PC shipments continue freefall ahead of Windows 10's arrival

A decline in computer sales won't hurt the release of Windows 10, as people will be upgrading from 7/8/8.1 on their current machines. I have the Insider Preview version and have to say (with the exception of a few bugs that are sure to be fixed by launch day) it is fantastic. I don't know about you guys, but I've been going with the 'Every other OS' rule since XP, and it's still hitting the nail on the head. I never had to deal with Vista or 8, and I'm sure glad I didn't.
Why upgrade to Windows 10 from 7? (this isn't an attack Im curious on how your thinking as an end user, and to give you a different view and more insight to some PC history)

I have used them all, every windows OS, and have been on a Tandy running good ol ms-dos @ age 4, so I know all about Windows....and my job even required all of us use Technicians Preview on its release so we can get Microsoft Partnership deals for being testers of the OS. I straight up told Microsoft.... I haven't noticed anything "better" from a end user vantage point in regards to capabilities , usage or speed, I attribute that more to my SSD, and my Dedicated GPU...with Windows 10....if anything I find it more intrusive and cluttered. The every other OS rule is just a distorted way thinking (in my opinion, you need to unlearn what you have learned)Here is why...
People don't buy OS's, they buy new computers....Consumer reports validates this statement, they survey it.

I may get backlash saying this but I loved Vista, I truly saw NEW in terms of an OS
Vista was excellent it caught peoples attention 20mill in first month in sales just in licensing people thought they cloud do all this new stuff on their old PC...Vista was Microsoft first OS release that actually sold in huge numbers just as a stand alone product. Thats why people has so many issues with it...and what was that issue.really?
...WDDM issues...DirectX issues that's it expecting their old PC to do all these new things Vista Featured.

Video drivers that was it the root mainly desktop issues are huge for end users, everyone knows c+alt+del...Microsofts real error....they had never surveyed the market to learn, people don't buy Windows...they buy a PC so Vista sales was a shock to learn and see in OS sales.

Windows 7 is really just Vista with Crystal Aero (glass Aero). If you couldn't run Aero in Vista without crashing or bluescreens, it was pretty much was your indicator you hardware is dates and you need to go buy a new PC.

All the same time this is when the GPU's started to gain market ground, and PC games were growing in popularity. Hence why you see GPU makers now making computer devices.

A decline in PC sales WILL hurt Windows 10, because the only thing new about Windows 10 from 7 is ........wait for it.........the APP's Store...thats it....
Forget the new retro GUI, forget the start menu, forget Cortana (even the Siri fad died out quick)...Cortana will become as annoying as the old popup paperclip office assistant in my opinion (but I could be wrong here you never know)
but....whats new, really look, really ask...really test...
Whats really "new" to warrant buying this product or "upgrading"
NOTHING...thats why its FREE

The Windows App store.. is the only thing "new" (which brings 1 store to you because steam is spanking Microsoft right now, they want to spank back bring Xbox to PC, same sh*t different toliet...
but really...the store. nothing else thats it thats whats new....

Windows needs you to migrate their counting on it. All their stakes are in this play...the are all in with Win10 thats why its free bro, they want...no NEED you to use Windows 10, so they can push sales with Apps, Media, and Cloud space.

Its because you never used Vista, 8, or 8.1 that you dont see it. Otherwise you would find it weird Windows 8 got rid of Windows Media Center, something 7 has for free. Why get rid of the Media Center even if you never used it ( if you didnt use it, you just wernt up on using your PC as a Media device for TV and you probley didnt have a TV Turner card) Anyways...why get rid of this? It actually sits idol untill you run first run it. so its not like it was taking up space or reasources on the computer...why get rid of it? No security issues, no platform issues...ok people dont use it, but the option is their, and Americans love options ...So why delete it?

Here is why....people will pay to use Media Apps now that its more the norm...lets make them by the Media platform to play/upload/stream their already purchased items. Its like buying Aladdin on Blueray when you already bought the VHS and DVD, and the 20th anniversary addition. Microsoft is betting on your ignorance to the real picture, so they obscure it from you.


Windows 10 is nothing but a gimmick to bring the Microsoft store to your desktop which you will view daily, and by doing so it increasing the probability you will save your credit card to their store so you can buy crap on the regular with gimmicks. Now lets back track....

Why will low PC sales hurt Windows 10 cause PC makers see the market gain with the Surface Tablet and said OK lets do that to......that's why many are jumping on the tablet market to adopt Android and Skin/theme the OS like Amazon Fire has done. So they can sell their BS, not Microsofts.

PC manufacturers and Microsoft with Windows OS used to be symbiotic. Cash Money has changed becoming more direct for manufactures site online order....3rd party sales and educated sellers to advise your purchase... those days are gone (see the decline in bestbuy). Even Intel is running campaigns getting scared of their dominance in the processor market....they recruited actors/media giants who act like Engineers or geeks in IT..but in reality probably don't know real sh*t about IT....(sheldon BBT)

You know what a decline in PC sales tells me? The reason a Windows 10 Icon popped up in the corner of my task bar....rise in Tablet/Hyrbid PC's sales
the consumer report says it wont account for this because its tablets/hybrids are not considered a "PC"

Why wont they account for it? Because then they will have to account for all the new variables.

The fall of PC sales would indefinitely mean the fall of Windows OS, which is why Microsoft wants this to be self inflicted to show the illusion that they want to innovate.....the first step to do this was migrating the OS to a store rather something to help with work productivity then introduce another product for work...why hello Office 365!
You think corporate America is gonna run Windows 10? Hell no....as a CEO I know your not wasting my money/time shopping and on Apps built in. Hence the rise in DataCenters and a Hybrid Cloud. I can block your web access to pandora, soundhound, facebook etc on my business sonicwall router, but how can I block your desktop especially if the store is built in to so many of the features? You cant without costing you a fortune in cloud desktop VMs for every employee....the idea isnt cost effecitve unless I am enterprise.

So to summarize a decline in PC' sales will hurt Windows 10 because its rise of the Android, Windows knows this, they are counting on it, they want a way to kill the old OS afterall OS's are stacks of builds from MS-Dos... Its the reason Microsoft is pushing Office 365 pharmaceutical companies do drugs...Microsoft needs something to look like a fix to 8.1 but in all actuality is just killing off the OS desktop idea to adopt Xbox One Hyper-V OS of PC gamers and Home users.... dumping the option for windows 10 to you is just a free trial a hotfix or quick route to have you try and ultimately purchase O365 for corporate users..

Welcome to the cloud...now shut up and give me your money! - LOL : P
Stay on Windows 7 bro...it will be working for a long time... consider it your new XP : )
Windows 10 is just a delusion of a desktop OS to get home users comfortable with the idea of using a cloud based Hyper-V OS like Xbox one uses now thats it.....
 

WangDangDoodle

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Why upgrade to Windows 10 from 7? (this isn't an attack Im curious on how your thinking as an end user, and to give you a different view and more insight to some PC history)

I have used them all, every windows OS, and have been on a Tandy running good ol ms-dos @ age 4, so I know all about Windows....and my job even required all of us use Technicians Preview on its release so we can get Microsoft Partnership deals for being testers of the OS. I straight up told Microsoft.... I haven't noticed anything "better" from a end user vantage point in regards to capabilities , usage or speed, I attribute that more to my SSD, and my Dedicated GPU...with Windows 10....if anything I find it more intrusive and cluttered. The every other OS rule is just a distorted way thinking (in my opinion, you need to unlearn what you have learned)Here is why...
People don't buy OS's, they buy new computers....Consumer reports validates this statement, they survey it.

I may get backlash saying this but I loved Vista, I truly saw NEW in terms of an OS
Vista was excellent it caught peoples attention 20mill in first month in sales just in licensing people thought they cloud do all this new stuff on their old PC...Vista was Microsoft first OS release that actually sold in huge numbers just as a stand alone product. Thats why people has so many issues with it...and what was that issue.really?
...WDDM issues...DirectX issues that's it expecting their old PC to do all these new things Vista Featured.

Video drivers that was it the root mainly desktop issues are huge for end users, everyone knows c+alt+del...Microsofts real error....they had never surveyed the market to learn, people don't buy Windows...they buy a PC so Vista sales was a shock to learn and see in OS sales.

Windows 7 is really just Vista with Crystal Aero (glass Aero). If you couldn't run Aero in Vista without crashing or bluescreens, it was pretty much was your indicator you hardware is dates and you need to go buy a new PC.

All the same time this is when the GPU's started to gain market ground, and PC games were growing in popularity. Hence why you see GPU makers now making computer devices.

A decline in PC sales WILL hurt Windows 10, because the only thing new about Windows 10 from 7 is ........wait for it.........the APP's Store...thats it....
Forget the new retro GUI, forget the start menu, forget Cortana (even the Siri fad died out quick)...Cortana will become as annoying as the old popup paperclip office assistant in my opinion (but I could be wrong here you never know)
but....whats new, really look, really ask...really test...
Whats really "new" to warrant buying this product or "upgrading"
NOTHING...thats why its FREE

The Windows App store.. is the only thing "new" (which brings 1 store to you because steam is spanking Microsoft right now, they want to spank back bring Xbox to PC, same sh*t different toliet...
but really...the store. nothing else thats it thats whats new....

Windows needs you to migrate their counting on it. All their stakes are in this play...the are all in with Win10 thats why its free bro, they want...no NEED you to use Windows 10, so they can push sales with Apps, Media, and Cloud space.

Its because you never used Vista, 8, or 8.1 that you dont see it. Otherwise you would find it weird Windows 8 got rid of Windows Media Center, something 7 has for free. Why get rid of the Media Center even if you never used it ( if you didnt use it, you just wernt up on using your PC as a Media device for TV and you probley didnt have a TV Turner card) Anyways...why get rid of this? It actually sits idol untill you run first run it. so its not like it was taking up space or reasources on the computer...why get rid of it? No security issues, no platform issues...ok people dont use it, but the option is their, and Americans love options ...So why delete it?

Here is why....people will pay to use Media Apps now that its more the norm...lets make them by the Media platform to play/upload/stream their already purchased items. Its like buying Aladdin on Blueray when you already bought the VHS and DVD, and the 20th anniversary addition. Microsoft is betting on your ignorance to the real picture, so they obscure it from you.


Windows 10 is nothing but a gimmick to bring the Microsoft store to your desktop which you will view daily, and by doing so it increasing the probability you will save your credit card to their store so you can buy crap on the regular with gimmicks. Now lets back track....

Why will low PC sales hurt Windows 10 cause PC makers see the market gain with the Surface Tablet and said OK lets do that to......that's why many are jumping on the tablet market to adopt Android and Skin/theme the OS like Amazon Fire has done. So they can sell their BS, not Microsofts.

PC manufacturers and Microsoft with Windows OS used to be symbiotic. Cash Money has changed becoming more direct for manufactures site online order....3rd party sales and educated sellers to advise your purchase... those days are gone (see the decline in bestbuy). Even Intel is running campaigns getting scared of their dominance in the processor market....they recruited actors/media giants who act like Engineers or geeks in IT..but in reality probably don't know real sh*t about IT....(sheldon BBT)

You know what a decline in PC sales tells me? The reason a Windows 10 Icon popped up in the corner of my task bar....rise in Tablet/Hyrbid PC's sales
the consumer report says it wont account for this because its tablets/hybrids are not considered a "PC"

Why wont they account for it? Because then they will have to account for all the new variables.

The fall of PC sales would indefinitely mean the fall of Windows OS, which is why Microsoft wants this to be self inflicted to show the illusion that they want to innovate.....the first step to do this was migrating the OS to a store rather something to help with work productivity then introduce another product for work...why hello Office 365!
You think corporate America is gonna run Windows 10? Hell no....as a CEO I know your not wasting my money/time shopping and on Apps built in. Hence the rise in DataCenters and a Hybrid Cloud. I can block your web access to pandora, soundhound, facebook etc on my business sonicwall router, but how can I block your desktop especially if the store is built in to so many of the features? You cant without costing you a fortune in cloud desktop VMs for every employee....the idea isnt cost effecitve unless I am enterprise.

So to summarize a decline in PC' sales will hurt Windows 10 because its rise of the Android, Windows knows this, they are counting on it, they want a way to kill the old OS afterall OS's are stacks of builds from MS-Dos... Its the reason Microsoft is pushing Office 365 pharmaceutical companies do drugs...Microsoft needs something to look like a fix to 8.1 but in all actuality is just killing off the OS desktop idea to adopt Xbox One Hyper-V OS of PC gamers and Home users.... dumping the option for windows 10 to you is just a free trial a hotfix or quick route to have you try and ultimately purchase O365 for corporate users..

Welcome to the cloud...now shut up and give me your money! - LOL : P
Stay on Windows 7 bro...it will be working for a long time... consider it your new XP : )
Windows 10 is just a delusion of a desktop OS to get home users comfortable with the idea of using a cloud based Hyper-V OS like Xbox one uses now thats it.....
The only reason to upgrade to Windows 10: DirectX 12

I'd keep running Windows 7 'til doomsday if Microsoft made DX12 available for it. They've got all the dirty, little tricks to make you upgrade, like not making a Win7 driver for the X-box One controller. I simply have to upgrade, because DX12 is the future of gaming.

I've still got a small candle burning for Valve's SteamOS and Mantle for Linux... but now that Microsoft has DX12 ready... I'm losing faith in it. It's gonna be too little, too late by the time Valve is ready. They had their window, and they blew it. The same goes for AMD's Mantle.
 
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Axle Grease

Posts: 146   +58
LOL! Funniest thing I've heard in years. Your PC is pretty much an obsolete pile of crap within 3-5 years. Much sooner (think 1-2 years) if you're a gamer.
People more often than not upgrade just the part that has the most impact on games rather than the whole PC. In six years I only replaced the GTX 295 in with a GTX 590 for BF3. However, I'm a glutton for highly detailed graphics, good FPS, and higher resolutions for the latest games which were getting a bit too much for my poor old i7-965 so I built a new PC. That 2009 PC is still nowhere near being an obsolete pile of crap.
 

amstech

Posts: 2,643   +1,801
Agree with the upgrade timetable, there is just no reason to buy a new machine until 4-6 years go by. Our first gen i3's at work (i3 540's I believe) in our X498G's are as fast as anything for basic computing, throw in a SSD and more RAM and call it a day.
 

jackal2687

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For the casual computer user, a tablet or phone may be all they need. Which would justify replacement/ additional purchases. But you can't expect a PC enthusiast to buy a new $5000+ PC every year. Myself, I use a 5 year cycle for my computers. Somewhere around the 2.5 year mark, I overclock my PC if necessary. This information should be obvious considering that many enthusiasts can't spend that kind of money, related to the economy and whatnot. Fix the jobs that pay decent and make them more plentiful, then perhaps you will see my geeks with money to burn. In the meantime, I am doing all I can at minimum wage, which mostly includes barely surviving.