Nvidia is pulling the plug on the controversial GeForce Partner Program

[hahahanoobs]

This isn't quite it but it is when they combined with KFA2 and started selling cards it Europe.

https://www.bit-tech.net/news/tech/nvidia-partners-galaxy-and-kfa2-merge-to-fo/1/

Finding an older source will take a bit of digging.

I've been looking too, but if AMD is not involved in the Asrock "ban", they may want to squash the rumours and fast.

 

[Evernessince]

I've been looking too, but if AMD is not involved in the Asrock "ban", they may want to squash the rumours and fast.

I'm pretty sure AMD is the one preventing ASRock from selling in Europe. ASRock is a brand new AMD partner and this is their first test drive. I'm sure it's only temporary (just like Galax) and will be lifted one ASRock either moves enough cards or proves themselves.

EDIT**

Just found this in Dutch

"The market position of AMD is relatively weak in Asia, several AMD-only video card brands are hardly active there, so that AMD can use an additional supplier in the relevant region. In Europe and the US this is less applicable, and the relationship with the existing AMD partners in these areas would also play a role."

 

[hahahanoobs]

I'm pretty sure AMD is the one preventing ASRock from selling in Europe. ASRock is a brand new AMD partner and this is their first test drive. I'm sure it's only temporary (just like Galax) and will be lifted one ASRock either moves enough cards or proves themselves.

It's possible, but according to one source:


"A reliable source gives the following explanation for the above situation: AMD’s market position in Asia is relatively weak, several AMD-only video card brands are hardly active there, making AMD an additional supplier in the region good use. In Europe and the US this is less applicable, and the relationship with the existing AMD partners in these areas would also play a role."
Hardware.info

It appears that AMD’s partners may have played a role in putting pressure on the company not to allow ASRock to enter the European market. Having to compete with another Radeon AIB partner in Europe would cut into their bread and butter. Asia on the other hand has seen very little penetration by exclusive Radeon AIBs, so there would be less competition between the various AIBs there and a lot of growth opportunity.

 

[hahahanoobs]

 

[bas416]

There is no doubt the same disgusting practice will pop up rebranded very soon... you just need a new name that is not attached to bad press (yet).

 

[Nobina]

Ignorant comment. I bet you're the person that claims everyday AMD will go out of business. Has history ever taught you two things in the tech industry? 1.) No one stay's number one forever. 2.) AMD always finds a way to survive.

It also takes another company to beat another. Whos beating Nvidia, oh wait no one.

now your talking out your a** as no said anything about anyone going out of business. AMD just dont do great cards, this is factual.

Last I checked, surviving aint winning.

Holy ****, it's like you didn't even read that comment.

 

[PerformanceV8]

Interesting how they pushed for this program when there is literally only ONE other competitor in the market, this whole program screams corrupt American tech giant, a total disgrace to society. I hope AMD can get pricing under control so I can get another one of their cards.

 

[merikafyeah]

I was reffering to what you think Intel has been doing to AMD for last decade.

It's time to become initiated!

I'm genuinely surprised so many people don't realize that Intel didn't get to where they are today through fair competition. Had Intel kept to doing business legally the CPU market today would likely be split closer to 50/50 between AMD and Intel. The fact that AMD could release CPUs which compete with Intel's best despite having a fraction of a fraction of Intel's R&D budget speaks volumes about how little innovation actually goes on at Intel. And they're still at it. Just recently with that "Ryzenfall" debacle all the evidence clearly points to Intel having paid CTS labs for what amounts to a smear campaign with an underlying plot to short AMD stock.

Intel will limit PCI-E lanes and charge for NVMe RAID just because they can. They don't care about their customers and frankly they don't care about technology either. Intel only cares about eliminating and hindering the competition. They are the biggest bully in the industry. People can buy Intel CPUs if they want, but if they actually praise Intel as a company they are simply ignorant.

 

[Shadowboxer]

A storm in a teacup. The GPP, yes does smell a bit on the outside was really more of a symptom of a problem we seem to have with Radeon than anything else. The GPP would never have been conceived if Radeon was strong and occupied a healthy market share.

I also struggle to see how modern Radeons can be considered the same class of product as GeForce cards when you consider the vast majority of buyers for Radeon appear to be miners, price inflation has now been around for more than 6 months and according to steam surveys usage of Radeon cards have fallen away quite savagely. On top of this driver updates to improve mining performance are par for the course for a Radeon product in 2018. Financially it makes very little sense to pay for a Radeon product if you are intending to use it to play 3D games.

I would be concerned about a lack of competition but I feel Intel will give Nvidia a harder time than AMD ever did. It might take a few years though and in the meantime I hope Nvidia don’t frustrate progress of new techs in that time. We need accessible 4K gaming hardware to take on these new consoles!

 

[Evernessince]

A storm in a teacup. The GPP, yes does smell a bit on the outside was really more of a symptom of a problem we seem to have with Radeon than anything else. The GPP would never have been conceived if Radeon was strong and occupied a healthy market share.

I also struggle to see how modern Radeons can be considered the same class of product as GeForce cards when you consider the vast majority of buyers for Radeon appear to be miners, price inflation has now been around for more than 6 months and according to steam surveys usage of Radeon cards have fallen away quite savagely. On top of this driver updates to improve mining performance are par for the course for a Radeon product in 2018. Financially it makes very little sense to pay for a Radeon product if you are intending to use it to play 3D games.

I would be concerned about a lack of competition but I feel Intel will give Nvidia a harder time than AMD ever did. It might take a few years though and in the meantime I hope Nvidia don’t frustrate progress of new techs in that time. We need accessible 4K gaming hardware to take on these new consoles!

Well first, your "The GPP would never have been conceived if Radeon was strong" comment is complete non-sense. Intel did something very similar to AMD precisely when AMD was at it's strongest. You seem to forget that things like the GPP and Intel's "Rebate" program block competition, regardless of how good the competitor's product is so it doesn't matter how good their product is.


"I also struggle to see how modern Radeons can be considered the same class of product as GeForce cards when you consider the vast majority of buyers for Radeon appear to be miners"

This is blatantly false, as only 10% of AMD's revenue comes from Crypto and that's notwithstanding short term trends.


"Financially it makes very little sense to pay for a Radeon product if you are intending to use it to play 3D games."

Go read recent GPU reviews. It's clear from this statement you haven't done so, maybe not one in your lifetime.


"I would be concerned about a lack of competition but I feel Intel will give Nvidia a harder time than AMD ever did. It might take a few years though and in the meantime I hope Nvidia don’t frustrate progress of new techs in that time. We need accessible 4K gaming hardware to take on these new consoles!"

Um, hate to break it to your but console hardware is essentially PC hardware nowadays and 4K gaming is already possible with a 1080 Ti. Betting on Intel, who won't enter the market for a few years yet and don't have any prior dGPU series, is taking the long shot horse.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Well first, your "The GPP would never have been conceived if Radeon was strong" comment is complete non-sense. Intel did something very similar to AMD precisely when AMD was at it's strongest. You seem to forget that things like the GPP and Intel's "Rebate" program block competition, regardless of how good the competitor's product is so it doesn't matter how good their product is.


"I also struggle to see how modern Radeons can be considered the same class of product as GeForce cards when you consider the vast majority of buyers for Radeon appear to be miners"

This is blatantly false, as only 10% of AMD's revenue comes from Crypto and that's notwithstanding short term trends.


"Financially it makes very little sense to pay for a Radeon product if you are intending to use it to play 3D games."

Go read recent GPU reviews. It's clear from this statement you haven't done so, maybe not one in your lifetime.


"I would be concerned about a lack of competition but I feel Intel will give Nvidia a harder time than AMD ever did. It might take a few years though and in the meantime I hope Nvidia don’t frustrate progress of new techs in that time. We need accessible 4K gaming hardware to take on these new consoles!"

Um, hate to break it to your but console hardware is essentially PC hardware nowadays and 4K gaming is already possible with a 1080 Ti. Betting on Intel, who won't enter the market for a few years yet and don't have any prior dGPU series, is taking the long shot horse.

With all due respect I feel your comment is the one full of nonsense.

First of all can you clarify your source for stating that only 10% of AMDs revenue is from crypto currency miners?

I feel you are incorrect about the GPP, if Radeon was strong then partners would not willingly shun AMD for Nvidia. It would be like cutting one leg off to save the other. However right now it’s more akin to cutting off your finger in order to save your whole head.

You hate to break it to me that consoles are the same as PC’s? I am aware of this, of course they do not run the same software which is the key difference. The hardware is quite bespoke. They use similar architecture but to describe them as the same is inaccurate. And yes a 1080ti is capable at 4K gaming but for more than the cost of a whole console. Please note that I stated “accessible” 4K gaming. I might be able to afford a 1080ti but most don’t or won’t.

You appear to be quite misinformed regarding he price and performance of AMD graphics cards. Do some research and you will find that AMD cards sell for quite significantly higher than their equivalent Nvidia cards. This means that you pay more and often get less performance if you opt for AMD. How you are unaware of this I do not know, have you been living under a rock mate? An example is that today I cannot find a Vega 64 anywhere for less than the price of a 1080ti and reviews and benchmarks demonstrate that the 1080ti is around 25% faster. This price inflation has occurred since before Christmas 2017.

I have double checked and all my facts are accurate including about the prices of Radeon GPUs vs Nvidia GPUs. If I am wrong about suggesting users are better off on Nvidia at current pricing then please explain to me why someone is better off paying for Vega over a 1080ti if they cost the same?

Intel have announced they will be entering the GPU market. It’s a pretty safe bet to say they will be there. I agree that betting on them challenging Nvidia is a long shot. But hey, more competitors is good for the consumer and they can’t do much worse than AMD are right now.

 

[Evernessince]

With all due respect I feel your comment is the one full of nonsense.

First of all can you clarify your source for stating that only 10% of AMDs revenue is from crypto currency miners?

I feel you are incorrect about the GPP, if Radeon was strong then partners would not willingly shun AMD for Nvidia. It would be like cutting one leg off to save the other. However right now it’s more akin to cutting off your finger in order to save your whole head.

You hate to break it to me that consoles are the same as PC’s? I am aware of this, of course they do not run the same software which is the key difference. The hardware is quite bespoke. They use similar architecture but to describe them as the same is inaccurate. And yes a 1080ti is capable at 4K gaming but for more than the cost of a whole console. Please note that I stated “accessible” 4K gaming. I might be able to afford a 1080ti but most don’t or won’t.

You appear to be quite misinformed regarding he price and performance of AMD graphics cards. Do some research and you will find that AMD cards sell for quite significantly higher than their equivalent Nvidia cards. This means that you pay more and often get less performance if you opt for AMD. How you are unaware of this I do not know, have you been living under a rock mate? An example is that today I cannot find a Vega 64 anywhere for less than the price of a 1080ti and reviews and benchmarks demonstrate that the 1080ti is around 25% faster. This price inflation has occurred since before Christmas 2017.

I have double checked and all my facts are accurate including about the prices of Radeon GPUs vs Nvidia GPUs. If I am wrong about suggesting users are better off on Nvidia at current pricing then please explain to me why someone is better off paying for Vega over a 1080ti if they cost the same?

Intel have announced they will be entering the GPU market. It’s a pretty safe bet to say they will be there. I agree that betting on them challenging Nvidia is a long shot. But hey, more competitors is good for the consumer and they can’t do much worse than AMD are right now.

https://www.ccn.com/amd-ceo-blockchain-is-here-to-stay/


"I feel you are incorrect about the GPP, if Radeon was strong then partners would not willingly shun AMD for Nvidia. It would be like cutting one leg off to save the other. However right now it’s more akin to cutting off your finger in order to save your whole head."

And yet Dell and HP did just that when Intel came up with it's Rebate program.


"You hate to break it to me that consoles are the same as PC’s? I am aware of this, of course they do not run the same software which is the key difference. The hardware is quite bespoke. They use similar architecture but to describe them as the same is inaccurate."

Please re-read my statement: "Um, hate to break it to your but console hardware is essentially PC hardware". I never said anything about the software.


"And yes a 1080ti is capable at 4K gaming but for more than the cost of a whole console. Please note that I stated “accessible” 4K gaming. I might be able to afford a 1080ti but most don’t or won’t."

You can argue the what the platitudes of "accessible" are but if you wanted 4K "accessible", you would merely wait for a console that does it. PC gaming in and of itself has a barrier to entry in the cost of the entire rig. If you wanted it for only PC, then you are going to be waiting a long time, at least 2 generations.

"You appear to be quite misinformed regarding he price and performance of AMD graphics cards. Do some research and you will find that AMD cards sell for quite significantly higher than their equivalent Nvidia cards."

False

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...Description=rx+580&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...ESTMATCH&Description=gtx+1060&N=-1&isNodeId=1

"I have double checked and all my facts are accurate including about the prices of Radeon GPUs vs Nvidia GPUs. If I am wrong about suggesting users are better off on Nvidia at current pricing then please explain to me why someone is better off paying for Vega over a 1080ti if they cost the same?"

Tell me, how exactly does the cost of one card constitute the market? It doesn't. Just because one AMD card has a high price doesn't make the lower models not worth it. It would have also been better if you had provided context to your statement, in that the MSRP of Radeon cards hasn't changed. Both AMD AND Nvidia cards are overpriced right now, it doesn't make much sense to buy a 1080 Ti right now at 1.1 grand either but no, you had to specifically go out of your way and take a dump on AMD. Context is important.

"Intel have announced they will be entering the GPU market. It’s a pretty safe bet to say they will be there. I agree that betting on them challenging Nvidia is a long shot. But hey, more competitors is good for the consumer and they can’t do much worse than AMD are right now."

Hm, I don't know about that. Intel's last crack at dGPU was a complete flop. They picked up Raja from AMD and all he's managed to do is waste die space on every AMD VEGA GPU with a HBCC that does nothing for gaming. But hey it's good at mining and many that's what the Intel GPU will be good at too. I see a bigger problem in how is Intel going to make a GPU without infringing on Nvidia or AMD patents.

 

[Shadowboxer]

https://www.ccn.com/amd-ceo-blockchain-is-here-to-stay/


"I feel you are incorrect about the GPP, if Radeon was strong then partners would not willingly shun AMD for Nvidia. It would be like cutting one leg off to save the other. However right now it’s more akin to cutting off your finger in order to save your whole head."

And yet Dell and HP did just that when Intel came up with it's Rebate program.


"You hate to break it to me that consoles are the same as PC’s? I am aware of this, of course they do not run the same software which is the key difference. The hardware is quite bespoke. They use similar architecture but to describe them as the same is inaccurate."

Please re-read my statement: "Um, hate to break it to your but console hardware is essentially PC hardware". I never said anything about the software.


"And yes a 1080ti is capable at 4K gaming but for more than the cost of a whole console. Please note that I stated “accessible” 4K gaming. I might be able to afford a 1080ti but most don’t or won’t."

You can argue the what the platitudes of "accessible" are but if you wanted 4K "accessible", you would merely wait for a console that does it. PC gaming in and of itself has a barrier to entry in the cost of the entire rig. If you wanted it for only PC, then you are going to be waiting a long time, at least 2 generations.

"You appear to be quite misinformed regarding he price and performance of AMD graphics cards. Do some research and you will find that AMD cards sell for quite significantly higher than their equivalent Nvidia cards."

False

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...Description=rx+580&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...ESTMATCH&Description=gtx+1060&N=-1&isNodeId=1

"I have double checked and all my facts are accurate including about the prices of Radeon GPUs vs Nvidia GPUs. If I am wrong about suggesting users are better off on Nvidia at current pricing then please explain to me why someone is better off paying for Vega over a 1080ti if they cost the same?"

Tell me, how exactly does the cost of one card constitute the market? It doesn't. Just because one AMD card has a high price doesn't make the lower models not worth it. It would have also been better if you had provided context to your statement, in that the MSRP of Radeon cards hasn't changed. Both AMD AND Nvidia cards are overpriced right now, it doesn't make much sense to buy a 1080 Ti right now at 1.1 grand either but no, you had to specifically go out of your way and take a dump on AMD. Context is important.

"Intel have announced they will be entering the GPU market. It’s a pretty safe bet to say they will be there. I agree that betting on them challenging Nvidia is a long shot. But hey, more competitors is good for the consumer and they can’t do much worse than AMD are right now."

Hm, I don't know about that. Intel's last crack at dGPU was a complete flop. They picked up Raja from AMD and all he's managed to do is waste die space on every AMD VEGA GPU with a HBCC that does nothing for gaming. But hey it's good at mining and many that's what the Intel GPU will be good at too. I see a bigger problem in how is Intel going to make a GPU without infringing on Nvidia or AMD patents.

With all due respect I still think you’re posting nonsense! First of all the link you posted shows the headline of 10% boost in profits but further down the article you can easily read that sales revenue for computing and graphics are up 95%! It is only profits that are up 10% from crypto that is stated in the headline and they haven’t shown why they assume this. Profits are not the same as revenue. I would say at this point, given the poor availability and high prices combined with the decline of Radeons presence on online game hardware surveys it’s not unreasonable to state that the drive for demand for higher tier Radeon products appears to be mostly from miners. AMD themselves also appear to be very pleased with cryptomiming:

https://cryptodaily.co.uk/2018/04/take-look-profits-amd-made-mining-already/

Secondly that link has RX580s in stock in the USA. They also cost more than the 1060s posted by about 20 dollars, this wouldn’t mean much but most reviews say that the 1060 edges the 580 although a minority say it’s the other way around. But I live in the UK and prices have not come down for AMD as of yet. Fair enough if you live in the states but even then it’s only the 580 that seems to have seen its price come down, Vega is still priced high.

We will have to agree to disagree. To me and to anyone who I feel has a shred of common sense, paying even just slightly more for an equivalent AMD GPU makes it the lesser value item meaning I still feel that it makes more financial sense to purchase Nvidia if you are 3D gaming right now.

At no point have I stated that one GPU constitutes an entire market. Please don’t make these assumptions. However it is representative, right now a Vega 56 costs a lot more ($150-$200) than a 1070ti and the 1070ti performs around the same or faster, uses less power and runs cooler, not to mention far superior availability for third party cards. Ironically in the upper tier cards the 580 vs 1060 seems to be the only comparison that is competitive, so why should that constitute a market as you ask?

As for your Intel comparison, why should we be drawing parralels of what Intel did over a decade ago to what Nvidia might do now? What facts do you have to qualify this link? It does amuse me, Dell rejected the GPP, and your culprit you compare them too - Intel threatened a lawsuit against Nvidia
so your prediction has already rather amusingly been proven incorrect.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/wccf...p-dell-say-no-intel-mulling-legal-action/amp/

By accessible 4K PC gaming I mean the ability to play PC games at 4K. Console gaming at 4K is not a substitute for this, perhaps you are unaware of the differences between gamers but that’s a topic for a different day, suffice to say, giving up a keyboard and mouse alone would not translate to the same experience. I do believe accessible 4K gaming is a subjective term, it becomes more accessible with every new performance card release or price drop. So really what I’m hoping for is 1080ti performance at lower prices and we will almost certainly see that in a few months with the next Nvidia generation. Although I do think that it might take AMD another two product cycles until they reach the same capability/accessibility. However in the past AMD have often offered better accessibility so if Radeon gets back on track that could hopefully make a return.

 

[Evernessince]

With all due respect I still think you’re posting nonsense! First of all the link you posted shows the headline of 10% boost in profits but further down the article you can easily read that sales revenue for computing and graphics are up 95%! It is only profits that are up 10% from crypto that is stated in the headline and they haven’t shown why they assume this. Profits are not the same as revenue. I would say at this point, given the poor availability and high prices combined with the decline of Radeons presence on online game hardware surveys it’s not unreasonable to state that the drive for demand for higher tier Radeon products appears to be mostly from miners. AMD themselves also appear to be very pleased with cryptomiming:

https://cryptodaily.co.uk/2018/04/take-look-profits-amd-made-mining-already/

Secondly that link has RX580s in stock in the USA. They also cost more than the 1060s posted by about 20 dollars, this wouldn’t mean much but most reviews say that the 1060 edges the 580 although a minority say it’s the other way around. But I live in the UK and prices have not come down for AMD as of yet. Fair enough if you live in the states but even then it’s only the 580 that seems to have seen its price come down, Vega is still priced high.

We will have to agree to disagree. To me and to anyone who I feel has a shred of common sense, paying even just slightly more for an equivalent AMD GPU makes it the lesser value item meaning I still feel that it makes more financial sense to purchase Nvidia if you are 3D gaming right now.

At no point have I stated that one GPU constitutes an entire market. Please don’t make these assumptions. However it is representative, right now a Vega 56 costs a lot more ($150-$200) than a 1070ti and the 1070ti performs around the same or faster, uses less power and runs cooler, not to mention far superior availability for third party cards. Ironically in the upper tier cards the 580 vs 1060 seems to be the only comparison that is competitive, so why should that constitute a market as you ask?

As for your Intel comparison, why should we be drawing parralels of what Intel did over a decade ago to what Nvidia might do now? What facts do you have to qualify this link? It does amuse me, Dell rejected the GPP, and your culprit you compare them too - Intel threatened a lawsuit against Nvidia
so your prediction has already rather amusingly been proven incorrect.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/wccf...p-dell-say-no-intel-mulling-legal-action/amp/

By accessible 4K PC gaming I mean the ability to play PC games at 4K. Console gaming at 4K is not a substitute for this, perhaps you are unaware of the differences between gamers but that’s a topic for a different day, suffice to say, giving up a keyboard and mouse alone would not translate to the same experience. I do believe accessible 4K gaming is a subjective term, it becomes more accessible with every new performance card release or price drop. So really what I’m hoping for is 1080ti performance at lower prices and we will almost certainly see that in a few months with the next Nvidia generation. Although I do think that it might take AMD another two product cycles until they reach the same capability/accessibility. However in the past AMD have often offered better accessibility so if Radeon gets back on track that could hopefully make a return.

If you had all due respect, you would actually read the article I linked. This is in big bold letters

"The strength in Radeon products was driven by both gaming and blockchain demand. We believe blockchain was approximately 10% of AMD revenue in Q1 2018"

Second, your observation that RX580s are $20 more expensive is likely due to the fact that you are counting 8GB versions of the card into the equation and 3GB GTX 1060s, which are actually gimped performance wise compared to their 6GB version. Both 4GB and 8GB versions of the RX580 has the full amount of shaders/cores.


"most reviews say that the 1060 edges the 580 although a minority say it’s the other way around"

No, this is what I call confirmation bias. With you it's always the Nvidia card that gets the slight edge, even if reviews show the cards are mostly within margin of error in most games. You lack objective thinking and just jump on any little thing, no matter if the accuracy resolution of current benchmarks can accommodate it or not. Just like your "oh but the GTX 1060 is $20 cheaper" yet you provide not a shred of evidence. This aside from the fact that you are stating absolutes based on daily cross sections of GPU pricing. Once again, context is important and something you have ignored to push points abstract from it.


"Fair enough if you live in the states but even then it’s only the 580 that seems to have seen its price come down, Vega is still priced high."

And the 570, 560, and 550. But I guess that doesn't work for your cherry-picking does it?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...Description=rx+560&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=rx 550&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=60

Prices are still slightly inflated (depending on the card) for both Nvidia and AMD but they have come a long way down.


"We will have to agree to disagree. To me and to anyone who I feel has a shred of common sense, paying even just slightly more for an equivalent AMD GPU makes it the lesser value item meaning I still feel that it makes more financial sense to purchase Nvidia if you are 3D gaming right now."

You've restated this multiple times over, we get it. You hate AMD and love Nvidia. It doesn't add any links, sources, or facts, and I definitely don't need more of your conjecture. It's a good thing what you feel and fact aren't one and the same.


"At no point have I stated that one GPU constitutes an entire market. Please don’t make these assumptions."

Oh really?

"I have double checked and all my facts are accurate including about the prices of Radeon GPUs vs Nvidia GPUs. If I am wrong about suggesting users are better off on Nvidia at current pricing then please explain to me why someone is better off paying for Vega over a 1080ti if they cost the same?"

You specifically used only the RX Vega as the basis for the market for all AMD cards. It's ironic too, you "double checked your facts" yet you've already backed off your position that all AMD cards are worthless. Heck you even go on to contradict your own point in the same paragraph

"However it is representative, right now a Vega 56 costs a lot more ($150-$200) than a 1070ti and the 1070ti performs around the same or faster"

You're essentially "Oh that's not but I said but really yeah it's true!". It's hilarious.

No, the only thing the RX Vega pricing is representative of is Crypto-currency demand. This is a capitalist economy after all and people will pay what their willing to for a product. If I apply your logic, the Titan V pricing is representative of future volta pricing that will be 2.5 times the previous generation, which of course is as a ridiculous assertion as yours. Stop trying to read the tea leaves, you aren't a fortune teller.

"Ironically in the upper tier cards the 580 vs 1060 seems to be the only comparison that is competitive, so why should that constitute a market as you ask?"

Lol, I never said that. You can take the RX 570 and 560 price to performance as well. Hell why don't you take the GTX 1030 vs the Ryzen 2400G, where you don't even need to buy a graphics card at all because your APU have equivalent performance. and you save $40 and power. After all, these are all factors playing into the market.

"As for your Intel comparison, why should we be drawing parralels of what Intel did over a decade ago to what Nvidia might do now? What facts do you have to qualify this link? It does amuse me, Dell rejected the GPP, and your culprit you compare them too - Intel threatened a lawsuit against Nvidia
so your prediction has already rather amusingly been proven incorrect.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/wccf...p-dell-say-no-intel-mulling-legal-action/amp/"

lol, Dell's actions now have nothing to what they've done in the past. It's fact that Dell took a massive amount of money from Intel as part of Intel's rebate program. They were earning more through "rebates" then they were their own products. Citing WCCF tech as anything other than rumor is misleading at best, malicious or trolling at worst. WCCF is a tech rumor website. Even their "sources" are people making assumptions. It is literally "Psst! Jerry told me that bill told him that Intel is suing Nvidia". What's "assuming", as you would put it, is that you are here peddling such articles off as fact.

 

[Shadowboxer]

If you had all due respect, you would actually read the article I linked. This is in big bold letters

"The strength in Radeon products was driven by both gaming and blockchain demand. We believe blockchain was approximately 10% of AMD revenue in Q1 2018"

Second, your observation that RX580s are $20 more expensive is likely due to the fact that you are counting 8GB versions of the card into the equation and 3GB GTX 1060s, which are actually gimped performance wise compared to their 6GB version. Both 4GB and 8GB versions of the RX580 has the full amount of shaders/cores.


"most reviews say that the 1060 edges the 580 although a minority say it’s the other way around"

No, this is what I call confirmation bias. With you it's always the Nvidia card that gets the slight edge, even if reviews show the cards are mostly within margin of error in most games. You lack objective thinking and just jump on any little thing, no matter if the accuracy resolution of current benchmarks can accommodate it or not. Just like your "oh but the GTX 1060 is $20 cheaper" yet you provide not a shred of evidence. This aside from the fact that you are stating absolutes based on daily cross sections of GPU pricing. Once again, context is important and something you have ignored to push points abstract from it.


"Fair enough if you live in the states but even then it’s only the 580 that seems to have seen its price come down, Vega is still priced high."

And the 570, 560, and 550. But I guess that doesn't work for your cherry-picking does it?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...Description=rx+560&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=rx 550&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=60

Prices are still slightly inflated (depending on the card) for both Nvidia and AMD but they have come a long way down.


"We will have to agree to disagree. To me and to anyone who I feel has a shred of common sense, paying even just slightly more for an equivalent AMD GPU makes it the lesser value item meaning I still feel that it makes more financial sense to purchase Nvidia if you are 3D gaming right now."

You've restated this multiple times over, we get it. You hate AMD and love Nvidia. It doesn't add any links, sources, or facts, and I definitely don't need more of your conjecture. It's a good thing what you feel and fact aren't one and the same.


"At no point have I stated that one GPU constitutes an entire market. Please don’t make these assumptions."

Oh really?

"I have double checked and all my facts are accurate including about the prices of Radeon GPUs vs Nvidia GPUs. If I am wrong about suggesting users are better off on Nvidia at current pricing then please explain to me why someone is better off paying for Vega over a 1080ti if they cost the same?"

You specifically used only the RX Vega as the basis for the market for all AMD cards. It's ironic too, you "double checked your facts" yet you've already backed off your position that all AMD cards are worthless. Heck you even go on to contradict your own point in the same paragraph

"However it is representative, right now a Vega 56 costs a lot more ($150-$200) than a 1070ti and the 1070ti performs around the same or faster"

You're essentially "Oh that's not but I said but really yeah it's true!". It's hilarious.

No, the only thing the RX Vega pricing is representative of is Crypto-currency demand. This is a capitalist economy after all and people will pay what their willing to for a product. If I apply your logic, the Titan V pricing is representative of future volta pricing that will be 2.5 times the previous generation, which of course is as a ridiculous assertion as yours. Stop trying to read the tea leaves, you aren't a fortune teller.

"Ironically in the upper tier cards the 580 vs 1060 seems to be the only comparison that is competitive, so why should that constitute a market as you ask?"

Lol, I never said that. You can take the RX 570 and 560 price to performance as well. Hell why don't you take the GTX 1030 vs the Ryzen 2400G, where you don't even need to buy a graphics card at all because your APU have equivalent performance. and you save $40 and power. After all, these are all factors playing into the market.

"As for your Intel comparison, why should we be drawing parralels of what Intel did over a decade ago to what Nvidia might do now? What facts do you have to qualify this link? It does amuse me, Dell rejected the GPP, and your culprit you compare them too - Intel threatened a lawsuit against Nvidia
so your prediction has already rather amusingly been proven incorrect.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/wccf...p-dell-say-no-intel-mulling-legal-action/amp/"

lol, Dell's actions now have nothing to what they've done in the past. It's fact that Dell took a massive amount of money from Intel as part of Intel's rebate program. They were earning more through "rebates" then they were their own products. Citing WCCF tech as anything other than rumor is misleading at best, malicious or trolling at worst. WCCF is a tech rumor website. Even their "sources" are people making assumptions. It is literally "Psst! Jerry told me that bill told him that Intel is suing Nvidia". What's "assuming", as you would put it, is that you are here peddling such articles off as fact.

With all due respect mate, I really dont think you know what you are talking about. I feel you have been quite badly indoctrinated. You seem to be desperately using wildly innacurate assumptions to create strawman arguments constantly. No one with a shred of sense is buying Radeon products today at the prices they are, you made some strawman point about crypto mining inflating prices and it not being indicative of future pricing, of course I was talking about todays prices - this is a good example of what I mean, why on earth are you talking about future prices - dont actually answer that, im done with you. Im not looking to get into an argument with someonw who doesnt use facts and reason. Lets agree to disagree and be our merry way shall we? P.S. ive "ignored" you for the above reasons.

All thes best pal, I do hope you eventually get a handle on all this PC stuff .

 

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With all due respect mate, I really dont think you know what you are talking about. I feel you have been quite badly indoctrinated. You seem to be desperately using wildly innacurate assumptions to create strawman arguments constantly. No one with a shred of sense is buying Radeon products today at the prices they are, you made some strawman point about crypto mining inflating prices and it not being indicative of future pricing, of course I was talking about todays prices - this is a good example of what I mean, why on earth are you talking about future prices - dont actually answer that, im done with you. Im not looking to get into an argument with someonw who doesnt use facts and reason. Lets agree to disagree and be our merry way shall we? P.S. ive "ignored" you for the above reasons.

All thes best pal, I do hope you eventually get a handle on all this PC stuff .

It took you two week to fail to even reply on topic?

This is the comment where you make personal attacks because you know you can't retort in a meaningful way, because you lost this argument over two weeks ago.