Nvidia's RTX 3090 may have outsold the entire Radeon RX 6000 series combined

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Lionvibez

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There are over 2.69 billion active gamers world wide.
steam only has 62 million active users daily that is not even 2%
How can you calculate world wide stats if it only targets nvidia hot spot locations.
same with AMD none of these numbers are true for the world but only locations selected by them to give them the best results.

This is why I said people trying to use the steam survey to represent the whole market are doing it wrong. And I've been saying this for years way before this report.
 

Shadowboxer

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Is anyone surprised? Radeon is the biggest con in the industry at this point. I pity anyone stupid enough to buy Radeon with its god awful driver support and generally lacklustre feature set. AMD really are driving the brand into the ground.
 

NightAntilli

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I also wonder since when consumers have started identifying their own success by how much profit a company they bought products from has... That is quite a shallow and poor mindset.

This seems to be extremely prevalent among gamers for some reason... I don't see anyone that bought a Toyota bragging about how Toyota outsold Hyundai or whatever. But among gamers? nVidia outselling AMD produces a whole kerfuffle. Same for Intel vs AMD, Xbox vs Playstation, PC vs Consoles, Nintendo vs everything else... I really don't get it.
 

Shadowboxer

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Ah consoles, part of the reason why we have overpriced RDNA2.
Consoles are what RDNA2 is for. AMD never intended to mass produce the RX6000 series as they have limited capacity with TSMC and they make far more money off of the Ryzen 5000 lineup.

RX6000 was designed to give reviewers something to review, to keep the Radeon mindshare and to give the fanboys benchmarks to swoon over. Most people will never get an actual card.
 

Lionvibez

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If you think a guy saying nonsense like there are 2.7 billion PC gamers (1/3 of the world population) is more correct than Steam survey, then I doubt you have any credibility.
The numbers speak for themselves its doesn't matter to me what you think of my credibility.
 

NightAntilli

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If you think a guy saying nonsense like there are 2.7 billion PC gamers (1/3 of the world population) is more correct than Steam survey, then I doubt you have any credibility.
Not exact.... But...;


That is a year old.
 

Lionvibez

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Youre claiming every 2.4th person on this planet is an active pc gamer lmao. so, no that doesn’t have any credibility...
I didn't claim anything nv fanboy look who posted that originally. I agreed with his post because I think he is correct.

Dude you are annoying, I already knew what you were gonna post before you posted it very predictable.
 

NeoMorpheus

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Now tell me which Radeon card you own.
Man, I can believe that I am feeding a tr0ll, but anyways, personally, I got a 6900XT at MSRP.

HardReset is right. nVidia fans are generally more interested in benchmarks than playing their games.
You forgot posting photos of their build to get fake internet points and the excuse to recite the same words written by the nvidia marketing team "mAh RT and DLSS yo!".


Just imagine number of downvote bots that would appear...
I dont agree with the downvote options to be honest, since as you said, it will be abused. Perfect example, go to r/AMD and dare saying that you like any AMD gpu and see how the nv1diots will bury your comment. Yes, you read that right, on what is supposed to be the main AMD sub.

About the Steam survey, funny how this seems to continue being an issue:

 
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Eldritch

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Fact: TSMC is a con job. See the story above for a reference.

Ban TSMC from global trade ASAP and we'll get sensible tech prices as soon as production is up and running elsewhere.

I am not sure what you are implying here. TSMC is manufacturing ps5 or radeon or whatever but how does it make that a 'con job'. Did they breach agreements they had with AMD? What was it they did that you are saying that they should be 'banned from global trade'?
 

NeoMorpheus

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Yeah nobody really wants AMD right now.
I wouldnt say nobody, but I will add, we are in living on some very strange times, where people have money, but no brains or their own personality, so they blindly follow corporations and celebrities to fill that void.

Those people are perfect targets for the hype created by the marketing teams.

One example of why nvidia has so many drones: "RT and DLSS are awesome yo!"

Fine, then lets ask those drones, "how many of the games that YOU are currently playing are showing any real benefit of having that?"

Answer is either bulls... (I play them all) or move the goalpost somewhere else.

I have stated multiple times why I refuse to give nvidia or intel a penny, but those reasons are simply above the understanding of today's empty walking shells that have to blindly support the mentioned corporations.
 
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Xex360

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The 3090 was always available and in the beginning at MSRP, while RDNA2 wasn't available at all and now it's available but overpriced like everything else.
AMD IMHO missed an opportunity, and wasted silicon on the useless Series X and PS5 instead of Zen3 and RDNA2.
 

Cycloid Torus

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All this high-end GPU stuff is just icing on someone's cake, but where are the low end game cards? A 128bit 6 GB for ~$100 USD? A 192bit 8GB for <$190? Will Intel steal the low end?
 

Lionvibez

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All this high-end GPU stuff is just icing on someone's cake, but where are the low end game cards? A 128bit 6 GB for ~$100 USD? A 192bit 8GB for <$190? Will Intel steal the low end?
The time for getting a decent discreet GPU in the $100-$200 passed many years ago. Not to sure if the vendor's even focus on that anymore they just leave that up to the apu offerings.
 

HardReset

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All this high-end GPU stuff is just icing on someone's cake, but where are the low end game cards? A 128bit 6 GB for ~$100 USD? A 192bit 8GB for <$190? Will Intel steal the low end?
Steal with what? First Intel needs something they could sell. Both Intel and AMD have new low end game cards coming. For obvious reasons, both announce high end cards first.
 

NeoMorpheus

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The time for getting a decent discreet GPU in the $100-$200 passed many years ago. Not to sure if the vendor's even focus on that anymore they just leave that up to the apu offerings.
hmm, you do have a good point.

I would say they left the market for APU and consoles, which makes sense.

Why compete with consoles when PC gaming already has established the fact that its simply more expensive?

It is smart to simply target a performance envelope that is higher than consoles.
 
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Neatfeatguy

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Ego trip aside.

The part about AMD shelf being full is true. Could walk in right now and get whatever AMD card I wanted. But the 3080 Ti was definitely on the shelf and they still come. 60 Ti has been almost unseen compared to everything else.

Yeah nobody really wants AMD right now.

Not that no one wants AMD, they don't want to the pay higher prices.

If you went to a local Micro Center store, got in line early for any new possible GPU drops they got.....
By chance you'd see a 3060 Ti priced around $500-550.
Maybe some 3070 and 3070Ti cards priced between $700-800.
A 3080 around the $900-1000 range and Ti models in the $1200-1300 range.

Then you turn to the AMD shelf and see a ton of cards....
6700XT priced at $900-1000 (why pay this if the 3060Ti thru 3070 cards cost upwards of $400 less?)
6800 priced around $1100 (hard to come by, but usually priced around $1100 - so why pay this if a 3070Ti and 3080 models are cheaper?)
6800XT priced around $1300+ (a bit easier to find than the 6800, but why pay this price when the 3080 and 3080Ti models are cheaper or the same cost?)

Then you have the 3090 and 6900XT.
3090s are generally under $2K where as the 6900XT are almost always over $2k and upwards of $2500.

Now, I don't know if it is AMD that's screwing the retailers over with the high prices so the AIB have to sell things high.....or if it's the AIB manufacturers that are pulling the wool over the retailer's eyes and price gouging them. I find it hard to believe that AMD is selling their own model cards at MSRP at their online store when they become available, but AIB cards are selling for nearly 2x MSRP at retail locations.

Anyway, if I was a consumer and I saw the pretty, pretty pricing of Nvidia compared to AMD right now - I sure as helI wouldn't be spending a crap ton more money on an AMD card. I'd keep as much money as I can in my pocket and by a better priced Nvidia card any day.

I would have been happy to have picked up 6700XT from my local Micro Center if they were priced around the $480 MSRP and not the $900-1000 they're selling for.
 

NeoMorpheus

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Then you have the 3090 and 6900XT.
3090s are generally under $2K where as the 6900XT are almost always over $2k and upwards of $2500.
I saw the same thing at my local MC.

Given that and what they posted and then retracted, I would say that they are simply fueling the nvidia hype or worse, they are getting bribed by nvidia.

Honestly, nothing really surprises me anymore.
 

Neatfeatguy

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I saw the same thing at my local MC.

Given that and what they posted and then retracted, I would say that they are simply fueling the nvidia hype or worse, they are getting bribed by nvidia.

Honestly, nothing really surprises me anymore.
About a month back I actually posted on the Micro Center forums (they have a community forums that folks use and in-knowledge folks from MC post replies and such) asking when MicroCenter was going to lower the AMD GPU prices because it's laughable that MC is sitting on so many AMD cards and the prices are outrageous.

A couple hours after I posted I went back and saw a few dozen views had been marked on my post, but no one responded. A few hours later I checked back and my post had been removed. So, it wouldn't really surprise me that AMD is either getting the shaft by Micro Center and prices are super inflated or MC just doesn't give a rip because they figure a lot of people are dumb enough to overspend on AMD cards.

According to a member on TPU that runs a script to pull online MicroCenter stock of AMD and Nvidia GPUs, a couple days ago the MC store in Huston was reporting 30+ cards of the RTX 3060 Ti. They were all priced around $500 - within a few hours all those cards were sold.

At any give day of the week, the few dozen cards for Nvidia that happen to be in stock tend to come and go, all while the combined total of all the MC stores shows roughly 750+ AMD cards in stock. Mostly 6700XT and 6900XT, but with them horribly overpriced they just aren't really moving.
 

quadibloc

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And here I thought the reason was Nvidia's superior software support, as in my area a major computer store with online stock information has plenty of RX 6000 cards available, but only gets the Nvidia ones in now and then, and they sell out right away.
 

HardReset

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Makste

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Not that no one wants AMD, they don't want to the pay higher prices.

If you went to a local Micro Center store, got in line early for any new possible GPU drops they got.....
By chance you'd see a 3060 Ti priced around $500-550.
Maybe some 3070 and 3070Ti cards priced between $700-800.
A 3080 around the $900-1000 range and Ti models in the $1200-1300 range.

Then you turn to the AMD shelf and see a ton of cards....
6700XT priced at $900-1000 (why pay this if the 3060Ti thru 3070 cards cost upwards of $400 less?)
6800 priced around $1100 (hard to come by, but usually priced around $1100 - so why pay this if a 3070Ti and 3080 models are cheaper?)
6800XT priced around $1300+ (a bit easier to find than the 6800, but why pay this price when the 3080 and 3080Ti models are cheaper or the same cost?)

Then you have the 3090 and 6900XT.
3090s are generally under $2K where as the 6900XT are almost always over $2k and upwards of $2500.

Now, I don't know if it is AMD that's screwing the retailers over with the high prices so the AIB have to sell things high.....or if it's the AIB manufacturers that are pulling the wool over the retailer's eyes and price gouging them. I find it hard to believe that AMD is selling their own model cards at MSRP at their online store when they become available, but AIB cards are selling for nearly 2x MSRP at retail locations.

Anyway, if I was a consumer and I saw the pretty, pretty pricing of Nvidia compared to AMD right now - I sure as helI wouldn't be spending a crap ton more money on an AMD card. I'd keep as much money as I can in my pocket and by a better priced Nvidia card any day.

I would have been happy to have picked up 6700XT from my local Micro Center if they were priced around the $480 MSRP and not the $900-1000 they're selling for.

How can many people fail to see through this?
As a person who works in retail. It's clear that the stores are doing this. The AIBs very well know that AMD is more supply constrained as compared to Nvidia. And also that Nvidia has more mind share. So they do the more assured thing to maximise ROI, they purchase a few of the AMD cards every now and then (just to appease AMD and its fans) but hike the prices. And then they buy boat loads of Nvidia cards and price them reasonably, with the AMD cards as contrast. The result is a high turn over of nVidia cards, and thus faster generation of profit. When things settle down, they'll return the 6k card prices back to normal. It's just business acrobatics for them. This is the reason why AMD cards are at MSRP on the AMD website when they are available.
 
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