Pre-built PC seller 'Fierce' is offering a new line of affordable 'No GPU' gaming systems

Danny101

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Well, IMO these systems are bullsh!t. They're throwing together parts which are easily sourced, then expecring the purchaser to have better luck finding a video card than they had. Video cards are made of "unobtainium". I've seen shortages before, but never, ever on the scale of this one. The heaviest cards Newegg has in stock right now, are GT-710s, and possibly a stray GT-730..

So, instead of having to go out of business altogether, they opt for what could only be categorized as a "desperation maneuver".

You know, "Moore;s Law", is nothing more than a coinage based entirely on popular mythology.

As processes narrow, manufacturing difficulty squares faster than transistor count.. If Mr. Moore wasn't merely pulling cliches out of his a**, Intel would be on a 5 nm process by now.
Like I said. The physics at this point is seemingly reaching it's zenith with silly con. Unless they move to faster material, things aren't getting much faster as far as raw speed unless programmers can pull parallel processing out of their asses.. 5nm, 3nm, 2nm even the flowing electrons can't find space to move. Single core gaming speed is old hat. Time to rev up speed through multi-core processing.
 

texasrattler

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Intel isn't on 5nm because that didn't need to be. Why make something new when you can sell the same crap over and over and call it new. Nice shiny new box. Course it didn't help that AMD was no competition for 2 decades. Even now, Intel 14nm has held up against AMDs best. While AMD is now good, Intel is still the KING of processors and gaming. Lets not forget that you can actually buy Intel procs, AMD, not so much.
 
To give Fierce PC some credence, they do state the need for a graphics card a couple of times:

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That's the main page; here's the page for the individual model:

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However, the warnings disappear after that. Once you're down the purchasing chain, you're on your own!

I agree with you! But, despite that blatant information, there will be people of all ages saying "what's a GPU? Never mind that bit as it's a computer right? Let's see where I pay..."

Further case in point: I recently listed a Pc with video card on ebay and the make and model was in the auction title. It was also in the description! It was also shown using techgpu on the auction pictures, and further stated in 'item specifics'... that's 4 places right??

This buyer then emails me asking "what card does it have?" So I tell him...he puts in an offer on the pc and knocks me for a 20% discount. After accepting his offer he then cancels the order fortunately before I shipped!

Imagine getting him as a buyer for a fierce 'not immediately usable' pc??

I rest my case and I say...just don't offer something that doesn't work 'out the box' in the first place if you want to maintain your sanity! Sell the parts individually. 🤔
 

neeyik

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I agree with you! But, despite that blatant information, there will be people of all ages saying "what's a GPU? Never mind that bit as it's a computer right? Let's see where I pay..."
Indeed there will! And to be critical of Fierce PC, they could have easily mitigated this problem by not using F versions of the i3 and i5 processors - that way, all three models being sold would be able to boot, display the OS, even play some very basic games. In other words, they'd actually be usable.

In some way, I get what Fierce PC are trying to do here: they're offering an almost-full system upgrade for those people who've got an old PC, with the idea being that you could transplant the graphics card from that machine into the new one. Thing is, if that old PC has something like a GeForce GT 710, throwing a new system around isn't going to make it any better.

Interesting, the page for the 'No GPU' range has gone:

 
Indeed there will! And to be critical of Fierce PC, they could have easily mitigated this problem by not using F versions of the i3 and i5 processors - that way, all three models being sold would be able to boot, display the OS, even play some very basic games. In other words, they'd actually be usable.

In some way, I get what Fierce PC are trying to do here: they're offering an almost-full system upgrade for those people who've got an old PC, with the idea being that you could transplant the graphics card from that machine into the new one. Thing is, if that old PC has something like a GeForce GT 710, throwing a new system around isn't going to make it any better.

Interesting, the page for the 'No GPU' range has gone:


See, a little criticism from me and aspects of this world can change in minutes...just planting seeds guys! Lol