Nvidia calls cryptocurrency useless for society, says its graphics cards are better used...

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A hot potato: Nvidia's history with cryptocurrency has been colorful, to say the least. The company has made billions of dollars thanks to the popularity of its graphics cards for cryptomining, but it said in a recent interview that crypto does not "bring anything useful for society."

Speaking to The Guardian, Nvidia Chief Technology Officer Micheal Kagan said that the processing power of the company's GPUs should be used for tasks more worthwhile than mining crypto, such as powering AI-based technologies like ChatGPT.

"All this crypto stuff, it needed parallel processing, and [Nvidia] is the best, so people just programmed it to use for this purpose. They bought a lot of stuff, and then eventually it collapsed, because it doesn't bring anything useful for society. AI does," Kagan told the Guardian.

"With ChatGPT, everybody can now create his own machine, his own program: you just tell it what to do, and it will. And if it doesn't work the way you want it to, you tell it 'I want something different'."

Kagan compared cryptocurrency to high-frequency trading, an industry that brought a lot of business for Mellanox, the supplier of networking products that he co-founded and was acquired by Nvidia in 2020.

"We were heavily involved in algo trading: people on Wall Street were buying our stuff to save a few nanoseconds on the wire, the banks were doing crazy things like pulling the fibers under the Hudson taut to make them a little bit shorter, to save a few nanoseconds between their datacentre and the stock exchange," he said.

"I never believed that [crypto] is something that will do something good for humanity. You know, people do crazy things, but they buy your stuff, you sell them stuff. But you don't redirect the company to support whatever it is."

It's somewhat ironic to hear Nvidia's CTO criticizing crypto in the style of Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger. So many Nvidia products were sold for mining that it caused the company's share price to plummet following the 2018 crypto crash. But it turned out that Nvidia failed to disclose exactly how much of its revenue was coming from miners, leading to a $5.5 million SEC fine last year.

Allegations that team green reported $1 billion in crypto revenue as gaming revenue in 2017-2018 also led to a billion-dollar lawsuit against Nvidia, which was dismissed due to lack of evidence in 2021.

Nvidia tried to distance itself from crytpomining in 2021 when it launched Lite Hash Rate (LHR) versions of most of its RTX 3000 lineup, but it accidentally published a beta driver for the RTX 3060 that removed the limiter. The rest were bypassed within a year. This came during the last crypto-boom that, combined with the pandemic/chip shortage, resulted in graphics cards selling at two or even three times their MSRP.

Nvidia's praise of ChatGPT is no surprise. OpenAI trained ChatGPT on a supercomputer Microsoft built from tens of thousands of Nvidia A100 GPUs. The Redmond giant announced a new array utilizing Nvidia's newer H100 GPUs earlier this month.

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Cryptocurrency is a solution to the problem that was not pressed. The problem was Citizen's United saying corporations are people. If that were pressed, the stock market would be trafficking, and cryptocurrency would be the solution - buying that company's currency instead of the company.
 
Cryptocurrency is a solution to the problem that was not pressed. The problem was Citizen's United saying corporations are people. If that were pressed, the stock market would be trafficking, and cryptocurrency would be the solution - buying that company's currency instead of the company.
It's always fascinating to watch cryptobros try to sell their idea by speedrunning financial history to impress us. Tonight's course: why company script is a good thing, actually!

Somehow in your mind a company releasing shared via crypto is somehow better then companies releasing shares via wall street, and this would fix.......something to do with trafficking? Utterly fascinating.

Wrong, of course, but fascinating.
 
Oh, yes, the one and only NV soooo concerned about crypto, but reaping all the benefits for several years. The best they could come up with was a half @ssed hash rate limiter, that was circumvented in what, a month?

Actually it was almost immediately when a new driver for the GPUs was "accidently released" when the LHR cards started selling. Nivida knew what it was doing. Launch GPUs that are meant for gamers by restricting ETH mining capabilities, but at the same time releasing a driver that bypasses LHR for the miners so they can still get LHR cards and not be impacted by the feature.

Now that crypto mining is basically nothing, Nvidia is digging their claws in the the "AI" aspect of things. The AI aspect of things isn't even AI. The chat bots don't learn, they just regurgitate, but with how the term AI is being used and marketed people think it really is AI. Now companies are using AI for everything because it's the next best thing on the market. Nvidia is pushing their stock towards AI because lots of companies are betting big on it to make money so Nvidia is there to cash in.
 
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They didn't have a problem selling their GPUs to miners when crypto was booming, now it's useless? Useless for them maybe cause they're not making money off of it.

What about gaming then? That is so useful, right, but they won't say a thing, yet, cause that's what made them.
He never said they had a problem with selling said GPUs. And they are right, it is a functionally useless product.
 
"Crypto is soooo bad, how could anyone ever support this? Us? Noooo we just did it because people wanted our product for that, we didn't support it!" says Nvidia exec, lying on a massive pile of cahs raked in from actively marketing their cards for crypto, and even making crypto specific versions like the CMP cards......
 
I don't think so. Its just business. Crypto peak has passed.
Now, they went for the "overhyped"
Where Tech companies are willing to pay $$$
 
Oh, yes, the one and only NV soooo concerned about crypto, but reaping all the benefits for several years. The best they could come up with was a half @ssed hash rate limiter, that was circumvented in what, a month?

What mechanisms were their competitors offering?
 
They didn't have a problem selling their GPUs to miners when crypto was booming, now it's useless? Useless for them maybe cause they're not making money off of it.

Why would they have a problem selling GPUs?
That's their business.
 
I think what he means is that what is stopping them from just moving into that segment and leaving the consumer segment behind completely.

But that would be a ridiculous notion. The segments subsidize each other.
Why would they want to change that?
 
It shouldn't take an nVidia executive to make us realise that cryptocurrencies don't really do anything positive. I could've told you that years ago. They do create some pretty serious negatives though, like stratospheric video card prices.
 
I can see why Nvidia calls crypto currencies useless for society but I'm not sure that improving the intelligence of AI's is a positive step.
 
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