Petitions demanding Jeff Bezos not be allowed back to Earth gain almost 100,000 signatures

Bobbydpue

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I was very alarmed to read news stories about COVID-19 spreading in Amazon warehouses. And I wasn't happy to read about how Wal-Mart employees in the U.S. didn't have an employee health plan, although, now, thanks to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), that's no longer an issue. Amazon and Wal-Mart are very successful, though.
So does the fault lie with American consumers, and their unreasonable demands for low prices?
I don't think we should blame American consumers for following the laws of economics. They know that choosing more expensive suppliers than Wal-Mart isn't going to make much of a difference except to their own wallets.
The fault lies squarely with a lack of Federal regulation safeguarding employees in the workplace. With Trump's Republicans no longer running the country, that can be fixed. Well, maybe.
In the same post your praised politicians for the ACA and then blamed Republicans for the lack of
employee protection laws while not bothering to look up any objective data about these warehouse jobs or laws already in place to protect workers. You were surprised by Covid-19 spreading in warehouses while at the same time ignoring how quickly Covid-19 spread outside of work places, too.
Lets have a quick discussion on the ACA:
The ACA didn't suddenly give Walmart workers healthcare or anyone else healthcare. The ACA was enacted 11 years ago. Your post made it sound like you just discovered it. What the ACA should have done was reduce the cost of healthcare and made healthcare affordable you know since the act was called the Affordable Care Act. The only way to make healthcare more affordable is to reduce the profits the healthcare industry makes and neither the Democrat's or Republican's plans reduce healthcare industry profits. The healthcare industry has lobbyist that pump money into politics which directly affects policy.
ACA increased federal spending on healthcare by changing the name and expanding Medicare. Before the Act passed the media talked about it using buzz words and phrases like: "the evils of socialism" or " It's amazing people with pre-existing conditions can now get health insurance", but specific sections of the law were never presented and debated by neutral parties it was always one side or the other talking about how terrible it was while not providing any solutions or how amazing it was without actually providing any evidence it would reduce the cost of healthcare.
Insurance companies weren't allowed to raise rates for those with previous health conditions or people who were older, but the actual effective date of each phase allowed the healthcare industry to gradually raise rates leading up the phase-in dates hiding the increased cost of the ACA. Politicians get to look like they are doing something for the people without ever putting their hands in their own pockets. They are pumping your tax payer dollars into the healthcare industry rather than losing money from lobbyist and actually making healthcare affordable.
Let's get back to Amazon:
Below is Amazon's employment portal where they are advertise $1000 sign on bonuses for jobs they describe as a "Fast-paced, physical role" with pay starting at $15/hour up to $20/hour. Are there any easy jobs with little to no experience and very little if any education requirements that give people a sign-on bonus and pay between $15 - $20 an hour?
https://www.amazondelivers.jobs/about/warehouse-jobs
Also below is their public policy to reduce the spread of Covid-19
https://www.amazondelivers.jobs/covid-19-updates/
 

Geralt

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That is an opinion and one blind to the needs of government to provide necessary services to the general public.
We need the government, FOR NOW, only for security and justice. The rest it can be private. Besides, with the development of technology, in the future we won't need any government taking care of us.
 

Bobbydpue

Posts: 167   +104
There is a large account of employees confirming having lost their job over a bathroom break. That kind of does it.
You still don't seem to understand the concept of "slavery". Being fired from a job has nothing to do with slavery. What is a "large account of employees"? And what is the objective evidence to support your claim? The media makes less money from reporting data and letting the reader decide what their opinion is than outrage and drama.
 

Bobbydpue

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I think most people have no issue with others being successful but when those that become very rich start to do things like paying no tax while being the richest person in the world I think hate towards them is more than understandable, every month 20%+ of my wage gets taken away and I have no problem with it BUT only if we all pay that 20%

If tax laws allow the rich to avoid taxes why are angry at them and not the people who wrote the rules?
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 6,094   +4,324
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Here's Mr Bezos,rather obviously suffering from, "paranoid delusions of Chuck Yeagerhood". :rolleyes:

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Notice how Bezos got the photographer tr shoot from a low angle to make him look more important
Not only that, it makes the rocket look bigger, too. :laughing:
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 6,094   +4,324
I did drywall & Taping try sitting in traffic from Seymour to Westport, CT even I had to piss in a bottle.

Traffic and or weak bladder isn't Amazon's fault.
Are you expecting sympathy when you are encouraging everyone who does not like the conditions to quit and find another job?

Or are you just insisting that democrats are the cause of all your problems? Does that then mean that the conditions are hopeless and we should just all give up? Because that is what those who pay low wages would like you to believe - you are just another brick in the wall that can be replaced by another brick at any time. Either that, or love being a brick and being treated like a brick.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 6,094   +4,324
I guess you were clearly and conveniently napping those 4 years under that Orange Dump *****.

He a had a vocabulary and speech pattern that an 8 year old would be ashamed of!! and, don't forget his "intelligent" nuggets of wisdom such as to drink / inject bleach to cure COVID...the epitome of humanoid intelligence!!
Wow! That's generous. Do you think the US will see his and/or the republican party's health care plan anytime soon?? 🤣 🤣 🤣
 

Thretosix

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You seem to have forgotten who writes tax policy and affect politics: rich people. You think Jeff's CPA broke the law or do you think the CPA followed tax laws written by rich people for rich people? Stop pointing your finger at the billionaire who, probably, followed tax laws to the letter and was able to avoid paying taxes and start being angry at the people who wrote the tax laws instead.
That's not my point, I never said it was illegal. What I'm saying is that the current system is broken. A flat tax with no breaks or loopholes would make everyone pay the same tax rate. It's about everyone paying their fair share. It's not Bezos' fault, but he knows he's gaming the system. He even took a child tax credit of $4000 in 2011 when he had a wealth of over 18 Billion. He's not contributing but seems fine with taking from the pot. His trucks are all over the road but he's not paying to help repair them. I think he's just moral and ethical garbage as a person.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 6,094   +4,324
We need the government, FOR NOW, only for security and justice. The rest it can be private. Besides, with the development of technology, in the future we won't need any government taking care of us.
That is a great dream; however, I do not think that humanity is at a point where "we can all just get along". I hate to be a pessimist, but I think that time is a long way off, and there is a significant amount of change that will need to happen before there is even the possibility of that vision coming to fruition.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 6,094   +4,324
Finally it's not as if Jeff himself is a floor supervisor at any of these warehouses.
And, IMO, there lies the problem. Bezos has no clue what it is like to work for him. He has a narrow view from the top. And being at the top, though, he is perhaps the only one in the company that is able to truly make a difference.
 

Bobbydpue

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I think the issue is that people may not know Bezos personally, but they do know the issues with how his Amazon employees are treated for example, or how he dodges income taxes. They also know that his rocket company Blue Origin received billions of subsidies from the government. So it's not like he's financing this little space trip out of his own pocket. Also, from the way he presents it, the only reason for this trip is for his own personal satisfaction.

How are these people being treated? How do you know? I certainly don't know, but coming from the food industry there doesn't seem to be much difference and it sounds to me people are complaining about how much they don't like the work rather than issues specifically with JB. JB is so far removed from the employees working at these where houses he likely doesn't know a single warehouse worker's name. That's doesn't mean he's not responsible for the wellbeing of Amazon employees, but that doesn't mean he's specifically at fault for the conditions at every single warehouse. That being said warehouse work isn't something I'd ever want to do it's tough work that involves doing manual labour all day with a break for lunch and two 15 minute breaks only.

What does income taxes have to do with anything? Is JB being investigated for tax fraud or is the media creating misplaced outrage over someone, probably, following US Tax laws written by rich people for super rich people

Here is the headline for an article about $10b going to JB:
"SENATE PREPARING $10 BILLION BAILOUT FUND FOR JEFF BEZOS SPACE FIRM"
But the article says: The order would come through the Endless Frontier Act, a bill to beef up resources for science and technology research that’s being debated on the Senate floor this week. An amendment was added to that legislation by Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., to hand over $10 billion to NASA..." Where is the bailout? This article is based on speculation.

I found the document: https://spacepolicyonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Senate-NASA-auth-amendment-May-12-2021.pdf

And this is the section the media is calling a bailout:

"PART II—HUMAN SPACEFLIGHT AND
2 EXPLORATION
3 SEC. 614. COMPETITIVENESS WITHIN THE HUMAN LANDING
4 SYSTEM PROGRAM.
5 (a) SENSE OF CONGRESS.—It is the sense of Con
6 gress that—
7 (1) advances in space technology and space ex
8 ploration capabilities ensure the long-term techno
9 logical preeminence, economic competitiveness,
10 STEM workforce development, and national security
11 of the United States;
12 (2) the development of technologies that enable
13 human exploration of the lunar surface and other ce
14 lestial bodies is critical to the space industrial base
15 of the United States;
16 (3) commercial entities in the United States
17 have made significant investment and progress to
18 ward the development of human-class lunar landers;
19 (4) NASA developed the Artemis program—
20 (A) to fulfill the goal of landing United
21 States astronauts, including the first woman
22 and the next man, on the Moon; and
23 (B) to collaborate with commercial and
24 international partners to establish sustainable
25 lunar exploration by 2028;15MCC21473 RPP S.L.C.
1 (5) in carrying out the Artemis program, the
2 Administrator should ensure that the entire Artemis
3 program is inclusive and representative of all people
4 of the United States, including women and minori
5 ties; and
6 (6) maintaining multiple technically-credible
7 providers within NASA commercial programs is a
8 best practice that reduces programmatic risk.
9 (b) STATEMENT OF POLICY.—It shall be the policy
10 of the United States—
11 (1) to bolster the domestic space technology in
12 dustrial base, using existing tools and authorities,
13 particularly in areas central to competition between
14 the United States and the People’s Republic of
15 China; and
16 (2) to mitigate threats and minimize challenges
17 to the superiority of the United States in space tech
18 nology, including lunar infrastructure and lander ca
19 pabilities.
20 (c) HUMAN LANDING SYSTEM PROGRAM.—
21 (1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 30 days after
22 the date of the enactment of this Act, the Adminis
23 trator shall maintain competitiveness within the
24 human landing system program by funding design,
16 MCC21473 RPP S.L.C.
1 development, testing, and evaluation for not fewer
2 than 2 entities
3 (2) REQUIREMENTS.—In carrying out the
4 human landing system program referred to in para
5 graph (1), the Administrator shall, to the extent
6 practicable—
7 (A) encourage reusability and sustain
8 ability of systems developed;
9 (B) offer existing capabilities and assets of
10 NASA centers to support such partnerships;
11 and
12 (C) seek to foster a robust and diverse
13 space technology industrial base.
14 (3) BRIEFING.—Not later than 60 days after
15 the date of the enactment of this Act, the Adminis
16 trator shall provide to the appropriate committees of
17 Congress a briefing on the implementation of para
18 graph (1).
19 (4) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—In
20 addition to amounts otherwise appropriated for the
21 Artemis program, for fiscal years 2021 through
22 2026, there is authorized to be appropriated not less
23 than $10,032,000,000 to NASA to carry out the
24 human landing system program.
 

Markoni35

Posts: 1,118   +454
I don't understand all this hate for a person none of these people know. I'm not going to dislike someone just because the media told me to dislike them.

I bet you dislike Putin, because the media told you to.
And you think people who don't wanna vaccinate are bad, because the media told you so.
You probably don't like Julian Assange either, because the media claim he's a rapist. Right?
 

Bobbydpue

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And, IMO, there lies the problem. Bezos has no clue what it is like to work for him. He has a narrow view from the top. And being at the top, though, he is perhaps the only one in the company that is able to truly make a difference.
There lies the problem? Do you expect Jeff Bezos to know exactly what every one of his 800,000+ employees are doing every minute of every day? How would you know what the actual situation is? There is management at many levels between the worker bees and the CEO of Amazon. Is working conditions at Amazon warehouses a legitimate problem, is it an issue with warehouse work in general, or someone creating outrage where there really isn't any? It's a warehouse job not knowledge management or a business analyst job. It's going to be a tough job there is just no way around that.

Unfortunately both former employees and amazon often times have opposing views of what conditions are like at warehouses and it's difficult to form an opinion from two people with something to gain and lose. From my time in the Military two people on the same deployment who go through the same events and do the same work can have two totally different experiences. One person can hate every moment of being hot and tired while the other might have enjoying being outside all the time.
 

Bobbydpue

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I bet you dislike Putin, because the media told you to.
And you think people who don't wanna vaccinate are bad, because the media told you so.
You probably don't like Julian Assange either, because the media claim he's a rapist. Right?

It's as if you didn't read what you quoted. Let me retype it for you: "I'm not going to dislike someone just because the media told me to dislike them."

I don't know any of those people and none of them have directly affected my life or the lives of anyone I know, however, people who argue points that weren't made do annoy me.

 

captaincranky

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There lies the problem? Do you expect Jeff Bezos to know exactly what every one of his 800,000+ employees are doing every minute of every day? How would you know what the actual situation is? There is management at many levels between the worker bees and the CEO of Amazon. Is working conditions at Amazon warehouses a legitimate problem, is it an issue with warehouse work in general, or someone creating outrage where there really isn't any? It's a warehouse job not knowledge management or a business analyst job. It's going to be a tough job there is just no way around that.

Unfortunately both former employees and amazon often times have opposing views of what conditions are like at warehouses and it's difficult to form an opinion from two people with something to gain and lose. From my time in the Military two people on the same deployment who go through the same events and do the same work can have two totally different experiences. One person can hate every moment of being hot and tired while the other might have enjoying being outside all the time.
Yes, guess it would be quite an imposition to suggest that the might Jeff Bezos get off his f**king a** , and go check even one warehouse for himself.
 

wiyosaya

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There lies the problem? Do you expect Jeff Bezos to know exactly what every one of his 800,000+ employees are doing every minute of every day?
:facepalm: How about he goes into a warehouse and works under the conditions that his employees have to follow? Or is that too difficult to comprehend?

Obviously, he has no clue what the actual conditions are.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 16,960   +5,718
:facepalm: How about he goes into a warehouse and works under the conditions that his employees have to follow? Or is that too difficult to comprehend?

Obviously, he has no clue what the actual conditions are.
Amigo, you know "The price and the Pauper" was naught but a children's story, right?

Actually, they did a story about Amazon's use of robots. I think it is, or was, going to be on, "60 Minutes Overtime", (?), The robots Amazon showed, all had front and side traffic braking. They had the news crew walking in front of them, and they worked perfectly, and obviously safely.

Do I know if this is the "whole story," obviously not.

Am I suspicious of worker's compensation lawsuits? You betcha. But I do think the truth lies somewhere between the two extremes of opinion. That's just "good old human nature" at play.
 
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wiyosaya

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Wow, did appointing her ever backfire on Humpty Trumpdy
Not unless you count her being among the justices who rebuffed Humpty Trumpdy's BS claim of election fraud. 🤣
TBH, if they just sent Mitch McConnell on a one way trip beyond the atmosphere, (remember, he couldn't run his mouth there), and then repaired the Kentucky educational system, (it's about 46th in the nation), "What a Wonderful World this Would Be".
That would be the best place for McConnell. 🤣