Future robotaxis may not need brake pedals under new proposal

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In brief: The brake pedal could become optional in some future autonomous vehicles. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has proposed changes to federal safety rules covering fully self-driving vehicles. Under the plan, vehicles built without manual driving controls could be certified without foot-operated service brakes or manually operated parking brakes.

The change targets purpose-built robotaxis rather than ordinary cars with driver-assistance systems.

Vehicles that still include steering wheels, pedals, or other manual controls would remain subject to the existing requirements. So would consumer cars featuring systems such as Tesla Autopilot, Full Self-Driving, or Ford BlueCruise – your next car is not suddenly going to arrive with an empty footwell and a reminder to trust the system.

Today, companies that want to deploy vehicles missing required manual controls generally have to seek exemptions, which are capped at 2,500 vehicles per manufacturer per year. NHTSA has spent years reviewing some of those petitions, making the proposed rule a potentially important shortcut for purpose-built robotaxi fleets.

NHTSA says Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 135 was written around vehicles designed for human drivers, making some of its language awkward or impossible to apply to automated driving systems (ADS).

The agency argues that a vehicle built to be operated only by an ADS does not need a brake pedal for an occupant to use because that occupant is not supposed to be driving.

Existing stopping-distance and braking-performance requirements would remain in place, and NHTSA says the rule would update how those vehicles are tested. The agency is also working on separate safety performance tests for ADS-equipped vehicles.

A brake pedal in a driverless pod could give passengers the illusion that they can control the vehicle, or allow someone to interfere with the system accidentally or deliberately.

NHTSA says passengers should have a way to tell the car to stop, but it is not proposing to mandate a single physical control or interface.

The rule would be a boost for companies trying to build vehicles around autonomy. Amazon's Zoox has long pursued a boxy, steering-wheel-free robotaxi, while Tesla's Cybercab concept also lacks traditional controls. GM's Cruise Origin was meant to follow the same path before the company shelved the program, citing cost and regulatory uncertainty.

Robotaxis still have plenty to prove. Waymo recently recalled nearly 3,900 robotaxis after vehicles entered freeway construction zones, while Tesla's autonomous systems have drawn scrutiny over crashes, remote support, and how much is truly hands-off.

For now, allowing autonomous cars to drop the brake pedal is only a proposal. Public comments are open until July 27, and NHTSA says it can still use defect-enforcement powers if an ADS behaves unsafely.

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I thought EVs came to a grinding halt once you take your foot off the accelerator anyway. (Thats just one more reason I won’t ever buy one…cars are supposed to coast.)
 
I thought EVs came to a grinding halt once you take your foot off the accelerator anyway. (Thats just one more reason I won’t ever buy one…cars are supposed to coast.)
It depends on the vehicle and what setting you use. For some EVs, you can set it up to coast and only activate regenerative braking when pressing the brake pedal. But for most EVs, letting off the accelerator will activate regenerative braking by default and gradually slow you down, similar to normal braking behavior (or maybe a little less than normal braking). However they still do not apply the physical brakes unless you press on the brake pedal itself.
 
They act no differently than ICE vehicles.
Normally EVs do act differently than ICEs when you let off the accelerator pedal. They don't "come to a grinding halt" as wiyosaya said (I picture a car slamming on friction brakes from that statement), but they do decelerate more quickly than ICE cars.

EVs have regenerative braking begin, using the electric motors to recoup energy. That feature will slow the car down much more than an ICE engine that just moves to idling while moving.

Side note though - many EVs have a SW configuration to reduce or eliminate regenerative braking, and then EVs do behave very similar. I don't know of anyone in my personal life that disables it though. Regen braking is a massive advantage to EVs, particularly in stop and go driving scenarios.
 
This might affect gangsters who take squealers for a ride. Just stuff them in the back seat, & tell it to drive off the dock & in to the sea or off the cliff. No need to even put a brick on the gas pedal.

Might need to make a few adjustments so these robotaxis will actually do that.
 
NicktheWVAHick is referring to "1-Pedal Driving mode." I have it on my F-150 Lightning, but it's optional. I did not like it. Parking opposite to another car was difficult to judge the speed you need to be at for it to come to a stop where you want it to stop. Stop lights had the same issue. If you go too fast in, it will miss the stopping point. I left the feature on for a week until I just got too frustrated with those two issues. It's is off forever now.
 
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