People won't abandon Windows 7, OS still found on almost a quarter of all devices

Lionvibez

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Some of these comments...

I hope you are keeping these old unpatched machines off the internet. I'm doing IT security now to expand on my current skill set those machines would be fairly easy targets.
 

loki1944

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It's a concern and some of the comments here are equally concerning. Windows 7 is end of life. The longer you continue to use it, the more likely you are to be exploited via newly discovered, unpatched vulnerabilities. You will not be safe forever.

There are ways of making Windows 10 less intrusive and annoying. It's really not that bad. And obviously there are other desktop options that are also more secure than Windows 7.

Don't bury your head in the sand and ignore progress. Move on. Or airgap that Win 7 machine.
W10 screwed up 2 of my PCs; going back to W7 fixed the issue.
 

texasrattler

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I use Win 7. It looks good, works well, and does everything I need - why go to the sweat of upgrading (likely a misnomer). Bought a cheapo laptop with window 10 for travelling which was ok within its accepted limitations until windows did a big update which consumed more than the available memory and no undo facility which I can't get at anyway now because I can't stop it trying to update and crashing, or just not starting most of the time. What I've seen of Win 10 I don't like much either. If Microsoft had the courage of their convictions they'd keep both going but they know that for most people Win 7 works perfectly well and they'd be out of money
Sounds like you bought a cheap laptop but expected it work like a high end one. It dont nor has it ever worked that way.
Also any modern laptop under $500 will be Windows 10 S not 10. So that could be a issue if the model was bought within say the last year. MS changed how cheap laptops were designed in the Spring of 2019.
 

DaveBG

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Let's be real, these are mostly just old PCs owned by either schools, businesses or people who barely use a computer. The tin foil hat people are a negligible portion of this.
Nope. I got a few new PC this year, ALL of them are now on 7. Windows 10 was deleted in the first week of ownership. Also my friends ask me to do the same on their PC. In my area no one uses windows 10 except for joking how bad software can be.
 
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yeeeeman

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Same story was with Windows XP...
In time it will go down, but given windows 10 looks more like an afterthought compared to 7 which actually looks like a professionally done product, it will take a looong time.
 
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jpuroila

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If MS has trained monkeys, what does that make you since you didnt bother to do any research? Next time do some research instead of just updating. To many ppl like you who leap but never look. Then think they have the right to complain, you dont.
You're absolutely right, no-one who has done their research would willingly touch Windows 10 with a ten-foot pole.
 
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Let's be real, these are mostly just old PCs owned by either schools, businesses or people who barely use a computer. The tin foil hat people are a negligible portion of this.
You really believe that?? You ever think that Windows 7 is generally more stable than Win10?

I stuck with Windows 7 because of its ease of use and the fact that it isn't a processor pig like 10. Also software that I run no longer functions on 10, this came about after an update was rolled out early last year.

The other mentality is that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Microsoft went from ain't broke to catastrophe
 
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lazer

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My PC of the last 6 years just died and I was forced to move to Windows 10 to support the new hardware.

I had been loath to upgrade my PC for years b/c I despise Win10, but when my motherboard died, I had to use a 12 year old backup PC that I put Win10 on it years ago just to spend some time with it.

So for the past month, I was using Win10 and found it almost tolerable. I took the drives out of my dead PC so I'd have access to my files, and was able to configure it to my liking. So I figured it was probably "safe" to make the move for good.

WRONG!

I downloaded the latest 64bit Win10 Pro iso from Microsoft and installed it.

The first sign I was in for trouble was when Windows would not install to my M.2 drive b/c it wasn't in "GCP" format. I had to search online to figure out how to convert the M.2 to the proper format from the CLI in the Win10 installer's "Troubleshooter".

Next, during setup, Windows now demanded I use a PIN for my login (or biometrics or a USB key.) You can't choose to use an alphanumeric password until AFTER Windows has finished setting up (and THAT requires changing a default setting.)

MS suddenly decided to strip out a lot of legacy support, so I could not reinstall "Windows Media Center" (which I still use) without a patch. But even with the patch, it still refuses to display LiveTV (despite going thru the full setup w/o error) and does not output audio.

EVERY old folder on my old drives (that contain an exe?) denies me access, so I must use a utility I found called "TakeOwnershipEx" every time it tells me I can't access my own folder (and even after doing so, you must STILL manually open the folder from Explorer to gain permission.) And YES, I did go though the Permissions options to give every user Full access to everything. Made no difference.

Window positions are not remembered and the Control Panel refuses to stay in "small icon" mode.

"Scheduled Tasks" can no longer display messages (new to Win10 but not this particular release). You must use the new "To Do" app to display scheduled messages (there is a "workaround" to display messages from the Task Scheduler using "msg /W * Your_message", but you can't use spaces and the alert auto-closes after 60 seconds.)

I don't know what MS's trained monkey's are doing over there, but they need to stop.
MS expertise is in sales, not in tech. Look at the difference between Apple and Android vrs MS and you can see what good tech companies are like and what a sloppy mess MS is and yet keeps money coming in.
 
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Some of these comments...

I hope you are keeping these old unpatched machines off the internet. I'm doing IT security now to expand on my current skill set those machines would be fairly easy targets.
Hahaha, if you're doing "IT security", you'll quickly learn that operating systems have very little do with corporate security. Come back when you have some 10 or 15 years experience in the industry and we can have a real big boy conversation
 

Mister_K

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Refusal to adapt and change on a system that has been out for years is a bit backwards for folks that are into tech. Yeh well done, you're on XP you are so different.

Windows 10 is miles better than previous versions. To those worried about privacy, what on earth are you doing in Windows ecosystem then? "Privacy" LOL... cmon.
 

Markoni35

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Windows 10 is a sick OS (although not as sick as Windows 8). It's illness is called "multiple personality disorder". When you try to squeeze two completely different operating systems (one for tablet, one for PC) into a single one, you run into a lot of problems.

For example, System Settings. You have tons of settings windows, some are old style, some are new style. You never actually know which one to open.

Another example: Uninstalling apps. There are two uninstall windows. One for Metro apps, one for normal old-fashion apps. Chances are 90% that you're gonna open the wrong one when trying to uninstall your app.

Another example: The other day a friend of mine clicked in the bottom-right corner to see those system messages that appeared. And then he accidentally clicked the "Tablet mode" icon. Then he called me and told me his computer looks weird. I didn't know about the tablet mode button. Never used it before. Took me some time to figure out what happened.

Windows 7 not only looks better (same as Office 2007 looked better than Office 2013), but users are protected from such stupid traps. Why would they put such a sensitive function in a such an accessible place? To confuse the users? Didn't the experiment with Windows 8 teach them something?
 
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Lionvibez

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Are you taking pride in using Windows 10 over Windows 7?
My point is don't use unpatched Operating systems on the internet its not secure
Hahaha, if you're doing "IT security", you'll quickly learn that operating systems have very little do with corporate security. Come back when you have some 10 or 15 years experience in the industry and we can have a real big boy conversation

lol this guy is using the computer at his home. Who said anything about corporate security. Where he is not going to have a enterprise level firewall.

And no place I've ever worked allows unpatched machines to just be sitting on a corporate network accessible to the outside internet unless they don't care about security.

Nice try though boss.

And ya I'll come back to this topic in 10-15 years.

Get out of here with that nonsense.
 
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Bullwinkle M

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For those on win10 who don't want to tell MS about everything you are doing on your PC I suggest using shutup10 - good little program (https://www.techspot.com/downloads/7005-oo-shutup.html)
Why should I listen to you when you claim to be a fool
(It says so in your name)

If I were to call you a fool, my post would be censored for making a hurtful statement

My posts were deleted yesterday for calling people Noobs

I'd like to tell the truth and call them either "Incompetent" or "Liars", but my posts would be deleted just the same

Shutup10 will not protect anyone from a backdoored operating system such as Spyware Platform 10

This is a fact!

and when some of the other pseudo experts (above) tell me that my copy of XP already has malware, and/or cannot be made secure, they are making claims without any evidence

That makes them either Incompetent, or Liars
This is a factual statement!

But, being the politically correct "Security Expert" that I am, I chose the word Noob instead so as not to offend them, and yet still my posts were deleted


Tsk Tsk
 

Lionvibez

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Why should I listen to you when you claim to be a fool
(It says so in your name)

If I were to call you a fool, my post would be censored for making a hurtful statement

My posts were deleted yesterday for calling people Noobs

I'd like to tell the truth and call them either "Incompetent" or "Liars", but my posts would be deleted just the same

Shutup10 will not protect anyone from a backdoored operating system such as Spyware Platform 10

This is a fact!

and when some of the other pseudo experts (above) tell me that my copy of XP already has malware, and/or cannot be made secure, they are making claims without any evidence

That makes them either Incompetent, or Liars
This is a factual statement!

But, being the politically correct "Security Expert" that I am, I chose the word Noob instead so as not to offend them, and yet still my posts were deleted


Tsk Tsk
You should be able to make your statements without resorting to naming calling. Doing so would probably not get the post deleted.
 

Bullwinkle M

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You should be able to make your statements without resorting to naming calling. Doing so would probably not get the post deleted.
and how can I tell you how wrong or incompetent you are without it sounding like name calling?

I'm simply stating facts, supported by over a decade of testing "ONLINE" without any Microsoft security updates in Windows XP-SP2!