The score of 70 makes sense. After all, the 4080 got a score of 80 two years ago. So this is what an 80, aged two years, looks like now.
Nvidia GeForce RTX 5080 Review
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brucek
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It feels like they are not making sufficient quantities of the 5090 for that to be a primary motivation. And to the extent it makes the allegedly much higher supply 5080 look less desirable, it could actually be counterproductive to total sales.
I honestly don't understand their strategy except maybe as part of a bigger picture. I think the 5090 desktop exists in this generation primarily as a halo/marketing statement. Maybe one goal is to promote sales of the "5090" laptop GPU, which is not at all the same thing, but could be a distinction lost on some consumers. Maybe another is a long term play in establishing the $2K+ price point for real launch at a future time when then can build real supply quantities. Or maybe they honestly believed they could produce in quantity at one point, and were later disappointed and/or overwhelmed by data center AI demand.
Seems like a flagrant waste of money gjven the excellent 4k perfromance from RX 7900XTX/7900XT, RTX 4080 Super/4080/3080ti/3080.
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This is depressing because they can't improve other cards in the stack by much if the top (non halo) card is only 11% (4K) and 9% (4K RT) better .
The 4070 TI Super is only 30% (4K) and 45% (4K RT) behind the 5080 which makes me doubt the +20% gen uplift estimates. +15% seems like the most one can hope for, which is just sad.
The 4070 TI Super is only 30% (4K) and 45% (4K RT) behind the 5080 which makes me doubt the +20% gen uplift estimates. +15% seems like the most one can hope for, which is just sad.
I really thought I'd be upgrading my 3080 to either the 5080 or 5070 TI depending on how they panned out, but now I'm wondering if I should just wait for the Supers or even 6000 series.
HardwareHunt365
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An epic win.
*The RTX 5080 ($999) is up to 80% faster than the RTX 4090 ($1599).
*4x MFG (50-series) vs. FG (40-series)
This provides definitive metric evidence that the RTX 5070 ($549) will easily outperform the RTX 4090 ($1599); a feat only made possible by AI and the 4x MFG advantage of the 50-series.
I know what my next GPU will be.
*The RTX 5080 ($999) is up to 80% faster than the RTX 4090 ($1599).
*4x MFG (50-series) vs. FG (40-series)
This provides definitive metric evidence that the RTX 5070 ($549) will easily outperform the RTX 4090 ($1599); a feat only made possible by AI and the 4x MFG advantage of the 50-series.
I know what my next GPU will be.
GodisanAtheist
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Damn. My dreams of picking up a used 4080S or 7900XTX for cheap have been dashed.
I suspect used card prices are actually going to go UP now since there really isn't any downward price/performance pressure coming from the new gen.
I suspect used card prices are actually going to go UP now since there really isn't any downward price/performance pressure coming from the new gen.
Wait, 3080 is still a great. I have a feeling that were going to see a price drop 3-4 months after launch. While their new tech is nice to have, very few people see it as something worth paying for.
If you're happy with your level of performance just wait.
There is still plenty of new'old stock sitting on shelves, we'll see price cuts on the 7000 and 40 seres soon enough.
Meanwhile, in forums elsewhere... facebook, reddit aso...
Some ppl are talking like AMD might miss an opportunity here, or they'd best not miss it, or they failed us (how could they?)
I just had to take some to task on the basis that AMD did miss an oppo before, if only cos releasing cards in RDA2/3 that finally competed with Nvidia's top tiers in raster at up to half the price was seen as trash. These are the same ppl that talk about Nvidia's MSRP as if it was even close to a thing from Ampere launch through 2022 and for Ada until the Super revisions. The same ppl, reviewers and influencers that might have talked up some merits of AMD in those gens but never backed it up with buying. And the horde of AMD naysayers, bringing up ancient complaints and old memes to support their argument a la userbenchmark.
The same ppl, I might add, that bet on Battlemage being the new second best. With a 4060 contender right before the next gen drops to remind us (perhaps) of them doing the same thing with their last offerings. Meh.
So here's what we have effectively, going by the Techspot review and benchmarks (which I'll take as gospel) The 5080 beats the 7900XTX by only a slightly larger margin in raster as the XTX beat the 4080. It doesn't quite reach a 4090, nm the 50 fps lift I got going from a 6800XT to a 7900XTX (which was actually cheaper) And any more than that most likely the product of what is tbf some great work on DLSS and frame gen etc... which, ok cool but you kind of expect more when such magic still can't run games all by itself. Especially with the kind of prices, real world not MSRP, that we've seen before now and are likely to be repeated.
Against that we have an AMD taking a big step back as the above facts showed them it's not worth their time, R&D and production costs to fight in a class nobody likes them for. We now have them, with the 9070's, possibly keeping apace of the 7900XT/XTX with some admittedly much needed improvements elsewhere. Again, cool... but having a 7900XTX already I have no more need of that than I did of a 4080 for £500+ more or an underwhelming 5080 for at least as much again.
Yeah, call me when Nvidia gain some perspective and fair pricing for what's offered (and no, RT and DLSS was never worth many hundreds more) or AMD release UDNA or whatever.
No, I don't like that the future looks like the only option to maintain 3440x1440 and 4K perf is Nvidia only with a significant lean on frame gen to get there. But for that I don't blame AMD at all.
Some ppl are talking like AMD might miss an opportunity here, or they'd best not miss it, or they failed us (how could they?)
I just had to take some to task on the basis that AMD did miss an oppo before, if only cos releasing cards in RDA2/3 that finally competed with Nvidia's top tiers in raster at up to half the price was seen as trash. These are the same ppl that talk about Nvidia's MSRP as if it was even close to a thing from Ampere launch through 2022 and for Ada until the Super revisions. The same ppl, reviewers and influencers that might have talked up some merits of AMD in those gens but never backed it up with buying. And the horde of AMD naysayers, bringing up ancient complaints and old memes to support their argument a la userbenchmark.
The same ppl, I might add, that bet on Battlemage being the new second best. With a 4060 contender right before the next gen drops to remind us (perhaps) of them doing the same thing with their last offerings. Meh.
So here's what we have effectively, going by the Techspot review and benchmarks (which I'll take as gospel) The 5080 beats the 7900XTX by only a slightly larger margin in raster as the XTX beat the 4080. It doesn't quite reach a 4090, nm the 50 fps lift I got going from a 6800XT to a 7900XTX (which was actually cheaper) And any more than that most likely the product of what is tbf some great work on DLSS and frame gen etc... which, ok cool but you kind of expect more when such magic still can't run games all by itself. Especially with the kind of prices, real world not MSRP, that we've seen before now and are likely to be repeated.
Against that we have an AMD taking a big step back as the above facts showed them it's not worth their time, R&D and production costs to fight in a class nobody likes them for. We now have them, with the 9070's, possibly keeping apace of the 7900XT/XTX with some admittedly much needed improvements elsewhere. Again, cool... but having a 7900XTX already I have no more need of that than I did of a 4080 for £500+ more or an underwhelming 5080 for at least as much again.
Yeah, call me when Nvidia gain some perspective and fair pricing for what's offered (and no, RT and DLSS was never worth many hundreds more) or AMD release UDNA or whatever.
No, I don't like that the future looks like the only option to maintain 3440x1440 and 4K perf is Nvidia only with a significant lean on frame gen to get there. But for that I don't blame AMD at all.
The 3080 is just a bit slower than I'd like for Spider-Man with everything on (and probably a bit worse for Spider-Man 2 coming tomorrow). That plus the 10GB VRAM and I wouldn't mind replacing it.
But yeah for most games I play I'm hitting my FPS limiter with the 3080 which is why I could probably wait another year for the Super correction and maybe 2 for a new node generation (and hopefully AI being calmed down).
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Nvidia will lower prices too, leaving AMD with no profit at all.
brucek
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Maybe there will be some day one sales at those prices, but I expect the overall market for 5080 performance at $1,900 is limited, and even more so after subtracting those who already own a 4090 (or even one of the almost as fast cards from a tier/generation down.)
The pursuit of infinitely increasing profits meets the cold uncaring brick wall of physical reality.
Burty117
Posts: 5,550 +4,388
Remember everyone, the 5070 is just as fast as a 4090…
Mr Majestyk
Posts: 2,420 +2,251
I was laughed at by one clown on this site that claimed 5080 would easily match or suprass 4090. Sucks to be you now champ.
Basically after 2 years this is the equivalent of a flagship phone upgrade, ie worthless.
All that extra bandwidth gone to waste and a lame 16GB which is now a mid-tier spec. 5080 should have been 320 bit bus, 20GB and 5080 TI should be on cut down GB202 with ~13K CUDA cores and 24GB
Basically after 2 years this is the equivalent of a flagship phone upgrade, ie worthless.
All that extra bandwidth gone to waste and a lame 16GB which is now a mid-tier spec. 5080 should have been 320 bit bus, 20GB and 5080 TI should be on cut down GB202 with ~13K CUDA cores and 24GB
I think it’s very evident that Nvidia and Amd have lost interest in us. If they were keeping a toe hold in the market, maybe as insurance against a collapse of their other interests, it would surely look like this.
For this model specifically, there’s no generational uplift worth talking about. There also isn’t much stock in the stores apparently. The hardware is tailored toward machine learning workload, and that’s precisely the tricks that they’re marketing.
I tried DLSS 4 last night. The upscaling is an improvement, but framegen is seriously problematic on anything less than a 4090. If your base rate isn’t comfortably over 60+ it feels awful. Loads of latency. This is not a PC gaming experience as you know it. The 4080-5080 card class don’t have the raster horsepower to drive those base rates at 4k in the latest titles without a lot of other compromises, and the feature itself incurs a base rate cost. Framegen is no bigger a feature than it was 2 years ago - it’s a nice to have at best for a very niche audience.
Im certain Nvidia knows this, unless they’ve completely fallen out of touch with gaming, but in truth I don’t think they really care anymore. They’re 100% AI guys now, and that’s what we’re going to get.
For this model specifically, there’s no generational uplift worth talking about. There also isn’t much stock in the stores apparently. The hardware is tailored toward machine learning workload, and that’s precisely the tricks that they’re marketing.
I tried DLSS 4 last night. The upscaling is an improvement, but framegen is seriously problematic on anything less than a 4090. If your base rate isn’t comfortably over 60+ it feels awful. Loads of latency. This is not a PC gaming experience as you know it. The 4080-5080 card class don’t have the raster horsepower to drive those base rates at 4k in the latest titles without a lot of other compromises, and the feature itself incurs a base rate cost. Framegen is no bigger a feature than it was 2 years ago - it’s a nice to have at best for a very niche audience.
Im certain Nvidia knows this, unless they’ve completely fallen out of touch with gaming, but in truth I don’t think they really care anymore. They’re 100% AI guys now, and that’s what we’re going to get.
Dayam this is disappointing.
Even a 4080 would be a nice upgrade to my 3080 12GB model (about a 50% uplift on average at 1440p) but with the 5080 barely outpacing it, I now believe there will be very few price cuts for the outgoing 4080. It's used value may have even risen at this point, if 5080 stock is scarce or price gouging commences.
Even a 4080 would be a nice upgrade to my 3080 12GB model (about a 50% uplift on average at 1440p) but with the 5080 barely outpacing it, I now believe there will be very few price cuts for the outgoing 4080. It's used value may have even risen at this point, if 5080 stock is scarce or price gouging commences.
grvalderrama
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Damn, I really,really hope the 5070 does it better compared with last gen. I have a 6800xt and looking forward to upgrade to the 5070 since it would have "4090-like performance". Now I will have to wait for the 9070xt reviews.
Ohnooze
Posts: 815 +1,548
It won't last. Once the hype dies down these won't be hard to find. Too many 4080 and 4090 owners are going to pass on this gen of cards.
AMD prepared to lunch RX9070 soon but after they knowing that RTX5080/5070 wasnt faster by that much they delayed it (postpone) the launch to march
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