Nvidia's RTX 6060 probably won't arrive until 2029, will be slower than the PS6

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Rumor mill: Rumors had already suggested that the AI business and related memory shortages would significantly widen the traditional gap between generations of Nvidia graphics cards. Now, the latest information suggests the situation could be even worse for upcoming mainstream GPUs, which probably won't match the performance of next-generation consoles.

Prominent leaker Kepler_L2 recently suggested that Nvidia's next-generation mainstream graphics card, tentatively called the RTX 6060, could be delayed until as late as 2029. Memory supply shortages are the obvious cause.

DRAM and NAND supply constraints amid the AI data center buildout have already made currently available GPUs more expensive and harder to find. As some RTX 5090 listings march dangerously close to the $10,000 mark, Nvidia had to deny reports that it is discontinuing the flagship card.

Also see: Real Stagnation: Six Years of GeForce RTX 60 Class GPUs Tested

Meanwhile, the shortages may have already forced Nvidia to delay the previously rumored RTX 50 Super series, originally expected to debut in mid-2026. They might still arrive late this year or sometime next year to compete with a single high-end AMD RDNA 5 GPU.

The RTX 60 series is not expected until 2028, possibly extending the generational release gap to nearly four years, compared to the average gap of just over two years. A 2029 debut for the RTX 6060 would separate it from the 5060 by at least 3 years and 9 months. For comparison, the 5060 launched 4 years and 2 months after the 3060.

As for estimating the RTX 6060's relationship to the PlayStation 6, it's obviously too soon for precise predictions, but Kepler believes that Sony's upcoming console will launch sooner and with a performance advantage. The comparison roughly mirrors the relationships between prior PlayStation consoles and mainstream PC GPUs.

For example, the RTX 3060 launched about two months after the PlayStation 5, and the console's performance is comparable to that of slightly more powerful graphics cards, as per TechSpot's latest trivia question.

Assuming the 6060's performance gains follow the pattern suggested by our analysis of the last several years of mainstream GPUs, it might land somewhere near the 5060 Ti or 4070. Meanwhile, many have speculated that the PS6's 40 to 48 RDNA 5 compute units could bring it closer to the 5070 Ti.

However, price will be the main difference compared to 2020 and 2021. Kepler recently pegged the bill of materials for the PS6's memory and storage alone at $680, likely pushing the console's final price well past $1,000. It remains unclear how memory shortages will impact the RTX 6060's price. The 5060 launched with a $300 MSRP but now goes for around $470.

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I wouldn't really mind going from 2 year cycles to 4. This might sound silly, but I would be comfortable spending more on hardware if I knew it was going to be relevant for longer. I used to upgrade every cycle and sell my old card to a friend, but since COVID things have gotten weird. I ordered my 9070XT last week, but since my 1080ti I bought a 1050ti as mostly a diagnostic card, a 6700xt and a used 3070ti I got earlier this year.
 
Considering how awful the 5060 is, doesn't even come close to a 4070 in performance and can't out perform the 3070.
Then you have how awful the 4060 was, didn't come close to the 3070 in performance.
(I point this out because in all past generations the xx60 was always as good or better than the previous gen's xx70)

I'd venture to guess the 6060 won't even give us much more than the performance level of a 5060Ti and it'll be priced at $799.
 
Considering how awful the 5060 is, doesn't even come close to a 4070 in performance and can't out perform the 3070.
Then you have how awful the 4060 was, didn't come close to the 3070 in performance.
(I point this out because in all past generations the xx60 was always as good or better than the previous gen's xx70)

I'd venture to guess the 6060 won't even give us much more than the performance level of a 5060Ti and it'll be priced at $799.
With the way things are going the 6060 will be a physical licsense you plug into a PCIe slot that allows you to access cloud gaming
 
Invidious have been papering over the cracks in their GPU performance for years now with software fudges - some really good (upscaling) and some lame (framegen) - and then artificially gating them behind certain GPU generations. Under the hood after the stellar 1080s / 2080s / 3080s it's been massively underwhelming unless you look at the ludicrous 4090 and 5090.
 
Considering how awful the 5060 is, doesn't even come close to a 4070 in performance and can't out perform the 3070.
Then you have how awful the 4060 was, didn't come close to the 3070 in performance.
(I point this out because in all past generations the xx60 was always as good or better than the previous gen's xx70).

As time went by:
100% - rtx 2060
108% - rtx 2060 Super
116% - rtx 2070
126% - rtx 3060 (2060 + 26%)
132% - rtx 2070 Super
147% - rtx 4060 (3060 + 16%)
163% - rtx 3060 Ti
181% - rtx 5060 (4060 + 23%)
186% - rtx 3070
199% - rtx 3070 Ti
210% - rtx 5060 Ti 16GB
241% - rtx 4070
253% - rtx 4070 Super
268% - rtx 5070
271% - rtx 4070 Ti
296% - rtx 4070 Ti Super
346% - rtx 5070 Ti
351% - rtx 4080
396% - rtx 5080
459% - rtx 4090
602% - rtx 5090

I wonder where would the rtx 6060 fit in.
Or rather not. :scream:
 
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I always thought the 2022's 4090 will perform similar to a ps6 or ps6 pro. Now it seems it will be more like a ps6 pro. Hopefully gamers are well geared up for the storm. It's not like the signs for the sh!t show weren't there miles and miles away.
Imagine you bought a 4090 at $1500 or 4080 /super for around $800 just just to experience the same performance and pricing half decade or more later.
Reference pricing on outliered pricing.
 

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I always thought the 2022's 4090 will perform similar to a ps6 or ps6 pro. Now it seems it will be more like a ps6 pro. Hopefully gamers are well geared up for the storm. It's not like the signs for the sh!t show weren't there miles and miles away.
Imagine you bought a 4090 at $1500 or 4080 /super for around $800 just just to experience the same performance and pricing half decade or more later.
Reference pricing on outliered pricing.
Sony is going to have to get real Nintendo about their IP if they hope to compete in the coming market. By the time the PS6 is actually released it could easy cost $1500 and still be sold at a loss. The other trend I see is that Xbox seems to be buying up IP and making money off of games sales rather than having a hardware ecosystem. There absolutely were xbox exclusive games, but their business model was more "gives us $10 out of every game sale and you can release your game on our platform". Now, they seem to be trying to meld PC and xbox and I see them trying to make "xbox" a gaming platform similar to steam and turn it into subsription service.

Frankly, I see MS trying a few things and seeing which is most popular with gamers. I don't think they have even really decided what they're going to do yet and they're in an experimental phase. I am fairly certain that MS has always been a software company and if they can somehow "outsource" the expensive hardware to gamers while still making most of their money off of game sales(as has always been the case) they are going to go that route.
 
Four-year gap between generations. By the time it releases my current GPU will have survived a full presidential term, two OS upgrades, and a messy breakup with my case.
 
The 5060 launched at $300 and now goes for $450+. By the time the 6060 shows up we’ll be calling a $700 midrange card a deal and complaining about the VRAM.
 
I assume it'll probably still have 8GB of VRAM, maybe 10GB if the leather jacket man feels generous towards mere gaming consumers. Nvidia would probably charge at least $700 for it while claiming a 6060 would have "5080 performance" with whatever super duper DLSS and frame gen they'll also sell gamers on, that would also only be available for the 60 series.

And I wouldn't mind if GPU's were on a 4 year cycle, however GPU's would need to have sufficient VRAM, and there needs to be more than 10% uplift in raw performance over the previous generation. However it would also require AAA studios to optimize games instead of needing to run upscaling and AI frames to get decent FPS, especially in UE5 titles.
 
I assume it'll probably still have 8GB of VRAM, maybe 10GB if the leather jacket man feels generous towards mere gaming consumers. Nvidia would probably charge at least $700 for it while claiming a 6060 would have "5080 performance" with whatever super duper DLSS and frame gen they'll also sell gamers on, that would also only be available for the 60 series.

And I wouldn't mind if GPU's were on a 4 year cycle, however GPU's would need to have sufficient VRAM, and there needs to be more than 10% uplift in raw performance over the previous generation. However it would also require AAA studios to optimize games instead of needing to run upscaling and AI frames to get decent FPS, especially in UE5 titles.
We will likely be seeing some weird memory numbers as it looks like 3GB modules are going to become the norm instead of 2GB. They cost basically the same to produce. I definitely agree with you on havving sufficent amounts of VRAM if they cycles are going to last longer, but I also feel like optimization and not expecting everyone to have a $5000 gaming PC will become the normal for developers.

A slower upgrade cycle combined combined with sufficent amounts of VRAM would definitely make it worth while to spend more. I think lots of the shock that people experience from the 50 series was the absurb prices mixed with the sorry amounts of VRAM. For what I play, my 6700xt can play almost everything without ray tracing at around 90FPS in 4k. What I have noticed is that even in games without RT, playing at 4k with 12GB of VRAM is my bottleneck and no amount of framegen or DLSS is going to save me from that. So I am very much looking forward to getting my 9070XT that I grossly overpaid for, but I am confident it will buy me a few years. I also am looking forward to playing a 4k120 this winter. I think with the 5080 being the $2000 kick in the nuts it now is that we will see 16GB of VRAM be the ceiling for most developers in the next couple of years.
 
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