You didn't test that part, but it should be just a tad slower than the 5800XT; the latter is only a mild bump up in speed. It's now paired with a RX 9070 XT that I got at MSRP on launch day; that combo should see me through the dark times of insane RAM pricing.

 

[daffy duck]

Damn why no say 12600/13600/12700/13700 cpu's in the mix, natural competitors to 5800X/5700/5600.

I have no choice but to stick with my 5800X system for quite a long time it seems> I don't care that much about gaming, even though I play some games, but for what I do I can easily exploit 12-16 cores and 128GB. NExt gen Zen 6 and Nova Lake sound promising, but I doubt memory will retreat in pricing for at least another 18-24 months unless miraculously (and hopefully) the AI ponzi scheme shatters.

 

[Julio Franco]

Why not include x5700x3d and x5800x3d?

Tomorrow.

 

[Rapob]

Damn why no say 12600/13600/12700/13700 cpu's in the mix, natural competitors to 5800X/5700/5600.

I have no choice but to stick with my 5800X system for quite a long time it seems> I don't care that much about gaming, even though I play some games, but for what I do I can easily exploit 12-16 cores and 128GB. NExt gen Zen 6 and Nova Lake sound promising, but I doubt memory will retreat in pricing for at least another 18-24 months unless miraculously (and hopefully) the AI ponzi scheme shatters.

Intel 13th gen was not a Ryzen 5000 competitor. Intel 11th and 12th Gen was.

Intel 13th gen = Ryzen 7000 series.
Intel 14th gen (refresh) = Ryzen 7000/9000 series
Arrow Lake = Flop, but still a 7000/9000 competitor.

13700K with decent speed DDR5 slaps Ryzen 5000 with ease.
Only 5800X3D does win in a few games, due to the 3D cache and this is the only chip I would bother using in a AM4 gaming system today. 5700X3D will work too.

Regular 5800X is smashed by 13700K.
AM4 is a dated platform and 5800X3D/5700X3D is the only way to have "decent gaming perf" but it won't be good compared to CPUs like 9800X3D and 7800X3D + DDR5 delivers a big boost in many games and applications too. Even Intel 13th and 14th gen will be a big boost over a regular Ryzen 5000 SKU, in both games and applications.

I went from 5800X3D to 9800X3D both with 32GB high speed memory and the upgrade was massive. Day vs night in CPU intensive tasks and CPU bound games, which is what I mainly do on my 500 Hz OLED monitor. There is no comparison really. From 200-250 fps average with 100 fps lows to like 400-500 fps average and 200-250 fps lows. Smoothness went from decent to insane.

While AM4 and Ryzen 3000/5000 still "works", it is not high-end or even close.
People tend to overestimate how capable a Ryzen 5000 CPU is today.
Just because your requirements are somewhat low, does not mean Ryzen 5000 is still great.

You don't need more power? Good for you, but please don't act like Ryzen 5000 is even close to Ryzen 7000/9000 and Intel 13th/14th/ARL level. DDR5 on its own brings benefits in alot of games and software on top of the vastly faster CPU.

I see people praise 1080 Ti still as well. That just makes no sense. Old hardware got old. Are you still fine with it? Good for you but lets be real

 

[MrJelly]

Intel 13th gen was not a Ryzen 5000 competitor. Intel 11th and 12th Gen was.

Intel 13th gen = Ryzen 7000 series.
Intel 14th gen (refresh) = Ryzen 7000/9000 series
Arrow Lake = Flop, but still a 7000/9000 competitor.

13700K with decent speed DDR5 slaps Ryzen 5000 with ease.
Only 5800X3D does win in a few games, due to the 3D cache and this is the only chip I would bother using in a AM4 gaming system today. 5700X3D will work too.

Regular 5800X is smashed by 13700K.
AM4 is a dated platform and 5800X3D/5700X3D is the only way to have "decent gaming perf" but it won't be good compared to CPUs like 9800X3D and 7800X3D + DDR5 delivers a big boost in many games and applications too. Even Intel 13th and 14th gen will be a big boost over a regular Ryzen 5000 SKU, in both games and applications.

I went from 5800X3D to 9800X3D both with 32GB high speed memory and the upgrade was massive. Day vs night in CPU intensive tasks and CPU bound games, which is what I mainly do on my 500 Hz OLED monitor. There is no comparison really. From 200-250 fps average with 100 fps lows to like 400-500 fps average and 200-250 fps lows. Smoothness went from decent to insane.

While AM4 and Ryzen 3000/5000 still "works", it is not high-end or even close.
People tend to overestimate how capable a Ryzen 5000 CPU is today.
Just because your requirements are somewhat low, does not mean Ryzen 5000 is still great.

You don't need more power? Good for you, but please don't act like Ryzen 5000 is even close to Ryzen 7000/9000 and Intel 13th/14th/ARL level. DDR5 on its own brings benefits in alot of games and software on top of the vastly faster CPU.

I see people praise 1080 Ti still as well. That just makes no sense. Old hardware got old. Are you still fine with it? Good for you but lets be real

The article mentions the reasons in the first paragraph:

"The ongoing RAM crunch has turned DDR5 into a real hurdle for anyone upgrading or building a new PC. As a result, many are circling back to AMD's last-generation AM4 platform."

And even if you didn't read it and just checked the charts, you had to notice that DDR5 RAM costs now 3x as much than few months ago. So people are coming back to AM4 with DDR4 because the price is reasonable and performance is is still good enough.

 

[Rapob]

The article mentions the reasons in the first paragraph:

"The ongoing RAM crunch has turned DDR5 into a real hurdle for anyone upgrading or building a new PC. As a result, many are circling back to AMD's last-generation AM4 platform."

And even if you didn't read it and just checked the charts, you had to notice that DDR5 RAM costs now 3x as much than few months ago. So people are coming back to AM4 with DDR4 because the price is reasonable and performance is is still good enough.

Price on DDR4 is not reasonable. Exploded as well. DDR4 production is limited at this point, if demand grows, price will explode even more than DDR5.

Only reason AM4 became relavant again, is because people already have the RAM.

The only chips to consider in a dated AM4 build, is 5800X3D/5700X3D if you are a gamer, or 5950X if you need the CPU threads for work but they won't even come close to newer high-end CPUs.

Performance is not good enough for me. I upgraded from AM4/5800X3D for a reason and the upgrade was huge.

Most holding on to their AM4 platform, does it because of no money or low requirements.

 

[MrJelly]

Price on DDR4 is not reasonable. Exploded as well. DDR4 production is limited at this point, if demand grows, price will explode even more than DDR5.

Only reason AM4 became relavant again, is because people already have the RAM.

The only chips to consider in a dated AM4 build, is 5800X3D/5700X3D if you are a gamer, or 5950X if you need the CPU threads for work but they won't even come close to newer high-end CPUs.

Performance is not good enough for me. I upgraded from AM4/5800X3D for a reason and the upgrade was huge.

Most holding on to their AM4 platform, does it because of no money or low requirements.

Would you upgrade to AM5 even at the current DDR5 prices? Many people don't. And those with old PCs who still want or need to upgrade think AM4 is a good alternative. That doesn't mean YOU should see it that way. But even if you are willing to spend much more for better performance that the average PC gamer, that doesn't mean the average PC gamer is somehow wrong. Just that they currently don't want or are not able to spend as much as you. So articles like this make sense.

 

[Rapob]

Would you upgrade to AM5 even at the current DDR5 prices? Many people don't. And those with old PCs who still want or need to upgrade think AM4 is a good alternative. That doesn't mean YOU should see it that way. But even if you are willing to spend much more for better performance that the average PC gamer, that doesn't mean the average PC gamer is somehow wrong. Just that they currently don't want or are not able to spend as much as you. So articles like this make sense.

Yeah if I needed an upgrade, I would. I would never use an almost 10 year old platform in my primary PC.

If you use Ryzen 1000/2000/3000 then an upgrade to 5000/5000X3D would make sense, unless you have less than 32GB RAM or slow RAM.

Buying DDR4 memory is not much cheaper than buying DDR5 so if you need to replace dated memory (slow clocks/slow timings) or need to upgrade to 32GB then you might as well just sell the entire platform and upgrade to AM5 and get it over with. There is no future in AM4 at this point, especially not if you are stuck with a 16GB RAM kit.

AM5 is only mid generation. Will get Zen 6 for sure and probably Zen 7 as well.
AMD is in no rush to launch AM6 and DDR6 won't be for consumers before 2030 or so.

My expectation is AM6 + DDR6 will come around 2029-2030 with very steep pricing, which will take 1-2 years to get "normal" and for clockspeeds and timings to improve

Latest rumours says RAM pricing won't be somewhat normal before 2031.

 

[hahahanoobs]

HWC used more reasonable GPUs for the CPUs they tested. I was hoping to see something closer to the 5070 than the 5090 here.

 

[PaladinNH]

Probably going to end up skipping DDR5 all around. Built a 12400F/6800XT DDR4 rig at the end of 2022 for under $1000, and have since upgraded the guts to a 14600K/5070 and honestly don't know what I'm missing except possibly the Ti. At 4K, I'm still plenty GPU bound. 2030-2031 sounds fine for a DDR6 rig.

 

[FrancB]

With 32Go DDR4 available, seriously considering upgrading from i7 5820k to AM4... seems like a bargain considering DDR5 upgrade price, and it would allow me to wait for the next gen.